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Billyionaire
05/14/23 10:14:47 AM
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sorry I'm not really a card game person. All it does is draw 2 cards which doesn't seem all that special?

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Damn_Underscore
05/14/23 10:17:35 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqvfdl_1xik

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tremain07
05/14/23 10:19:20 AM
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Yu-gi-oh! Is a game where card advantage is everything, a free Plus 2 card like Pot of Greed could mean the difference between winning and losing a match, it's an amazing top deck card too, this card will never ever return to the game legally because such an advantage was broken, especially in the modern game where your graveyard is your second deck and damn near anything searches anything, just the mere thought of Pot of Greed returning in full even at 1 would cause it's prices to jump into the quadruple digits it's THAT powerful of a card, another card like it, Graceful Charity could be argued to be even stronger than that as it lets you draw Three cards and discard 2, again in the current era where your graveyard is your second deck that discard 2 clause is not a cost, it's another way to gain an advantage and like Pot of Greed there are cards that can search Graceful Charity out from the deck, too.

Even with all I just said is nowhere near enough to truly understand how utterly broken those two cards are. They will NEVER return EVER!

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Billyionaire
05/14/23 10:20:37 AM
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Damn_Underscore posted...

I guess I don't really know enough about Yugioh because I have no idea what was going on there

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Priere
05/14/23 10:20:58 AM
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Is it ever explained in the show what the card does?

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masticatingman
05/14/23 10:22:53 AM
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At least way back in the day, it was even a problem with people trying to make Exodia.

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Choco
05/14/23 10:22:58 AM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqvfdl_1xik
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tremain07
05/14/23 10:24:48 AM
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Billyionaire posted...
I guess I don't really know enough about Yugioh because I have no idea what was going on there
The player used Pot of Greed, to draw 2 cards, then used Graceful Charity to draw 3 more cards and discard 2 cards, then used Pot of Duality to look at the next 3 cards in his deck, add one to his hand and scuffle the rest back into the deck, as a result he managed to draw all of the 5 pieces of Exodia and win the game. Exodia, once all 5 pieces are in your hand you automatically win the duel, there's absolutely nothing to stop this, as such cards like the ones mentioned makes fighting an Exodia player borderline impossible if you don't have a way to immediately stop them.

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Billyionaire
05/14/23 10:25:22 AM
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tremain07 posted...
Yu-gi-oh! Is a game where card advantage is everything, a free Plus 2 card like Pot of Greed could mean the difference between winning and losing a match, it's an amazing top deck card too, this card will never ever return to the game legally because such an advantage was broken, especially in the modern game where your graveyard is your second deck and damn near anything searches anything, just the mere thought of Pot of Greed returning in full even at 1 would cause it's prices to jump into the quadruple digits it's THAT powerful of a card, another card like it, Graceful Charity could be argued to be even stronger than that as it lets you draw Three cards and discard 2, again in the current era where your graveyard is your second deck that discard 2 clause is not a cost, it's another way to gain an advantage and like Pot of Greed there are cards that can search Graceful Charity out from the deck, too.

Even with all I just said is nowhere near enough to truly understand how utterly broken those two cards are. They will NEVER return EVER!
oh. I guess that makes sense

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Ricemills
05/14/23 10:25:58 AM
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  1. Free extra card without any drawbacks
  2. Excellent filler card so you can draw the cards that you want faster.

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tremain07
05/14/23 10:28:05 AM
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It really goes to show you that even through the monsters and effects of today are very strong there's still some broken bullshit from the days of Yugi himself that are so ridiculously strong in order to have a fair game those cards have to stay banned. Hell the game has gotten so complicated now that children no longer play it, instead they play Rush Duel a much more simpler format where nobody has to worry about omin negates and things like ritual summoning, synchro summoning, xyz summoning, pendulum summoning and link summoning. All they have are fusion summoning and for a few maximum summoning.

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Billyionaire
05/14/23 10:29:35 AM
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tremain07 posted...
instead they play Rush Duel a much more simpler format

should I play that if i want to play yugioh without getting crushed by people who know what they're doing.

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tremain07
05/14/23 10:44:01 AM
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Billyionaire posted...
should I play that if i want to play yugioh without getting crushed by people who know what they're doing.
You'll still get crushed but you'll have more of a fighting chance in rush duel format than master duel format as that's the nature of ygo. I recommend downloading the free YGO game app to learn how to play both formats to get a feel of what you can and can't do between either one. I'd post a link but I think that's frowned upon here

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kirbymuncher
05/14/23 10:49:52 AM
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I think the easiest way to see it is the lack of downside or condition. It means there's basically no reason to not play it. When you draw it, you get to play it and immediately exchange it for a replacement card + an extra card. It's like using a genie to wish for extra wishse

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Ricemills
05/14/23 10:55:03 AM
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Instant lost by disqualification.

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YoungMutual
05/14/23 10:58:28 AM
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There's a same card limit per deck, or at least there was back in my day

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Solar_Crimson
05/14/23 10:59:44 AM
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Then you'd have no monsters to play and instantly lose the duel.

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Billyionaire
05/14/23 11:04:55 AM
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tremain07 posted...
You'll still get crushed but you'll have more of a fighting chance in rush duel format than master duel format as that's the nature of ygo.
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Tsukasa1891
05/14/23 11:07:11 AM
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You would either be disqualified for using a banned card or for having more then the limit of 3 of the same card, or you loose because you have no way to reduce your opponents life points to 0 and no way to stop them from draining yours to 0, or you just keep drawing cards until you have no cards to draw left and lose by default.

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Touch
05/14/23 11:18:00 AM
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Funny thing is, I seem to remember reading recently that in a no bans format, Tears didn't even use Pot of Greed and it was the best deck. Didn't really go digging too deep to confirm if this was true but yeah

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Garioshi
05/14/23 11:22:30 AM
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"Card advantage" refers to the number of cards you have in play and in your hand. Unlike other TCGs like Magic or Pokemon, where you have to pay resources to play your powerful cards, as long as you meet the condition written on a Yugioh card, you can play it. More card advantage directly translates to a more advantageous position with more things to do, unlike Magic, where your hand can brick if you don't have the mana to play any of your really good cards. Yugioh is again exceptional because of the Extra Deck, which allows you access to what are almost certainly your most powerful cards at all times, as long as you meet their summoning requirements. Most cards in your deck are going to be combo pieces to shit your Extra Deck out onto the field as soon as possible, and a single one can be a huge difference. Deck thinning is another huge positive; Upstart Goblin allows you to draw 1 card and gives your opponent 1000 LP, so it's only neutral (or +0) in terms of card advantage (since you naturally lose 1 card from your hand), and it's a staple that nearly everyone runs because you're essentially running a 39-card deck for almost no downside. Yugioh already has an incredibly small deck size by TCG standards at 40, and any way you can lower that is going to make your win condition even more consistent. Other "pot" cards have been printed with horrendous downsides, like Pot of Extravagance (which banishes up to 6 cards from your extra deck at random) and Pot of Desires (which banishes 10 cards from the top of your deck facedown), and they're so good that almost everyone runs one or the other because going +1 is just that valuable.

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Prismsblade
05/14/23 11:24:13 AM
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tremain07 posted...
Yu-gi-oh! Is a game where card advantage is everything, a free Plus 2 card like Pot of Greed
Its a +1.

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Billyionaire
05/14/23 11:27:13 AM
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So does that mean since card draw is so powerful in yugioh they haven't printed any cards that draw cards like that since it's so op?

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tremain07
05/14/23 11:30:01 AM
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Drawing with no cost or heavy restriction? Nope never.

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Billyionaire
05/14/23 11:35:02 AM
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So they had to really temper cards that draw cards in order to make them not so op? Meta games are really interesting to me, even if the card game itself is kinda over my head

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MorganTJ
05/14/23 12:03:17 PM
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Yugioh decks are already only 40 cards, and each Pot of Greed basically means one less card in the deck. Consistency is key, so the less cards you have in your deck the better.
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Tmaster148
05/14/23 12:06:18 PM
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Yugioh doesn't have a resource system like other TCGs. Meaning a card that let's you draw 2 cards (+1 card advantage) for no cost or downside is just really strong. There is no reason why anyone wouldn't run as many legal copies of Pot of Greed in every deck.

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Touch
05/14/23 12:07:49 PM
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Billyionaire posted...
So they had to really temper cards that draw cards in order to make them not so op? Meta games are really interesting to me, even if the card game itself is kinda over my head
A bit. Most have some kind of cost or restriction, but depending on the type of deck you're running those costs could be to your benefit.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/3/0/AAbtaqAAEedS.jpg

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/3/1/AAbtaqAAEedT.jpg

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/3/2/AAbtaqAAEedU.jpg


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Billyionaire
05/14/23 8:51:44 PM
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Just found out there's a card called jar of greed that draws 1 card. Is it op too?

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Tmaster148
05/14/23 8:56:53 PM
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Billyionaire posted...
Just found out there's a card called jar of greed that draws 1 card. Is it op too?

Jar of Greed is weak, because it's a trap card. Meaning you have to set it and then use it on your opponents turn to draw 1 card and in most cases that card draw is more important on your own turn when you have drew Jar of Greed.

A compareable card "Upstart Goblin" is draw 1 card, but your opponent gains 1000 life is currently limited as despite being a +0 card, it effectively allows you to run less cards in your deck meaning you are more likely to draw the cards you want. Since running 1 copy of it is far less powerful than running 3, it doesn't currently see a lot of play.

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GameGodOfAll
05/14/23 8:59:03 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUnPN385wLI

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PowerOats
05/14/23 9:03:30 PM
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Choco posted...

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Tyranthraxus
05/14/23 9:06:27 PM
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Pot of greed costs nothing and makes you draw two cards so every time you draw it it's like you drew two cards instead. That's why it's so good.

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ChrisTaka
05/14/23 9:07:46 PM
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Touch posted...
A bit. Most have some kind of cost or restriction, but depending on the type of deck you're running those costs could be to your benefit.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/3/0/AAbtaqAAEedS.jpg

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/3/1/AAbtaqAAEedT.jpg

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/3/2/AAbtaqAAEedU.jpg

Basically this.

In a game where drawing a card outside of the draw phase always comes at the cost of something else or has a condition that needs to be fulfilled, a card that just lets you do it with no strings attached is really OP

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MC_BatCommander
05/14/23 9:08:38 PM
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That's impossible because no one knows what it actually does

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Alteres
05/14/23 9:09:28 PM
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MC_BatCommander posted...
That's impossible because no one knows what it actually does
Cant believe it took someone this long to settle this.

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PowerOats
05/14/23 9:15:14 PM
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DementedDurian
05/14/23 9:25:20 PM
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What about that card called Gravekeeper's Servant? It is still allowed.

If I recall correctly, it makes it so that the opponent has to discard the top card of their deck before each monster attack.

I used it in a GBA game to force opponents to lose the match by running out their deck. I used it alongside cards like The Bistro Butcher (which had a flip effect that forced your opponent to draw 2 cards).

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Tmaster148
05/14/23 9:44:43 PM
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DementedDurian posted...
What about that card called Gravekeeper's Servant? It is still allowed.

If I recall correctly, it makes it so that the opponent has to discard the top card of their deck before each monster attack.

I used it in a GBA game to force opponents to lose the match by running out their deck. I used it alongside cards like The Bistro Butcher (which had a flip effect that forced your opponent to draw 2 cards).

Not very good. Being a continuous spell card it's not easy to search and many cards now have graveyard effects anyways.

Though there is a single niche it has and that is the ability to lock your opponent out of declaring attacks by having a card effect like Dimensional Fissure up since the top card may not be able to be sent to the graveyard. Still neither are very searchable cards.

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Calwings
05/14/23 9:51:35 PM
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DementedDurian posted...
What about that card called Gravekeeper's Servant? It is still allowed.

If I recall correctly, it makes it so that the opponent has to discard the top card of their deck before each monster attack.

I used it in a GBA game to force opponents to lose the match by running out their deck. I used it alongside cards like The Bistro Butcher (which had a flip effect that forced your opponent to draw 2 cards).

So many cards these days have graveyard effects that you're more likely to help your opponent with that card rather than hurt them.

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