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hockeybub89 posted...

Well, sure but there's absolutely lots of negative views on autism too. It kinda became the new r-word. You always seem to have it out for high-functioning people because some subset on Twitter thinks it makes them superhuman. To blame them for low-functioning people not getting the help and visibility they need is fucking stupid

There's stigma for all mental/developmental disorders! The big thing is to just breed awareness and acceptance. Not to try to alter the very nature of what the disorder is.

The damage that's been done over the past decade is...pretty bad. And is going to fuck people over for generations.

COVxy posted...

There's stigma for all mental/developmental disorders! The big thing is to just breed awareness and acceptance. Not to try to alter the very nature of what the disorder is.

The damage that's been done over the past decade is...pretty bad. And is going to fuck people over for generations.

I agree we should go back to the days when autism was treated as a debilitating illness.

Remember that Predator movie from a few years ago where, according to the Predators, autism is the next step in human evolution?

Stuff like that is my favorite autism trope in media, where we're portrayed as X-Men.

My autism superpower is that my sex drive never decreases, and I'm just as much of a degenerate coomer at 36 as I was at 18.

COVxy posted...

There's stigma for all mental/developmental disorders! The big thing is to just breed awareness and acceptance. Not to try to alter the very nature of what the disorder is.

The damage that's been done over the past decade is...pretty bad. And is going to fuck people over for generations.

It's not just a disorder though.

Not really sure what that poster is referring to. But my "stance" on autism is pretty simple and uncontroversial. There's a range of disability that comes from Autism. Many of the people controling "what autism is" in the popular media are people that effectively hate those with low functioning autism. They don't want them displayed in the media, they dont want them talked about. Partly because disability is necessarily a negative thing, and the prevailing narrative (e.g. neurotribes) is to think about it more like just plain diversity. Some people are white, some people are black. Same thing with Autism! But the issue is that society has very little infrastructure to support those who in need, so explicitly making discussion and illustration of the needs of those with severe autism taboo for worry of being "othered" has explicit harm.

I have not seen a clip from this show portraying Shaun's autism as a superpower. Every clip I've seen is about Shaun being a surgeon who happens to be autistic. Several of the clips either show how his autism is taken advantage of by others to discriminate against him (Dr Han), or how Shaun is a human being like anyone else with similar problems to overcome as the rest of us.

All the examples I've seen indicate this show's goal is to show that Shaun deserves a place in society corresponding to his accomplishments just like the rest of us. Frequently his autism is incidental to the plot, highlighting that Shaun is a surgeon who happens to be autistic.

Like this show that's getting dragged (which is a god awful show btw) is getting dragged soley because they portray a person with autism having issues dealing with normal society occasionally. The dude is a fucking doctor, and largely extremely high functioning. But because the show displays him having meltdowns occasionally it gets dragged as being autism blackface or whatever.

hockeybub89 posted...

It's not just a disorder though.

Yes, by definition it is a neurodevelopmental disorder.

COVxy posted...

Not really sure what that poster is referring to. But my "stance" on autism is pretty simple and uncontroversial. There's a range of disability that comes from Autism. Many of the people controling "what autism is" in the popular media are people that effectively hate those with low functioning autism. They don't want them displayed in the media, they dont want them talked about. Partly because disability is necessarily a negative thing, and the prevailing narrative (e.g. neurotribes) is to think about it more like just plain diversity. Some people are white, some people are black. Same thing with Autism! But the issue is that society has very little infrastructure to support those who in need, so explicitly making discussion and illustration of the needs of those with severe autism for worry of being "othered" has explicit harm.

Remember when the simple and uncontroversial scientific stance on LGBTQ people was that they all had a disorder? And all the LGBTQ people were told to shut the fuck up, they don't know what they're talking about, and how the suppression and "cures" was good for them because it would make them "normal"

Autism is a spectrum and it's not just the debilitating parts. If you cure someone of depression, it's like removing an infection. They're still them, just no longer depressed. Curing autism is like getting a head replacement. There wouldn't be any of the person left in there. I'm not saying I made autism my personality. I'm saying autism is every bit of me, good and bad and in between. Maybe I would be "better", but it would be a completely different person piloting my old meatsuit.

And you'll say, "but what about nonverbal, low-functioning people" and I'll say "Let's help them". Getting mad at autistic people and stupid network television isn't going to help them.

You want people to accept it the same way Autism Speaks does.

hockeybub89 posted...

If you cure someone of depression, it's like removing an infection. They're still them, just no longer depressed.

You sure about that? Depression doesn't just make you sad. It changes your brain, it makes it so that you literally process the world differently, have different behavior, etc.

The only difference in that regard between the person with depression and the person with autism is that the person with depression hasn't chosen to view it as a cultural identity.

Like we can take your argument about autism and apply it to all psychiatric disorders. In fact, that's what people like scientologists do. They believe all psychiatric medicine is an effort of trying to control the diversity of thought in the world, that psychiatric medicine is evil because of this.

This show has been on the air for years, and I never heard anybody say a damn thing about it on the internet. Then overnight It's being discussed everywhere I look online.

Shows you the power of Tiktok.

Came here for more funny clips not a slapfight

Is this show supposed to be some meta level satire?

R1masher posted...

Is this show supposed to be some meta level satire?

If you like House, you will like this

All I remember is the main character plays like a charictature of someone with austism.

Zikten posted...

If you like House, you will like this

Incorrect.

6482933 posted...

Incorrect.

I like both shows

Zikten posted...

I like both shows

Congrats. I like House and despise The Good Doctor.

hockeybub89 posted...

I'm saying autism is every bit of me, good and bad and in between. Maybe I would be "better", but it would be a completely different person piloting my old meatsuit.

Deaf people would say the same thing (because of deaf culture being a strong thing that developed from discrimination, etc.) but most people would agree with the idea that being able to hear is strictly better than not being able to hear. As COVxy alluded, how much of a difference is there between autism and schizophrenic people who have hallucinations that are sometimes dangerous but sometimes inspire them to make great paintings, music, etc. in terms of the argument of "the good and the bad" making it part of your personality?

COVxy posted...

Like this show that's getting dragged (which is a god awful show btw) is getting dragged soley because they portray a person with autism having issues dealing with normal society occasionally. The dude is a fucking doctor, and largely extremely high functioning. But because the show displays him having meltdowns occasionally it gets dragged as being autism blackface or whatever.

I guess for me the part that makes it feel like "autism blackface" is that the conceit of the show at the outset is that the character strongly incorporates the savant aspect of media portrayals of autism and also at times extremely debilitatingly inhibited by it, which means that both aspects of his character are ramped up and heightened. And because the show is poorly written, it can't handle this with any amount of subtlety or introspection, so the plots come off as Very Special Episode where neurodivergent person learns about transgender people / bias against middle easterners/ etc.

COVxy posted...

You sure about that? Depression doesn't just make you sad. It changes your brain, it makes it so that you literally process the world differently, have different behavior, etc.

The only difference in that regard between the person with depression and the person with autism is that the person with depression hasn't chosen to view it as a cultural identity.

Like we can take your argument about autism and apply it to all psychiatric disorders. In fact, that's what people like scientologists do. They believe all psychiatric medicine is an effort of trying to control the diversity of thought in the world, that psychiatric medicine is evil because of this.

Don't compare me to a fucking scientologist.

I was born this way. Without autism, there would be nothing of me left. All the good parts, all my hobbies, skills, beliefs are just as influenced by it as the lack of eye contact and social deficiencies. There are no benefits to being depressed, anxious, delusional, etc.

I was not diagnosed until my 20s. I would have succeeded more in school as a being catered to, not "cured". Cures are for diseases. Don't patronize me with "Aww everyone with your disorder thinks there's nothing wrong with it." Maybe the fact that autistic people treat it differently than other diseases are treated is because it is different, and not because Hollywood has convinced them that they're cool geniuses. But you'd rather treat high-functioning people like they're drugs addicts that refused all offers of help than value what they have to say.

Anteaterking posted...

I guess for me the part that makes it feel like "autism blackface" is that the conceit of the show at the outset is that the character strongly incorporates the savant aspect of media portrayals of autism and also at times extremely debilitatingly inhibited by it, which means that both aspects of his character are ramped up and heightened. And because the show is poorly written, it can't handle this with any amount of subtlety or introspection, so the plots come off as Very Special Episode where neurodivergent person learns about transgender people / bias against middle easterners/ etc.

Oh I absolutely agree with that.

Anteaterking posted...

Deaf people would say the same thing (because of deaf culture being a strong thing that developed from discrimination, etc.) but most people would agree with the idea that being able to hear is strictly better than not being able to hear. As COVxy alluded, how much of a difference is there between autism and schizophrenic people who have hallucinations that are sometimes dangerous but sometimes inspire them to make great paintings, music, etc. in terms of the argument of "the good and the bad" making it part of your personality?

I think there is a lot of difference. For a lot of the spectrum, literally just recognizing people's differences and playing to their strengths can let them lead the same life as anyone else. "Normal" people have strengths and weaknesses. Would we say there is something wrong with them if they fail outside of their comfort zones? You can't cater to the strengths of schizophrenia. You can't turn depression into a positive. I simply don't accept from experience that I'm only broken, or that catering to my "delusions" will hurt me in the end. I know it's not true for the entire spectrum, but I can only have my good days. That wouldn't be true for an unmedicated schizophrenic or bipolar person.

Doe posted...

I have not seen a clip from this show portraying Shaun's autism as a superpower.

There are tons of occasions where he can bring up basically a HUD, visualize the human body in a supernatural way and find solutions no one else can. It's referred to as a gift iirc.

Azardea posted...

There are tons of occasions where he can bring up basically a HUD, visualize the human body in a supernatural and find solutions no one else can. It's referred to as a gift iirc.

Goddamn. My autism sucks in comparison. I don't have an Iron Man HUD.

Doe posted...

I have not seen a clip from this show portraying Shaun's autism as a superpower.

https://twitter.com/coyoboyo1/status/1651650690538774530

Hornswoggled posted...

This show has been on the air for years, and I never heard anybody say a damn thing about it on the internet. Then overnight It's being discussed everywhere I look online.

Shows you the power of Tiktok.

Yeah it is a bit funny how the internet is. This will be the new easy target for internet people now I guess.

Like I'm sure it's a typical mediocre medical drama but I don't think people get that taking clips out of context to post on sites like Twitter on TikTok is supposed to be funny. It's not really a fair representation of the show itself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsH0sZlo9dI

OH NO HANBROS WE GOT TOO COCKY

Autism black face?

Autism black face

Will all of you hate on the spinoff too? It's OCD Blackface I guess

Zikten posted...

Will all of you hate on the spinoff too? It's OCD Blackface I guess

Hey man you dont have to keep going to bat for this show

MaxEffingBemis posted...

Hey man you dont have to keep going to bat for this show

You shouldn't be able to have an opinion until you watch 1 complete episode. People who just laugh at clips, don't know what they are talking about

You know, I wanna watch this, but Im just not sure what this guy does for a living. I wanna say anesthesiologist?

Zikten posted...

You shouldn't be able to have an opinion until you watch 1 complete episode. People who just laugh at clips, don't know what they are talking about

its a shitty network tv show

McMarbles posted...

You know, I wanna watch this, but Im just not sure what this guy does for a living. I wanna say anesthesiologist?

i heard that he was chair of the local university's humanities department

Zikten posted...

You shouldn't be able to have an opinion until you watch 1 complete episode. People who just laugh at clips, don't know what they are talking about

"You shouldn't be able to have an opinion" all I need to know about you.

Delirious_Beard posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsH0sZlo9dI

OH NO HANBROS WE GOT TOO COCKY

A man of character til the end, putting everything on the line for his beliefs.

yeah, don't don't understanding the show get in the way of memeing

Zikten posted...

Will all of you hate on the spinoff too? It's OCD Blackface I guess

I probably will if it's more network TV schlock