Board 8 > Video Game Console Mafia - Topic 7: Bonus Round

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Chris has never a day in his life played mafia believing the likeliest option to be true

Chris + ctes scum is pretty likely. Explains ctes not voting. Cant vote for himself. Doesnt want to vote for Chris and risk casting the deciding vote especially when Corrik has been like a light switch stuck in the middle. Doesnt want to vote for mzero because it looks bad for Chris when ctes flips scum.

A ctes flip does the most to help Chris because Chris can talk about how he was on the lynch consistently and he already believed he and peafs roles coexist in addition to bg, so sure his vests didnt save town this time but Chris lives to see another day. When ctes flips something other than ninja strongman Chris can go damn, guess I was wrong about mzero. Lets do that.

Dont forget Chris started the day talking about how ctes was a fine place to start, but wed need to have a convo about mzero. Then peaf dropped a bombshell. Chris and ctes know peaf is town and they cant argue against peafs credibility. But now Chris is saying mzero isnt on his scum game at all. Didnt MZeros confident read of sultan which supposedly has convinced chris mzero is town happen yesterday or before? I mean in-game yesterday or before? So why would Chris start today saying we need to take a long hard look at mzero?

SirChris posted...

Because mzero is not in their scum meta at all lmao.

On top of that, they proactively claimed. I have never in my life seen a scum mzero speak with such confidence about a read where he did with sultan.

Dude's just town and people are relying way, way too much on roles tbh

Post #246 just recently. Oh look another thing that happened d2 - MZero proactively claimed. So why did we need to have a conversation about MZero when day began? And why didnt we end up talking about MZero?

Go back and read page 1 of this thread. Ctes seems to think a ninja strongman existing is unlikely. If hes town, he would know hes not a ninja strongman. But he still does not vote for
Chris or mzero. Despite the fact no ninja strongman means one of Chris and Mzero is scum.

Also on p1 of this thread, ctes pushes back against peaf saying ctes has done a lot of posting in defense of Chris. Ctes refutes this by saying well peaf, youre saying I havent done a lot which is probably true, but that conflicts with me defending Chris. Why would ctes choose to characterize himself as not doing much and be less bothered by that than someone connecting him and Chris.

Wallz, I know you have decided I'm not worth listening to today because you think I'm scum but whatever but you seriously need to cut the s*** about me not voting. You're misinterpreting what I've saying here and if you've been reading my posts then you're doing it purposely and you're switching order of events of the day around pretty badly. You basically have to be town so stop working like this.

I have stated repeatedly that there is scum in MZero and Chris for sure and will end up having a vote there but that I wanted to go look closer at both first. You yourself brought up that Corrik flipping back and fourth might mean we suddenly hammer, which is just another reason to hold off the vote until you're more sure to not accidentally perhaps end on the wrong one of them.

I have no idea what you're trying to say in the last paragraph you made, sorry.

Okay.

Dont forget to also lynch Sultan if Chris is scum (meaning mzero is town) because scum would not skip shooting sultan to take out two townies in one go. Why would they not do this - all to set up a mislynch on Sultan, just one of the two? If Chris does flip town obviously mzero dies

wallmasterz posted...

Can someone with more experience playing with ctes vouch for how he plays with his back against the wall? Has he ever stubbornly not claimed as town?

Go read Baseball Musical mafia lol.

wallmasterz posted...

Okay.

Dont forget to also lynch Sultan if Chris is scum (meaning mzero is town) because scum would not skip shooting sultan to take out two townies in one go. Why would they not do this - all to set up a mislynch on Sultan, just one of the two? If Chris does flip town obviously mzero dies

Fully agree.

don't forget Lopen also pivoted off of Sultan when we had a plan in place to lynch him which would have killed both me and Sultan if he's town

Votals
[4]Chris - MZero, Ulti, (Wallz), SBell, (Corrik), (Corrik), Wallz, (Corrik), (Corrik)
[4]Ctes - Peaf, Chris, (Marth), Dumey, (Wallz), (Corrik), (Corrik), (Corrik), (Corrik), Corrik
[2]MZero - Sultan, (Dumey), Marth
[0]SBell - (Ulti)
[0]Peaf - (Wallz)

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day ends at 7PM EST, in 12 hours 30 minutes.

I don't really have much else to say. I want to reread day 1 and 2 especially but don't wait on me for that

I will add that while I have always been open minded about a ninja strongman existing, some of you acted like its a ridiculous thought.

For Chris to believe mzero is town then he believes a ninja strongman killed red. People who know Chris better than myself can decide if they think thats at all likely.

I do not see a world where all three Chris Mzero and death are all town there is no way a Ninja strong man exists.

Idk how Chris is entertaining that

MZero posted...

don't forget Lopen also pivoted off of Sultan when we had a plan in place to lynch him which would have killed both me and Sultan if he's town

Yeah. And one of Sultans most recent posts saying oh, maybe Chris is trying to make me look bad or pocket me if hes scum. That makes me think Chris is scum with Sultan and Sultan is putting that out there to hedge his bets and try to get ahead of things in case Chris is the lynch.

inb4 Sultan moves his vote to ctes

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

I do not see a world where all three Chris Mzero and death are all town there is no way a Ninja strong man exists.

Idk how Chris is entertaining that

Have you considered the possibility Chris doesnt actually believe it either

wallmasterz posted...

Have you considered the possibility Chris doesnt actually believe it either

I mean I can vote Chris sure but mzero is more than likely the scum out of the 2

But I'll vote Chris continue to point my gun at Mzero unless Chris flips scum.

##Vote:Chris

Genuinely wondering sultan, why do you think its more likely mzero is scum of the two? Just your expertise having played a lot of games with Chris, or reasons from this game?

You know Chris way better than I do

Votals
[4]Chris - MZero, Ulti, (Wallz), SBell, (Corrik), (Corrik), Wallz, (Corrik), (Corrik)
[4]Ctes - Peaf, Chris, (Marth), Dumey, (Wallz), (Corrik), (Corrik), (Corrik), (Corrik), Corrik
[2]MZero - Sultan, (Dumey), Marth
[0]SBell - (Ulti)
[0]Peaf - (Wallz)

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day ends at 7PM EST, in ~11 hours.

Well a little bit of both. Though he wasn't been present this seems more like Chris town game.

But also based of the game itself Chris's role is basically a doctor. With a BG who is 1 use and Peaf who is limited we do not have great protection.

Mzero was linked with Lopen. Mzero's play doesn't remind me of his town play. And Mzeros rule very easy to fake.

Hey @Sheep007 you are missing sultans vote

Looks like you need to unvote, Sultan.

But if you think mzero is more likely, why are you putting your vote on a player who will get lynched when corrik next changes his mind?

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Mzero's play doesn't remind me of his town play.

Can you go into more detail?

wallmasterz posted...

Hey @Sheep007 you are missing sultans vote

No he's not I actually forgot to unvote this time and not on purpose..
Been spoiled on other sites not having to

##unvote:Mzero
##vote:Chris

MZero posted...

Can you go into more detail?

The comedy was over the top earlier in the game and you seem though active very separatic. And not what I've seen in your town games.

I guess it's not nessisarily your scum game either. Usually you're much more inactive as scum.

Chris role is basically a doctor on steroids, he can give a vest to multiple people and if scum doesnt kill his target that night, they get to keep their vest. Chris claims to have given out multiple vests too. So add on top of this a bodyguard and peaf.

Reds power was totally useless as cop until he hammered. So I will admit its possible we got strong protection but a weak cop. But I think giving town a watcher helped make up for the weak cop, plus mzero if hes town.

Votals
[5]Chris - MZero, Ulti, (Wallz), SBell, (Corrik), (Corrik), Wallz, (Corrik), (Corrik), Sultan
[4]Ctes - Peaf, Chris, (Marth), Dumey, (Wallz), (Corrik), (Corrik), (Corrik), (Corrik), Corrik
[1]MZero - (Sultan), (Dumey), Marth
[0]SBell - (Ulti)
[0]Peaf - (Wallz)

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day ends at 7PM EST, in ~10 hours 45.

Not to mention Chris supposedly already gave out two vests in addition to the one he claims to have given red. Chris says hes out of vests and Im inclined to believe it because lol town having more than 3 bp vests to go around.

If Im a dumbass and hes town, hes already used up his protection and effectively vanilla. Ill eat crow in postgame and thank him for his service.

wallmasterz posted...

Not to mention Chris supposedly already gave out two vests in addition to the one he claims to have given red. Chris says hes out of vests and Im inclined to believe it because lol town having more than 3 bp vests to go around.

If Im a dumbass and hes town, hes already used up his protection and effectively vanilla. Ill eat crow in postgame and thank him for his service.

Fair point.
Idk maybe im being stubborn and trusting my gut to much.

wallmasterz posted...

Chris says hes out of vests and Im inclined to believe it because lol town having more than 3 bp vests to go around.

See being more limited is why I think it's all town stuff

Its limited but more powerful than doctor because you dont have to pick the right target on the right night you just give people vests.

wallmasterz posted...

Its limited but more powerful than doctor because you dont have to pick the right target on the right night you just give people vests.

Could arguably give it to scum and waste it too so it's got down side to it as well

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don't wanna be in hammer territory atm but the more we talk it out I don't know.

Limited to what 3 vests. Peaf sounds like a 1 use jailkeeper and Death was BG and obviously thats a 1 use as well

Hmm

And 1 was wasted on the strongman shot.

I am not one use.

Peace___Frog posted...

I am not one use.

Then why wouldn't you always use Jailkeeper then?? Or can't you use ot consecutive nights?

Well now I'm not going to be spelling it out for scum, Sultan.

Peace___Frog posted...

Well now I'm not going to be spelling it out for scum, Sultan.

Wait if you provide more protection why aren't you voting for Chris and more protection that is counter claiming your protection???

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

The comedy was over the top earlier in the game and you seem though active very separatic. And not what I've seen in your town games.

I guess it's not nessisarily your scum game either. Usually you're much more inactive as scum.

Go back and read my town games and show me one where I wasn't cheeky

and what does separatic mean?

I believe Sultan is saying youre active but your posting is sporadic

MZero posted...

Go back and read my town games and show me one where I wasn't cheeky

and what does separatic mean?

Well if it makes you feel better I think today has been your best day so far. But might just be beacuse you're not in the camp of a ninja strongman being a thing lol.
And it makes sense youre on the Chris train Chris not being ton you and thinking it has to be a Ninja strongman is definitely a point in your favor

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Wait if you provide more protection why aren't you voting for Chris and more protection that is counter claiming your protection???

Sultan, have you read today? I've gone back and forth on it pretty hard.

I think they are both scum. There is a slim chance that Chris is town if and only if ctes is town. So the ctes route keeps Chris alive in that circumstance.
Dumey and i already spelled out all of these conditionals

Lynching Chris gives direction on mzero and sultan no matter how Chris flips. Lynching ctes doesnt resolve Chris/MZero even if ctes flips ninja and therefore doesnt tell us anything about sultan either. The benefit of lynching ctes is you think theres a good chance Chris and mzero are both town.

Peace___Frog posted...

Sultan, have you read today? I've gone back and forth on it pretty hard.

I think they are both scum. There is a slim chance that Chris is town if and only if ctes is town. So the ctes route keeps Chris alive in that circumstance.
Dumey and i already spelled out all of these conditionals

I mean I remember you saying this just like it seems weird to me that you're going this route but I have you as confirmed town regardless.

Oh well how does a tie breaker work has Sheep said?

Whatever i last agreed with dumey with is what i want to do

Theres also a nightmare scenario where Chris is town and peaf is some kind of scum jack who lied about being RBd n1, had some kind of single use role n2 which kept him from being targeted, and when no one died n3 peaf saw the opportunity and ran with it to try to frame ctes.

I highly doubt this. But just saying if Chris flips town do not keep peaf in the town cleared pile. Ive never seen town get as mad as he did after the 2nd no kill.

Sure, if i as scum claimed rb'd because we didn't send in a lopen action n1, or were betting that it didn't hit power.

Yeah i got way more mad than i should have. I was dealing with something irl and was originally riding high off of the belief that i stopped two scum kills back to back. So i overreacted and was a major asshole.

I think it would be almost as busted as chris' role (if it is more than 1-use) to have multiple scum players be untargetable. But that does give me an idea for a game...

Peace___Frog posted...

Whatever i last agreed with dumey with is what i want to do

It would be pretty brilliant, honestly, if you were scum with Dumey and planned to sacrifice Lopen to town confirm both you and Dumey all at once. Im not convinced this is impossible but if its true, I doubt town does anything about it anyway.

Oh shit Im possibly right arent I.

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