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The authors make this a gospel issue. They basically say that a church that says homosexual practice is fine is apostate and sending its members to Hell.

The final thing is they spend some time discussing Pauls view of the transforming power of the Gospel in Romans and in other places. Why do they do that? The answer is that the church has come to believe that people cannot change.

There have been many popular books written on homosexuality, such as K. DeYoung's. But this is an academic work that fills a void. This, along with Robert Gagnon's The Bible and Homosexual Practice, effectively demolish the idea that Christianity and homosexual practice are compatible.

Ok, but like, who the fuck cares?
If bible beating sky wizards worshippers want to live their life in a certain way that's on them. The rest of us can behave like people who can function in a modern world.

I am surprised this book has not gotten more publicity. It is a tour de force and exactly the type of academic work needed to help Christians stem the tide of sodomy in our churches. It is the best book I have read on what the church has taught about homosexuality down through the centuries.

Why did this book need to be written? The answer is the gay-Christian movement, which has leaned heavily on twisting Scripture and church history to fit their agenda. The goal of the gay-Christian movement is to get the church to accept practicing homosexuals as full members of Christs body. The authors make clear that goal is totally at odds with the teaching of the church since the beginning. At no point in time has the church taught that homosexuality was an acceptable practice for a Christian. This book proves that.

Ok, but like, who the fuck cares?
If bible beating sky wizards worshippers want to live their life in a certain way that's on them. The rest of us can behave like people who can function in a modern world.

Because there are LGBT Christians. I'm one of them.

Ok, but like, who the fuck cares?
If bible beating sky wizards worshippers want to live their life in a certain way that's on them. The rest of us can behave like people who can function in a modern world.

Christofascism is unfortunately on the rise and its worth calling these chucklefuck fascists out to make people aware of how fucked up they are and to keep them out of politics.

Because they get into politics and make things like being gay or trans illegal.

First, gay, celibate Christians regularly discount the homosexual agenda in the world as not worth worrying about and even downplay same-sex relations in general. Reading them it is difficult to believe they take I Corinthians 6:9-11, the threat homosexuality presents to Biblical sexuality, or the threat it presents to society seriously. Preston Sprinkle tries in his book, but qualifies it to death so that it is hard to imagine he would ever say a gay (not-celibate) Christian is outside the Kingdom.

Also am I going nuts or is this arguing from tradition basically a modern day equivalent of saying "slavery is ok because it's in the Bible"?

• Not to worship idols.
• Not to curse God.
• Not to commit murder.
• Not to commit adultery or sexual immorality.
• Not to steal.
• Not to eat flesh torn from a living animal.
• To establish courts of justice.

There have to be more influential bigots you could point to than a Goodreads reviewer.

Fuck Christianity, then.

You are not going nuts

Ok, but like, who the fuck cares?
If bible beating sky wizards worshippers want to live their life in a certain way that's on them. The rest of us can behave like people who can function in a modern world.

While one could argue the case for Judaism, which are God's chosen people (see the covenant between God and Abraham)...

...Christians aren't God's people.

And only the Noahide laws apply to non-Jews.

These are:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Laws_of_Noah

* Not to worship idols.
* Not to curse God.
* Not to commit murder.
* Not to commit adultery or sexual immorality.
* Not to steal.
* Not to eat flesh torn from a living animal.
* To establish courts of justice.
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And there's nothing immoral about homosexuality, as it's genetic.

Meaning it was created by God when he created humanity.

Immoral just really means non-consensual.

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Also am I going nuts or is this arguing from tradition basically a modern day equivalent of saying "slavery is ok because it's in the Bible"?

Because there are LGBT Christians. I'm one of them.

Why?

Why?

The Swedish Church have accepted them for a long time

Usually the people who go this hard against homosexuality are usually homosexual themselves. Watch hell get caught with a male prostitute in some roadside motel soon enough.

This is demonstrably not fucking true no matter how many tens of examples you have. Millions of people are homophobes. Most of them are not secretly gay.

Homosexual actions is a choice. To have homosexual thoughts? No stopping it.

1. I believe in the core tenets of Christianity
2. I'm LGBT

TC, do you have a spiritual basis for your beliefs re: homosexuality and Christianity? Because it's fine if you don't, but I think that part of your conflict here is that (at least as presented) you're starting from the position of

1. I believe in the core tenets of Christianity
2. I'm LGBT
and then concluding that there's no way Christianity could be against homosexual behavior (in a "no true scotsman" way) so any homophobia in the church must be a misinterpretation by evil people.

I think there are arguments to be made, I'm just not sure whether you believe them or if you're finding things that make it convenient for you. If that makes sense.

I'm of the opinion that the verses "condemning" homosexuality were meant to condemn pederasty and homosexual rape and were not condemning all same sex behavior.

I tried pointing this out in other places besides CE so people could debunk it on Christian terms but I was either ignored or people focused on the argument from a secular perspective, which isn't what I was looking for.

I'm of the opinion that the verses "condemning" homosexuality were meant to condemn pederasty and homosexual rape and were not condemning all same sex behavior.

It's kinda hard to debunk it "on Christian terms" because the history and tradition of the Christian church is overwhelmingly supportive of his thesis.

The only way to "debunk it" is to appeal to the core of Christ's teachings of love, inclusiveness, and caring for people more than laws or money.