Current Events > Republicans in TN: Slavery had nothing to do with racism.

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Someone ask them

"Then why were all the slaves black?"

Zikten posted...

Someone ask them

"Then why were all the slaves black?"

they werent.

Indigenous people were enslaved throughout the new world. Somewhere north of 12 million Africans were enslaved, 2.5-5m indigenous people were enslaved. Would have been much more but old world diseases killed most of the population.

Norman_Smiley posted...

they werent.

Indigenous people were enslaved throughout the new world. Somewhere north of 12 million Africans were enslaved, 2.5-5m indigenous people were enslaved. Would have been much more but old world diseases killed most of the population.

Well ok fine. But were there any white slaves in America?

Shithole state

Zikten posted...

Well ok fine. But were there any white slaves in America?

yes, though good numbers are really hard to find. Whites were enslaved in a Mediterranean slave trade, going to northern African, Anatolia, near east. The ottomans may have been the biggest trader in white slaves. Some of those got sent to America. I dont think it was anymore than 300k. And some of the stuff suggests it might have been more akin to modern human trafficking sex slaves than the field slaves we normally think of when talking about new world slavery.

Pretty much a footnote in history, but it happened.

Norman_Smiley posted...

yes, though good numbers are really hard to find. Whites were enslaved in a Mediterranean slave trade, going to northern African, Anatolia, near east. The ottomans may have been the biggest trader in white slaves. Some of those got sent to America. I dont think it was anymore than 300k. And some of the stuff suggests it might have been more akin to modern human trafficking sex slaves than the field slaves we normally think of when talking about new world slavery.

Pretty much a footnote in history, but it happened.

Wouldnt indentured servitude count as well? Especially since the landowner could just keep extending the term?

Aka "Duncan's Law"

They're trying to ban any source of accurate information that leads to people being aware of or opposing discrimination or unjust hierarchies. Because they support those hierarchies outright and think there's nothing wrong with them or think they're good or necessary. They also recognize that people who are aware of history and can think of things beyond "personal responsibility" will almost never vote Republican.

They don't think persuasion is an option anymore, so they're just trying to make sure some types of people can't vote, never enter the country, never come into existence, or stop existing. It's fascism and they're attempting it wherever they have control. They're fine with saying the quiet part out loud now because they know they won't win in an open, free society and will just try to lock in their power where they can.

even in cases where a civilization took slaves of any race it was still about nationalism most of the time. Romans believed they were better than the people they took as slaves as well.

It took until 19 fucking 60's for black people to have as many rights as whites and that was only on paper.

So teeell me. How was it not racism?

Stagmar posted...

Wouldnt indentured servitude count as well? Especially since the landowner could just keep extending the term?

Not in my opinion. Indentured servants still had access to the courts and limited rights. They were still seen as people, not property.

Black people only counted as 3/5ths of a person but that had nothing to do with racism

Scintillant posted...

Black people only counted as 3/5ths of a person but that had nothing to do with racism

That actually didn't. That was just so Southern states didn't get even more representatives in Congress (who would only represent white people regardless). Slave states wanted this number to be 1, so 3/5ths was the compromise. It was also 3/5th per slave, not per black person; free black people still counted as one person.

If it is exactly as this tweet reads, then Jesus fuck, they're literally doing the 1984 thing.

Norman_Smiley posted...

yes, though good numbers are really hard to find.

No they weren't, not in the same way. A white person could not be made slave for life and children of white slaves never inherited slavery. In the colonies, slavery was only administered to white people as a punishment for breaking the law and it was never for life.

Southern state doing southern state things

Norman_Smiley posted...

they werent.

Indigenous people were enslaved throughout the new world. Somewhere north of 12 million Africans were enslaved, 2.5-5m indigenous people were enslaved. Would have been much more but old world diseases killed most of the population.

The first slave brought across the atlantic was a white Irishman, btw.

1.4% of Americans owned slaves. This percentage is constituted in parts by 0.35% of the white population at the time and 78% of ethnic jews at the time.

This image has a source.
https://image.slidesharecdn.com/day5race-140608110010-phpapp02/95/day-5-race-slavery-6-638.jpg?cb=1402225275

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-atd3Gue2Cj4/XvTskme8ZrI/AAAAAAAAHTs/LFelOGgSf0IFq8oAPXlknYevMFXgE5B8gCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/Slavers.jpg

You can fuck all the way off and if the admins have any brains at all your main would get banned for this shit

I wouldn't say nothing, but you have to look at the bigger picture here. Slavery predates the US by thousands of years.

Yes, 'whites' were slaves. Ottomans did a number on south and east European people. The consequences can be felt even today.

North African and Middle-Eastern countries/empires/whatever were the biggest slave traders in history.

World is a lot bigger and older than the US.

What a topic.

legendary_zell posted...

They're trying to ban any source of accurate information that leads to people being aware of or opposing discrimination or unjust hierarchies. Because they support those hierarchies outright and think there's nothing wrong with them or think they're good or necessary. They also recognize that people who are aware of history and can think of things beyond "personal responsibility" will almost never vote Republican.

They don't think persuasion is an option anymore, so they're just trying to make sure some types of people can't vote, never enter the country, never come into existence, or stop existing. It's fascism and they're attempting it wherever they have control. They're fine with saying the quiet part out loud now because they know they won't win in an open, free society and will just try to lock in their power where they can.

As the best piece of Star Wars media content (Andor) put it, "Oppression is the mask of fear".

Republicans know that their power is weakening, so they've tightened the leash wherever and however they can.

Stagmar posted...

Wouldnt indentured servitude count as well? Especially since the landowner could just keep extending the term?

No. Indenture was nothing like chattel slavery and it's disingenuous to claim otherwise.

ScazarMeltex posted...

No. Indenture was nothing like chattel slavery and it's disingenuous to claim otherwise.

I wasnt trying to imply it was, and Im deeply sorry thats how it comes across. I was dumbly looking at the forced working without payment and being able to be sold off to someone else as a part of a broader category of slavery. Even if it is (which it probably isnt), when people mention slavery of course they mean chattel slavery. That makes it a stupid question for me to ask. I was also operating under false assumptions. I was sure that I had read that indenture could be inherited and that the servant had no legal recourse if the contract holder decided to increase the term. Your dad didnt fulfill the term, so now you have to. And by the way, Ive increased the term. We werent taught about this in school at all so everything I know, or thought I knew, comes from books, TV, and the internet. Thanks for calling it out. Norman_Smiley made me realize what I knew was wrong. You made me realize how idiotic I was.

Norman_Smiley posted...

they werent.

You should've immediately stopped right here and not posted before going off on a tangent that is completely irrelevant to the subject at hand.

Technically there is some truth to this, as early slavery included all races from different areas until multiple rebellions led people to enslaving only blacks from Africa because they were significantly different from, and couldn't communicate and work together with, other "undesirables".

So it originally was worse than racism, it was just straight cruelty and inhumanity. But I doubt these assholes understand that, or how it significantly increased racism across the country.

Factually speaking, there were other slaves besides black people, including white people and indigenous people. Not all white people were indentured servants, either.

That being said, US Slavery was abso-fucking-lutely grounded in racism.

RuneterranSnap posted...

Technically there is some truth to this, as early slavery included all races from different areas until multiple rebellions led people to enslaving only blacks from Africa because they were significantly different from, and couldn't communicate and work together with, other "undesirables".

So it originally was worse than racism, it was just straight cruelty and inhumanity. But I doubt these assholes understand that, or how it significantly increased racism across the country.

ZMythos posted...

Factually speaking, there were other slaves besides black people, including white people and indigenous people. Not all white people were indentured servants, either.

That being said, US Slavery was abso-fucking-lutely grounded in racism.

Well put - the distinctions are important as it ultimately HAS been a feedback loop of racism driving and being driven by slavery in the US as time progressed.

Ilishe posted...

I wouldn't say nothing, but you have to look at the bigger picture here. Slavery predates the US by thousands of years.

Yes, 'whites' were slaves. Ottomans did a number on south and east European people. The consequences can be felt even today.

North African and Middle-Eastern countries/empires/whatever were the biggest slave traders in history.

World is a lot bigger and older than the US.

True though the bill is addressing the teaching of US history and events...

This is fucking bullshit.

Florida textbooks "Rosa Parks was asked to change her seat and she refused"

They're literally trying to rewrite history

The scary thing is that if they continue pushing and win, it might actually play out the way they want it to.

Just like how in China nobody acknowledges the Tiananmen Square Massacre

Confederates: "We're racist as fuck and we're fighting for both the preservation and expanation of slavery"

21st century Republicans: "You see what they actually meant was......."

I don't get it, people weren't coy back then. It wasn't dog whistles. Slavers loudly and proudly talked about racial superiority and how slavery was a good thing. It's not disputable.

Even absolutionists (including Lincoln) openly argued that white people were the tops and everyone else sucks but they still think slavery is bad.

Don't misquote me, non racist people existed obviously but they were a tiny tiny minority. It wasn't only "socially accepted" it was the norm, it was literally taught in Sunday School to children that God wants whites to enslave people.

We enslaved this entire race of people because we respect them

fuck off with this white wash crap

fuckin Gumby republicans

Gritty posted...

We enslaved this entire race of people because we respect them

fuck off with this white wash crap

fuckin Gumby republicans

It's more like "we picked this group to enslave because they can't defend themselves". It was less racism than straight inhumanity(though no question they were also racist af).