Current Events > Jonathan Majors' lawyer releases texts to TMZ from his girlfriend

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ArchNemo posted...

Well considering it was his lawyers that released the texts saying they had a fight, we can probably assume that's true.

In which case, I'm not sure how you saying "W-well, maybe he just slipped so much when she tried to grab his phone that it looked like they had a physically altercation!" makes it seem like I'm the one with the agenda.

It says they saw the injuries on me and they knew we had a fight. This is, again, very easily read as they saw I was hurt, they knew wed had a fight, they assumed you hit me. A fight doesnt always mean a physical altercation in a relationship. It in fact usually doesnt. The way she states it Im so mad the cops did sounds like shes mad the cops assumed he hit her because she had injuries and they were fighting (read: arguing.)

Until we have more info we dont know either way. The texts certainly dont make it any more clear, unless youre determined to read it like she texted him its my fault you hit me, how dare the cops assume you hit me after you hit me. Which even within the context of fawning due to persistent DV doesnt make a lot of sense for a person to say.

The injuries in question involve choke marks on her neck. This isn't a case of accidentally bumping her head with an elbow, it was strangulation

@Zonbei Dont waste your time.

Hinakuluiau posted...

The injuries in question involve choke marks on her neck. This isn't a case of accidentally bumping her head with an elbow, it was strangulation

She claims in the text that is a bogus determination and she doesn't know why they claim there was strangulation.

Man was waiting for more information before I formed a stance on this and man my stance now is fuck him.

Hinakuluiau posted...

The injuries in question involve choke marks on her neck. This isn't a case of accidentally bumping her head with an elbow, it was strangulation

You can't sit here and tell me that someone hasn't tried to grab your phone and you've accidentally choked them hard enough to leave marks, had to go to the hospital, shown enough concern regarding the situation that you needed to be arrested, and then been so mad over this person accidentally being choked by you that you ask if they left thr keys (implying that you kicked them out of your place) and said "goodbye bitch" while they begged for your forgiveness.

Like, we've all been there, right?

Hinakuluiau posted...

The injuries in question involve choke marks on her neck. This isn't a case of accidentally bumping her head with an elbow, it was strangulation

Except in the very text everyone in the topic is citing as proof he did it because she said it was her fault, she says he did no such thing.

Its literally impossible to tell what happened right now. We dont have the information we need to make that determination and no amount of armchair psychology from internet randos is going to change that.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

She claims in the text that is a bogus determination and she doesn't know why they claim there was strangulation.

Maybe because a team of medical professionals can tell what strangulation marks look like even if the victim suddenly recants her statement and tries to say it's her fault for grabbing his phone?

Couldn't be that, though.

Zonbei posted...

The thing you and everyone else seems to be missing is that theyre saying he didnt beat her at all. It only sounds like he beat her because she tried to grab his phone so its her fault if youre assuming he beat her. Which we dont know. If you read it without that assumption it sounds like its my fault I (got hurt, possibly by accident) for grabbing your phone.

now it could also be a DV situation where shes used to blaming herself. Ive been in that situation where I blamed myself for others abusive actions. But we really dont have enough info to determine that.

bro she was in the hospital

ArchNemo posted...

Maybe because a team of medical professionals can tell what strangulation marks look like even if the victim suddenly recants her statement and tries to say it's her fault for grabbing his phone?

Couldn't be that, though.

Ok so you've made up your mind on the matter regardless of what anyone says. Great. Move on.

ArchNemo posted...

You can't sit here and tell me that someone hasn't tried to grab your phone and you've accidentally choked them hard enough to leave marks, had to go to the hospital, shown enough concern regarding the situation that you needed to be arrested, and then been so mad over this person accidentally being choked by you that you ask if they left thr keys (implying that you kicked them out of your place) and said "goodbye bitch" while they begged for your forgiveness.

Like, we've all been there, right?

More wild assumptions pulled out of your ass, as far as I can tell. Theres literally no telling if the keys text was before this altercation happened. Youre assuming its about being KICKED OUT because of asking about left keys. And do you have a source for it saying goodbye bitch? Ive only seen the blacked out version. Or is that another thing youre making up?

WalkingLobsters posted...

bro she was in the hospital

I got domestically abused and didnt go to the hospital. People I know have been hurt and did go to the hospital and werent domestically abused. Im not sure what your point is.

is it really THAT hard for people to say you know what, we dont have enough info, Ill just wait for more?

There's still a recording and eyewitness testimony to hear from. There's still enough info from this case that's missing that's worth waiting for.

You know what, we dont have enough info, Ill just wait for more.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Ok so you've made up your mind on the matter regardless of what anyone says. Great. Move on.

Okay, so your theory here is that doctors and nurses in a hospital don't know what strangulation marks look like, or that victims of abuse never lie to protect their abusers?

Personally, I'm more inclined to believe the neutral third party that cared for her at the hospital.

The fact that you said something doesn't mean I have to change my mind, it also has to make sense.

Leanaunfurled posted...

These texts read like an abuse victim trying to appease their abuser. :s

Very much this.

ArchNemo posted...

Okay, so your theory here is that doctors and nurses in a hospital don't know what strangulation marks look like, or that victims of abuse never lie to protect their abusers?

Personally, I'm more inclined to believe the neutral third party that cared for her at the hospital.

The fact that you said something doesn't mean I have to change my mind, it also has to make sense.

My theory is that its possible shes a victim of abuse lying to protect her abuser. (Or more likely, lying to herself about her abuse as victims do, since she sent the text directly to him after the incident the same day, where it seems unlikely someone had managed to get to her and convince her to send this as evidence.) Its also possible thats not the case. Its that second bit you seem to be missing.

Youre making the assumption the strangulation marks were determined by a medical professional and not the arresting officers. (Which, frankly, they probably werent.) As someone who has actually BEEN THROUGH such an examination by the police, its not as clear cut and infallible as you seem to think.

you dont seem to realize how much of your totally set in stone stance is based entirely on your assumptions about every part of this incident and the processes surrounding it.

Zonbei posted...

I got domestically abused and didnt go to the hospital. People I know have been hurt and did go to the hospital and werent domestically abused. Im not sure what your point is.

is it really THAT hard for people to say you know what, we dont have enough info, Ill just wait for more?

Whether you believe he did it or not, or want to wait for more information, saying that "maybe he accidentally hospitalized her when she tried to grab his phone" is dumb as fuck, especially when you take any amount of context into the situation. She didn't go to the hospital, obviously distressed and with injuries to the point where the police were called, make a statement about being beaten, recant the statement, and then beg his forgiveness like a beaten puppy because his hand slipped when she went to grab his phone.

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This isnt a victim blaming situation. Its a lets wait to find out whats even going on because the victim literally said theyre not one and were all firing blind with barely any info situation.

I mean theres surely a bunch of victim blamers out there, but Im not one of them.

Zonbei posted...

I got domestically abused and didnt go to the hospital. People I know have been hurt and did go to the hospital and werent domestically abused. Im not sure what your point is.

is it really THAT hard for people to say you know what, we dont have enough info, Ill just wait for more?

do you think he beat her?

Zonbei posted...

is it really THAT hard for people to say you know what, we dont have enough info, Ill just wait for more?

People already did that. Then more came out in form of this text message.

Zonbei posted...

My theory is that its possible shes a victim of abuse lying to protect her abuser. (Or more likely, lying to herself about her abuse as victims do, since she sent the text directly to him after the incident the same day, where it seems unlikely someone had managed to get to her and convince her to send this as evidence.) Its also possible thats not the case. Its that second bit you seem to be missing.

Youre making the assumption the strangulation marks were determined by a medical professional and not the arresting officers. (Which, frankly, they probably werent.) As someone who has actually BEEN THROUGH such an examination by the police, its not as clear cut and infallible as you seem to think.

you dont seem to realize how much of your totally set in stone stance is based entirely on your assumptions about every part of this incident and the processes surrounding it.

My opinion was "He accidentally hospitalized her because she tried to grab his phone" is a dumb take.

You're picking apart everything we know happened in order to present it in a way that could potentially be seen in a light where he's innocent despite it looking obvious to everyone, including you apparently as you keep saying, that it looks really fucking bad.

I don't think I'm the one with an agenda.

Do I know if he did it? No. Do I think he did it? 1000%

If I walked into a room and saw a guy with bloody hands and a knife next to a dead guy, I'd say we should get all the evidence before we convict him, but would I think he did it? Well...

dancing_cactuar posted...

People already did that. Then more came out in form of this text message.

And the more just muddies it even more. We almost have even less info than before.

WalkingLobsters posted...

do you think he beat her?

I dont think he did or didnt because I dont have the info to make that determination. Wild concept, I know.

ArchNemo posted...

My opinion was "He accidentally hospitalized her because she tried to grab his phone" is a dumb take.

The origin of the phone call was her passing out and collapsing. We don't know what caused that.

ArchNemo posted...

My opinion was "He accidentally hospitalized her because she tried to grab his phone" is a dumb take.

You're picking apart everything we know happened in order to present it in a way that could potentially be seen in a light where he's innocent despite it looking obvious to everyone, including you apparently as you keep saying, that it looks really fucking bad.

I don't think I'm the one with an agenda.

Do I know if he did it? No. Do I think he did it? 1000%

If I walked into a room and saw a guy with bloody hands and a knife next to a dead guy, I'd say we should get all the evidence before we convict him, but would I think he did it? Well...

Right, and when the actual investigators find out someone else killed the guy and put the knife in his hands, youre going to look real dumb for making all the assumptions you did. Which they didnt, because theyre not armchair internet crime solvers.

This Majors thing is even less of a stretch than that situation and that one is still possible and happens all the time.

Holy shit why did they even release this? It makes him look worse. Lots of keywords that sound like the equivalent of "I fell and got these bruises".

Zonbei posted...

I dont think he did or didnt because I dont have the info to make that determination. Wild concept, I know.

This isn't a courtroom, it's a message board, and you can have an opinion on something without saying it's definitively a fact. He asked you if, based on the evidence we currently have, you think he did it. But you won't answer, because you know that it looks like he did it, especially when evidence from his own lawyer makes him look worse. But like Ankha already pointed out, you are determined to make it look like her fault.

Again, nobody is saying to crucify him yet, but to go out of your way to say "I know it looks like he did it, but here are several unrealistic scenarios to show how he might not have" it paints you in a bad light.

Zonbei posted...

Right, and when the actual investigators find out someone else killed the guy and put the knife in his hands, youre going to look real dumb for making all the assumptions you did. Which they didnt, because theyre not armchair internet crime solvers.

This Majors thing is even less of a stretch than that situation and that one is still possible and happens all the time.

Oh, like "when" they find out Majors didn't do this, not "if"

Tell me more about how I'm the one who has already decided what happened?

IfGodCouldDie posted...

The origin of the phone call was her passing out and collapsing. We don't know what caused that.

I mean, don't we? Do you think they just decided to add that she was strangled to the incident report for funsies? Or do you think it's more likely someone noticed visible strangulation marks?

Zonbei posted...

I dont think he did or didnt because I dont have the info to make that determination. Wild concept, I know.

Schrdingers abuse

ArchNemo posted...

I mean, don't we? Do you think they just decided to add that she was strangled to the incident report for funsies? Or do you think it's more likely someone noticed visible strangulation marks?

I don't fucking know. Thats the problem. I've been involved in and known people involved in a variety of situations that have looked terrible for a person that did no wrong. Like I get people saying that she sounds like an abuse victim because it would be very easy to assert that because unfortunately abuse victims do sound like people that are just defending their abusers. But the problem i have with making that assertion prior to concrete evidence being presented is that it actually takes agency away from her.

ArchNemo posted...

This isn't a courtroom, it's a message board, and you can have an opinion on something without saying it's definitively a fact. He asked you if, based on the evidence we currently have, you think he did it. But you won't answer, because you know that it looks like he did it, especially when evidence from his own lawyer makes him look worse. But like Ankha already pointed out, you are determined to make it look like her fault.

Again, nobody is saying to crucify him yet, but to go out of your way to say "I know it looks like he did it, but here are several unrealistic scenarios to show how he might not have" it paints you in a bad light.

You sure are putting a lot of words in my mouth. I said what I said because its what I meant. I dont have an opinion on what thing factually took place because I cant know. My opinion is that everybody is jumping to conclusions.

Zonbei posted...

And the more just muddies it even more.

From your perspective. I was someone who decided to give Majors benefit of the doubt after hearing a retraction and all the people saying he was an asshole privating their accounts and deleting tweets, but then we get these text messages which sound real similar to shit I had to deal with my whole fucking life growing up listening to my parents abuse and manipulate each other with nearly every other tactic in the book, and then my opinion changed.

Yes this reaction is proving why amber heard almost got away with it.

If this chick's posted texts that show majors saying "it's not your fault im sorry, they saw we had a fight i told them it wasn't you" do you think eveyeone would be saying "nah he was forced into saying that"

Heck no they wouldn't lol.

Innocent until proven guilty. This changes nothing. Talk to mr when we get photos, a video, something legit because this is an unreliable narrator narrating one side of events and incriminating herself in them with literslly no response from the accused.

dancing_cactuar posted...

From your perspective. I was someone who decided to give Majors benefit of the doubt after hearing a retraction and all the people saying he was an asshole privating their accounts and deleting tweets, but then we get these text messages which sound real similar to shit I had to deal with my whole fucking life growing up listening to my parents abuse and manipulate each other with nearly every other tactic in the book, and then my opinion changed.

As I told you before "it kinda sounds like something I heard from a different person x years ago" isn't evidence lol.

Amber heard texts had all the hallmarks of abuse victims too. Because she knew what she was doing and how to sway public opinion on her side. She knew exactly what to post, say, and show.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

I don't fucking know. Thats the problem. I've been involved in and known people involved in a variety of situations that have looked terrible for a person that did no wrong. Like I get people saying that she sounds like an abuse victim because it would be very easy to assert that because unfortunately abuse victims do sound like people that are just defending their abusers. But the problem i have with making that assertion prior to concrete evidence being presented is that it actually takes agency away from her.

I didn't ask if you knew, I asked what sounds more likely. I think everyone understands that if there's a 75% chance something happened and a 25% chance it didn't, that doesn't mean it definitely happened.

So, in this situation, taking the context of the situation and reading those texts do you think it's more likely that an unaffiliated third party said "I'm gonna write he strangled her for funsies" which would have been easy to corroborate by checking her for marks, or at some point between speaking to police, doctors, and nurses somebody noticed she had strangulation marks and added that to the report?

ArchNemo posted...

I didn't ask if you knew, I asked what sounds more likely. I think everyone understands that if there's a 75% chance something happened and a 25% chance it didn't, that doesn't mean it definitely happened.

No, everyone doesn't understand that lmfao

Toonstrack posted...

Yes this reaction is proving why amber heard almost got away with it.

If this chick's posted texts that show majors saying "it's not your fault im sorry, they saw we had a fight i told them it wasn't you" do you think eveyeone would be saying "nah he was forced into saying that"

Heck no they wouldn't lol.

Innocent until proven guilty. This changes nothing. Talk to mr when we get photos, a video, something legit because this is an unreliable narrator narrating one side of events and incriminating herself in them with literslly no response from the accused.

Can you point me to the part where Johnny Depps own lawyers posted evidence that basically amounted to "She admits she started it by trying to grab his phone"

Like, you do realize these people's only job is to prove Majors is innocent and the best they could do is texts that look like they're clearly written by an abuse victim and "look she started it by grabbing for his phone"

Let that sink in.

Toonstrack posted...

No, everyone doesn't understand that lmfao

Oh, I'll try to explain it to you like this:

Do you know how sometimes in a video game it says "75% chance to hit" but then you don't hit? It's kinda like that.

I'm tired of this culture where people are too scared to read between the lines and like to play dumb and taking shit at face value

ArchNemo posted...

Can you point me to the part where Johnny Depps own lawyers posted evidence that basically amounted to "She admits she started it by trying to grab his phone"

Depps lawyers released her admitting to a whole lot worse than that.

Like, you do realize these people's only job is to prove Majors is innocent and the best they could do"

No one said it was the beat they could do. In fact they've claimed to have eyewitness testimony on their side AND video exonerating majors.

Obviously they aren't gonna drop that before the trial. This is the part where we wait to see what happens.

Meanwhile, with litersally nothing to go off of but "it sounds kinda like something I heard in an unrelated situation" I am supposed to conclude that majors:

Forced her to recant her statement whilst on prison somehow, paid her off, the girl is afraid of him (then why did she make a physical aggression of trying to snatch his phone?), etc etc.

Let THAT sink in. Your conclusions don't make any sense.

Its unlikely majors has had any insanctioned contact with her since the incident whicg means there's no way he cab pressure her financially without her own lawyer. the lawyer claimed the initial accuser recanted their statement way before this came out and that turned our to be true.

The woman also admits to lying to officers in these texts.

If she was so terrified of majors why did she make a violent aggressive advance to take his phone? Why would majors call the police and put himself in this situation. If he had her under his thumb?

Doesn't add up because we don't have a full picture. Not even close.

Toonstrack posted...

As I told you before "it kinda sounds like something I heard from a different person x years ago"

Try "sounds almost exactly like something I witnessed directly less than a week ago between two people", saw my folks recently and they were still like that, and some shit was said real on the nose with this text.

ArchNemo posted...

Oh, I'll try to explain it to you like this:

Do you know how sometimes in a video game it says "75% chance to hit" but then you don't hit? It's kinda like that.

I didny say *i* don't understand it. But there's a Lotta idiots in this world. You're giving the general populace way too much credit.

dancing_cactuar posted...

Try "sounds almost exactly like something I witnessed directly less than a week ago between two people", saw my folks recently and they were still like that, and some shit was said real on the nose with this text.

So yeah like I said.

This is gonna blow your mind but this actually happens a lot. I have family where the woman has gone for a phone or physically attacked a man, no charges were filed and no police were called. I have had my own parents call the cops on each other destroy each others property and say all kinds of things to officials some of which were ture and some of which weren't. I've seen and heard witness of different kinds of abuse multiple times not even just in my family. Claims of infidelity, true and false, kids being taken away and snuck into another state by one parent while the other was none the wiser.

I've seen plenty.

Thats not evidence of anything other than relationships can be troubled and ugly at times. Theres a whole lot more to this story I guarantee you.

Toonstrack posted...

If she was so terrified of majors why did she make a violent aggressive advance to take his phone?

"I grabbed your phone" suddenly became "violent, aggressive advance to take his phone" but I'm the one making things up? Lol.

Like I said, Majors lawyers best attempt to try to defend their client is so bad, that literally saying nothing would have been a better choice.

Also it's funny how you're bringing up eyewitness testimony and video we also haven't seen as proof that he didn't do it, while saying people who are using evidence that has been released have nothing to go off of. Evidence that apparently completely exohonerates him and would make a trial unnecessary in the first place, they're apparently going to wait to bust out at the 11th hour like a Phoenix Wright game.

Also nobody is saying he personally forced her so dunno where you're getting that from.

ArchNemo posted...

I didn't ask if you knew, I asked what sounds more likely. I think everyone understands that if there's a 75% chance something happened and a 25% chance it didn't, that doesn't mean it definitely happened.

So, in this situation, taking the context of the situation and reading those texts do you think it's more likely that an unaffiliated third party said "I'm gonna write he strangled her for funsies" which would have been easy to corroborate by checking her for marks, or at some point between speaking to police, doctors, and nurses somebody noticed she had strangulation marks and added that to the report?

Have we received verifiable proof from these medical examiners yet? Maybe I've missed that the people that treated her have come out and said this specifically or that she has released the medical documents proving they treated her for strangulation. If I have I'll have a lot less skepticism towards this being more vague than I currently think it is.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

If I have I'll have a lot less skepticism towards this being more vague than I currently think it is.

No you wouldn't. If the video they have shows the victim casually grabbing for the phone and Majors choking the shit out her you'll be in here going "See! She got physical first! She shouldn't have instigated!"

It happens literally every time a topic like this comes up.

Like I said, they didn't randomly decide to add that he strangled her for no reason. Especially when it'd be incredibly easy to verify.

ArchNemo posted...

No you wouldn't. If the video they have shows the victim casually grabbing for the phone and Majors choking the shit out her you'll be in here going "See! She got physical first! She shouldn't have instigated!"

It happens literally every time a topic like this comes up.

Like I said, they didn't randomly decide to add that he strangled her for no reason. Especially when it'd be incredibly easy to verify.

So we are back to you just having already made up your mind about people with no proof. Have a good night.