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Doe
03/15/23 10:24:39 PM
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The new chapter shatters the entire understanding of the continuity.

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Irony
03/15/23 10:37:49 PM
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Let me know when it's done so I can binge it

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Doe
03/15/23 10:44:55 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/0/2/AAcZIZAAESGO.png

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WingsOfGood
03/15/23 10:49:34 PM
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who is the person tho
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MarbyIsBack
03/15/23 10:50:58 PM
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WingsOfGood posted...
who is the person tho
Haven't read it myself yet but if I had to guess from context provided in both the image and TC's post itself, I'd say Araki himself.

I'm a bit curious to see who it is too, though. See whether I'm right or not. If I am, then that IS kind of a mind fuck.

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Doe
03/15/23 10:51:38 PM
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WingsOfGood posted...
who is the person tho
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WingsOfGood
03/15/23 10:51:57 PM
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lol funny
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Balnazarr
03/15/23 10:52:21 PM
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MarbyIsBack posted...
Haven't read it myself yet but if I had to guess from context provided in both the image and TC's post itself, I'd say Araki himself.

Its Rohan Kisihibe. Who we guess survived the universe being reset?
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WingsOfGood
03/15/23 10:52:47 PM
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Doe posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/1/2/AAcZIZAAESGY.jpg

oh not araki

is this same Rohan before world reset? did he retain himself?
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Doe
03/15/23 10:53:26 PM
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WingsOfGood posted...
oh not araki

is this same Rohan before world reset? did he retain himself?
that's the thing. This is the design he uses for Thus Spoke Kishibe Rohan which featured Koichi and Okuyasu

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WingsOfGood
03/15/23 10:54:06 PM
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sweet

maybe he heaven's door himself before reset and wrote cannot be reset or some bs
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MarbyIsBack
03/15/23 10:54:52 PM
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Balnazarr posted...
Its Rohan Kisihibe. Who we guess survived the universe being reset?
Ahhh. I actually didn't know that people thought he might've survived. Actually, I've only seen up to the end of Part 5 and a little bit of Part 6 (though I already knew about the whole universe-resetting thing being a thing), so I'm not really too familiar with any of the new continuity.

...Guess I should gtfo of this topic then, lol. Before I get super spoiled on some shit.

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Doe
03/15/23 10:56:51 PM
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the thing is it's generally understood that og and SBR+ are just separate continuities, not ado with Made in Heaven. But this makes it weird

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WingsOfGood
03/15/23 10:57:57 PM
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him doing some weird bs would make sense to be honest

him being able to write manga super fast during made in heaven was a funny joke but also made no sense
maybe this explores that
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WingsOfGood
03/15/23 10:59:01 PM
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what if this is like a "same type of stand" moment like Jotaro and Dio

cause the name heaven in both stand
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Solar_Crimson
03/15/23 11:01:26 PM
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Irony posted...
Let me know when it's done so I can binge it
You might be waiting a good decade. It took 10 years for Jojolion to finish.

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Irony
03/15/23 11:03:22 PM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
You might be waiting a good decade. It took 10 years for Jojolion to finish.
*shrugs*

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GiftedACIII
03/16/23 7:36:43 AM
#18:


The fuck, was this leaked somewhere? It says there's still a couple hours until chapter 2 comes out.

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GiftedACIII
03/16/23 2:50:37 PM
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Ok read it, cool surprise but at face value it's just SBR verse Rohan who happens to look the same. The most shocking return is that those cops returned and are still on the force.

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Jerry_Hellyeah
03/16/23 3:08:28 PM
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I would LOVE LLOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE to see the two universes connected. I dont really understand why they didnt bend part 6 to make that work. It was 95% there already.

SBR and Jojolion are too good to exist in a world where Joseph Joestar never existed.

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s0nicfan
03/16/23 3:11:45 PM
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Jerry_Hellyeah posted...
I would LOVE LLOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE to see the two universes connected. I dont really understand why they didnt bend part 6 to make that work. It was 95% there already.

SBR and Jojolion are too good to exist in a world where Joseph Joestar never existed.

IIRC Araki ended part 6 the way he did because he explicitly wanted a hard reset. He didn't want to be burdened by established continuity in future parts and thought a hard reset was the best way.

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WingsOfGood
03/16/23 3:12:44 PM
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Jerry_Hellyeah posted...
I would LOVE LLOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE to see the two universes connected. I dont really understand why they didnt bend part 6 to make that work. It was 95% there already.

SBR and Jojolion are too good to exist in a world where Joseph Joestar never existed.

Just need an op stand that makes it happen
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TMOG
03/16/23 3:14:24 PM
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GiftedACIII posted...
Ok read it, cool surprise but at face value it's just SBR verse Rohan who happens to look the same. The most shocking return is that those cops returned and are still on the force.
People are saying that it's the same Rohan design that he uses for Thus Spoke Kishibe Rohan, which is set in the original continuity. So it doesn't look like this is an alternate-universe version of the character, but somehow still the same guy. Possibly some Heaven's Door shenanigans.

Also consider that during the first reset at the end of Part 6, it was established that Rohan still existed and was still doing manga, so he didn't get reset along with the universe the first time.
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Jerry_Hellyeah
03/16/23 3:16:34 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
IIRC Araki ended part 6 the way he did because he explicitly wanted a hard reset. He didn't want to be burdened by established continuity in future parts and thought a hard reset was the best way.

Then why? Why have the universe reset if you're just gonna ignore THAT universe reset for another "offscreen"?

That's the part I dont get. I mean, even the common explanation that SBR was supposed to be something non-Jojo is ridiculous, seeing how quickly we start the same old song and dance up again. That just leaves the part 6 reset as a big fart cloud, sitting there.

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ViewtifulJoe
03/16/23 3:17:44 PM
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Wasn't there that weird Jorge Joestar novel where Rohan tanks the world resetting by being incredibly invested in his manga writing? Is that canon now?

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s0nicfan
03/16/23 3:25:17 PM
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Jerry_Hellyeah posted...
Then why? Why have the universe reset if you're just gonna ignore THAT universe reset for another "offscreen"?

That's the part I dont get. I mean, even the common explanation that SBR was supposed to be something non-Jojo is ridiculous, seeing how quickly we start the same old song and dance up again. That just leaves the part 6 reset as a big fart cloud, sitting there.

Rohan is a bit of an exception because as the official author self-insert we shouldn't assume Rohan is bound by the same rules as everyone else in terms of resets.

But more fundamentally, if we assume the reset was so Araki wasn't bound by the past, that doesn't mean he hates his old characters and won't ever look for a way to bring them back. Half the reason he writes JoJo in parts is so he can do whatever he feels like doing without trying to write a 100 volume story. If you're frustrated because some past reset may be partially undone by this current stuff then you're already far too invested in connecting the parts than Araki is himself.

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mario2000
03/16/23 3:53:40 PM
#27:


Rohan got so sick of Josuke he moved to an entirely new universe.

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MorganTJ
03/16/23 4:06:05 PM
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Somebody whos read SBR more recently might be able to remind me, but didnt Enya read Pocolocos fortune? As in it was just her, no redesign.

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GiftedACIII
03/16/23 4:06:58 PM
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TMOG posted...
People are saying that it's the same Rohan design that he uses for Thus Spoke Kishibe Rohan, which is set in the original continuity. So it doesn't look like this is an alternate-universe version of the character, but somehow still the same guy. Possibly some Heaven's Door shenanigans.

Also consider that during the first reset at the end of Part 6, it was established that Rohan still existed and was still doing manga, so he didn't get reset along with the universe the first time.

Yeah, I'm saying it's SBRverse's Rohan who just happens to physically look the same.

Also your last sentence is the most classic misconception of how the universe reset worked. Nobody who was living got reset in the first universe. The only ones that got replaced were the ones that died. Rohan was only special for being able to still write out manga at a breakneck speed during the speed-up. And there's nothing indicating that Rohan didn't have his memory erased of Part 6's events after the final reset that occurred after Pucci's death either like everyone else besides Emporio.
The "Rohan being able to resist MiH" urban legend was created due to the Jorge Joestar LN that claimed he and Giorno lived through it but that's completely non-canon the LN only had MiH affect Earth which is where the infamous "35 Kars on Mars" came from since every time the Earth reset a new one went into space, which is explicitly not how MiH worked in the actual manga.

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Jerry_Hellyeah
03/16/23 4:09:21 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Rohan is a bit of an exception because as the official author self-insert we shouldn't assume Rohan is bound by the same rules as everyone else in terms of resets.

But more fundamentally, if we assume the reset was so Araki wasn't bound by the past, that doesn't mean he hates his old characters and won't ever look for a way to bring them back. Half the reason he writes JoJo in parts is so he can do whatever he feels like doing without trying to write a 100 volume story. If you're frustrated because some past reset may be partially undone by this current stuff then you're already far too invested in connecting the parts than Araki is himself.

Now come on, its not about being "invested", it's just a weird choice that confuses a nice chunk of the fanbase and tosses away an opportunity to do the same thing in a clean way that has some logic "in-universe".

It's just weird to have a universe reset at the end of one part, and then the next take place in a reset universe, but not THAT reset universe.

Bizarre.

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mario2000
03/16/23 4:14:07 PM
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All I know is if Giorno also shows up I'm gonna shit a saguaro cactus.

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WingsOfGood
03/16/23 4:41:27 PM
#32:


would be cool to see Kars, Rohan and Giorno form an alliance and fight the next JoJo.
I guess Crimson King too since he was stuck in Giorno world but he probably still is
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Kim_Seong-a
03/16/23 8:10:50 PM
#34:


Im not getting my expectations up over this. Rohan is probably my favorite character in all of Jojo, but my instinct is that this is just a fun, silly cameo to kick off the big inciting mission that will lead into the rest of the story.

If there's any connection to the old timeline/Ireneverse I'd be really surprised >_>

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Uta
03/16/23 8:49:44 PM
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Part 7+ isn't a post reset canon, it's its own separate universe. Here's the options that I see for what is happening here. In order of what I consider most and least likely.

1) This Rohan is a "new" character.
1a) Rohan may simply be so peculiar that he has become some sort of universal constant. A person who never changes no matter what universe he's in.
1b) It's just a shitpost and Araki is having fun at our expense.

2) Rohan somehow found a way to bypass dimensions. Major Part 7 Spoiler. If Funny Valentine can do it, there may be more powers capable of it.
2a) No clue if it would be Part 4 Rohan or some sort of post-part 6 Rohan in this case.

3) This is actually the original timeline again and Araki hoodwinked us all.
3a) In this version we could see other beloved characters show up like Giorno.

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Doe
03/16/23 8:52:26 PM
#36:


JoDIO is Giorno tbh

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Uta
03/16/23 9:01:02 PM
#37:


Doe posted...
JoDIO is Giorno tbh
In option 3, no reason he couldn't have had more kids ig.

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Doe
03/16/23 9:04:25 PM
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I more mean that Jodio is spiritually Giorno's reflection. Personally I would be disappointed if Jojolands gets into nostalgia shenanigans because the development of Jodio and the dialogue of the friends have been great these two chapters

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Balnazarr
03/16/23 11:33:44 PM
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Nah Giorno is not really anything like Jodio. Jodio is an ambitious, ruthless, self-interested brat who would resort to thieving and drug dealing to get money and powe
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Doe
03/16/23 11:47:42 PM
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Balnazarr posted...
Nah Giorno is not really anything like Jodio. Jodio is a wannabe gangster selling drugs to kids and wanting to get rich.
I did not say they are the same, I said Jodio is Giorno's reflection. He's clearly an alternative take on a Dio-coded joestar and the gang setting of part 5.

Introducing literal Giorno to the plot would be problematic because, for it to be faithful, he would need to oppose Jodio. And Giorno shouldn't win because Jodio is the narrative center, but introducing Giorno just for him to get beat up is also nonsensical. And if Giorno convinced Jodio that selling drugs is bad, it would be a really boring way to sanitize Jodio's character development.

Giorno doesn't have a lot going on. Ceding pages to draw Giorno just to say, look Giorno is here!, I just cannot imagine a storyline where it would be beneficial to Jojolands. I'm already really skeptical of Rohan's presence, to be honest.

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Uta
03/17/23 2:05:45 AM
#41:


Doe posted...
Introducing literal Giorno to the plot would be problematic because, for it to be faithful, he would need to oppose Jodio. And Giorno shouldn't win because Jodio is the narrative center, but introducing Giorno just for him to get beat up is also nonsensical. And if Giorno convinced Jodio that selling drugs is bad, it would be a really boring way to sanitize Jodio's character development.
They don't need to go that far. He could be older / weaker like Jotaro in Part 6, or just straight up find ways to take them out of action like in, uh, every part that involves a returning character pretty much. Some way to give him screentime without letting him overshadow or detract from Jodio's story. It wouldn't be the first time Araki's done such a thing.

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TMOG
03/18/23 11:03:02 AM
#43:


Just realized that there have been more Jojos from America than anywhere else in the world
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Blue_Dream87
03/18/23 11:06:00 AM
#44:


TMOG posted...
Just realized that there have been more Jojos from America than anywhere else in the world

USA! USA! USA!

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MorganTJ
03/19/23 3:09:56 PM
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TMOG posted...
Just realized that there have been more Jojos from America than anywhere else in the world
It would just be Jolyne, Johnny, and Jodio, wouldn't it? Joseph's from the UK and had just recently moved to America IIRC at the beginning of Part 2. Hence why everyone in the part still refers to him as an Englishman.

If so, Japan also had Jotaro, both Josukes, and Giorno possibly, since all we know is that his mom was Japanese and moved to Italy when she remarried.
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Tyranthraxus
03/19/23 3:19:20 PM
#46:


MorganTJ posted...
It would just be Jolyne, Johnny, and Jodio, wouldn't it? Joseph's from the UK and had just recently moved to America IIRC at the beginning of Part 2. Hence why everyone in the part still refers to him as an Englishman.

If so, Japan also had Jotaro, both Josukes, and Giorno possibly, since all we know is that his mom was Japanese and moved to Italy when she remarried.

I thought Joseph was born in America. Wasn't his father part of the US military?

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TMOG
03/19/23 3:21:47 PM
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MorganTJ posted...
Joseph's from the UK and had just recently moved to America IIRC at the beginning of Part 2.
Oh dang you're right
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MorganTJ
03/19/23 8:20:26 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
I thought Joseph was born in America. Wasn't his father part of the US military?
Nah, he was British Air Force IIRC.
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CyricZ
03/19/23 9:06:45 PM
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That's fucking radical.

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Prestoff
03/20/23 1:09:30 PM
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I just finished reading the chapter. I'm honestly surprised those police officers didn't get anything worst done to them, considering I know how mean spirited the Jojoverse can be to people.... and dogs. How much you bet the explaination for Rohan Kishibe is basically Funny Valentine's "same in every multiverse" deal.

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