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saspa
03/15/23 1:10:05 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GwN0v78q1E

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TheSavageDragon
03/15/23 1:13:58 PM
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Different energy trails for different speedsters isn't a new thing. The show's problem is constantly bringing in new speedsters as heroes and villains.

As for the video itself, the answer is budget. First season Flash you had 2 Arrowverse shows running, as they began to greenlit more and more shows the budgets got smaller and smaller.
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lww99
03/15/23 1:15:18 PM
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Dont worry, s9 is even worse.

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A_Good_Boy
03/15/23 1:17:02 PM
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Are you supposed to see the zippers at the back of their costumes? After that NOW portion of the video they all look like they're wearing super pajamas.

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Axiom
03/15/23 1:17:36 PM
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TheSavageDragon posted...
The show's problem is constantly bringing in new speedsters as heroes and villains.
This is what killed it for me. Every new seasons villain being a speedster got old quick
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TheLiarParadox
03/15/23 1:17:54 PM
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TheSavageDragon posted...
The show's problem is constantly bringing in new speedsters as heroes and villains.
I did a wikipedia retrospective of the show and it's even more absurd than it was watching it in real time. What a mess.

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CommonStar
03/15/23 1:18:12 PM
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The fastest man alive, but always gets knocked down by something stupid and goes into an emotional crisis
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lww99
03/15/23 1:30:17 PM
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Axiom posted...
This is what killed it for me. Every new seasons villain being a speedster got old quick

the problem is non speeders shouldnt really be viable villains.

The thinker was cool though

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0Renegade
03/15/23 1:32:56 PM
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lww99 posted...
the problem is non speeders shouldnt really be viable villains.

The thinker was cool though
the problem is the non speedsters being any sort of threat to barry was because he always conveniently forgot what powers he had to make the villains more credible. Writers just make barry dumber than usual. Like all of season 5

Thinker was cool until he *season 4 spoilers*

Basically became rogue and his big master plan was to have 12 power sets to beat barry. I forgot whatever the fuck he was trying t to do with the satellite.

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TerraSeeker
03/15/23 1:38:58 PM
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0Renegade posted...


Basically became rogue and his big master plan was to have 12 power sets to beat barry. I forgot whatever the fuck he was trying t to do with the satellite.
I think he was trying to reduce everyone's intelligence and make them obedient to him. He thought the best way to solve the world's problems was to take away people's ability to think and make them subservient to him. Since he was so damn brilliant.

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FortuneCookie
03/15/23 1:39:42 PM
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lww99 posted...
Dont worry, s9 is even worse.

On the plus side, it's pretty impressive to make it to 9 seasons.
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saspa
03/18/23 6:03:54 AM
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TheSavageDragon posted...
Different energy trails for different speedsters isn't a new thing. The show's problem is constantly bringing in new speedsters as heroes and villains.

As for the video itself, the answer is budget. First season Flash you had 2 Arrowverse shows running, as they began to greenlit more and more shows the budgets got smaller and smaller.

And are they all JD's older brother in Scrubs?

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TheSavageDragon
03/19/23 6:11:45 AM
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saspa posted...
And are they all JD's older brother in Scrubs?

No, only Reverse Flash...depending on which point from the timeline he's from.
The other speedster villains in that clip are Godspeed and Savitar
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SomeLikeItHoth
03/19/23 6:23:12 AM
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lww99 posted...
the problem is non speeders shouldnt really be viable villains.

The thinker was cool though
At least Savitar had a reason to bide his time. He needed a certain event to happen in order to be born. The other villains took 20 episodes to do something that should have happened in 2 or 3 episodes.

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TheSavageDragon
03/19/23 6:59:32 AM
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SomeLikeItHoth posted...
At least Savitar had a reason to bide his time. He needed a certain event to happen in order to be born. The other villains took 20 episodes to do something that should have happened in 2 or 3 episodes.

Like The Red Death in the current season. Despises The Flash, basically wants to rule the world. She has multiple chances to straight up murder a powerless Flash and doesn't try to until he is at full power again. Not even a weak justification like "I want you to suffer knowing I rule the world" or anything like that
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alfred_ashford
03/19/23 8:51:58 AM
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TerraSeeker posted...
I think he was trying to reduce everyone's intelligence and make them obedient to him. He thought the best way to solve the world's problems was to take away people's ability to think and make them subservient to him. Since he was so damn brilliant.

That is actually what the government and corporations have been doing to us. And it seems to be working.

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Compsognathus
03/19/23 9:00:28 AM
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The lightning bolts are the worst thing about modern Flash.

And there is a lot wrong with modern Flash so that's saying something.

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saspa
03/20/23 3:48:53 PM
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Compsognathus posted...
The lightning bolts are the worst thing about modern Flash.

And there is a lot wrong with modern Flash so that's saying something.

What's wrong with lightning bolts

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Compsognathus
03/20/23 3:52:41 PM
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That basically every fight for like the last 3-4 seasons has become just characters shooting lightning at each other. Like punching, kicking, and the like basically doesn't happen. Just various colored lightning blast.

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RchHomieQuanChi
03/20/23 3:54:53 PM
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Comparing the current state of the Flash to Power Rangers is an insult at this point

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Chicken
03/20/23 3:55:16 PM
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At some point they just use lightsabers I think

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DisgracefulSins
03/20/23 3:59:09 PM
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That's the biggest issue with the CW shows in general. They start strong, then they make it go on for too long, spread and cut back on the budget, and let the shows suffer over the long term.

The CW didn't need to have like 7 super hero shows all running at the same time. They should have just focused on 2 or 3. Arrow and Flash definitely suffered once they cranked out more and more.

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Doe
03/20/23 4:01:02 PM
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This is the problem with writing speedsters in a traditional action setting. Particularly in live action. How are you supposed to show Quicksilver-style scenes of how cool and invincible super speed is, and then still create credible threats for the speedster? Pretty much the only option to make combat work is more speedsters. Which means the hero's speedster powers are void.

JoJo gave a villain speedster powers and portrayed it as an apocalyptic end of the world ability. And that's how it really is. Superspeed done cool beats almost any other power.

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Gobstoppers12
03/20/23 4:01:05 PM
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Compsognathus posted...
That basically every fight for like the last 3-4 seasons has become just characters shooting lightning at each other. Like punching, kicking, and the like basically doesn't happen. Just various colored lightning blast.
Man, I've been telling myself to go back and pick up The Flash again, but this post makes me glad I never did. The last season I watched was the one with Cicada, and I thought it was actually pretty good. The Thawne plot line was pretty cool, and Nora was a good character imo....

It had its issues, obviously, but I still enjoyed it. The biggest problem is (and with CW shows, has always been) the constant treadmill of "You lied to me about this, so we're mad at each other now" "but actually we love each other so we'll promise to be honest from now on" "oh no I have to lie to <my lover/friend/parent/child> about something again, time to be mad at each other for four more episodes"

There are ways to write great stories without garbage soap opera drama. I know that the CW has to keep its target audience happy, but it really does make the shows in the Arrowverse suffer terribly. And it only got worse as time went on and the writers ran out of fresh takes.

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RchHomieQuanChi
03/20/23 4:12:19 PM
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Doe posted...
This is the problem with writing speedsters in a traditional action setting. Particularly in live action. How are you supposed to show Quicksilver-style scenes of how cool and invincible super speed is, and then still create credible threats for the speedster? Pretty much the only option to make combat work is more speedsters. Which means the hero's speedster powers are void.

You just need villains whose powersets can either impede movement, disorient people or alter terrain.

I think Flash has a villain named Vertigo who can literally make him dizzy, which would throw off his movement. Captain Cold can make the floor slippery, Mirror Master can use mirror trickery to throw Flash off.,

Plus, S1 always brought up how Barry needs to eat A LOT due to his high metabolism so maybe a more strategic sort of villain could take advantage of that.

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saspa
03/20/23 4:19:24 PM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Comparing the current state of the Flash to Power Rangers is an insult at this point

Yeah but an insult to whom

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Medussa
03/20/23 4:24:51 PM
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Unlimited power!!!

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Doe
03/20/23 4:33:33 PM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Captain Cold can make the floor slippery, Mirror Master can use mirror trickery to throw Flash off
These are f-tier bozos if a writer is taking speedforce seriously. These guys could function against a tame speedster or with the aid of unserious writing, but peak Flash nukes them.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...
I think Flash has a villain named Vertigo who can literally make him dizzy, which would throw off his movement
Sure, but incapacitating the hero is not a functional challenge of their powers. It neutralizes them similar to how matching them against a speedster neutralizes them. That's the thing with Speedsters, writers always come back to "Oh wait they can't actually use super speed or they nuke."

RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Plus, S1 always brought up how Barry needs to eat A LOT due to his high metabolism so maybe a more strategic sort of villain could take advantage of that.
Again, "Oh no Flash didn't eat Wendy's so he can't go super fast anymore!" I mean compare to Batman. Batman doesn't have a big gallery of rogues whose function is to employ ways that Batman can't throw batarangs or use tech or glide.

I guess this all boils down to "don't write a character who can move and think so fast that you need to stop him from moving and thinking that fast for your story to work."

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Compsognathus
03/20/23 4:38:36 PM
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It's worth noting that people like Captain Cold, Mirror Master, Captain Boomerang and the like don't actually try to beat the Flash. They know they can't actually win. Their goal is to commit a crime and then distract Flash long enough to bail. Almost always as a team.

The villains who actually provide honest to goodness threats against the Flash directly are people like Thawn, Zoom, and Grodd. Serious high tier villains.

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Doe
03/20/23 4:44:04 PM
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That does sound better.

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Compsognathus
03/20/23 4:55:53 PM
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Also while the Rogues really can't hope to stand a chance against the Flash they absolutely clown on lesser powered people.

Like Mirror Master absolutely just wrecked Batman. As he put it, compared to fighting the Flash it felt like his opponent was in slow motion.

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RchHomieQuanChi
03/20/23 8:31:26 PM
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saspa posted...
Yeah but an insult to whom

Power Rangers had a pretty good season recently it seems, so much so they're bringing the cast back.

Doe posted...
Sure, but incapacitating the hero is not a functional challenge of their powers. It neutralizes them similar to how matching them against a speedster neutralizes them. That's the thing with Speedsters, writers always come back to "Oh wait they can't actually use super speed or they nuke."

That's kinda how speedsters need to work. Super speed IS one of the most busted powers in fiction (especially the way it's written in Flash comics) so the challenge for writers is finding unique ways for villains to hinder/neutralize it OR create situations that require the hero to think outside of the box with their super speed.

Speedsters are supposed to be glass cannons. Insanely powerful, but easy to take out if you can figure out how to work around their gimmick.

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Tom_Joad
03/20/23 8:38:03 PM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Plus, S1 always brought up how Barry needs to eat A LOT due to his high metabolism so maybe a more strategic sort of villain could take advantage of that.

Mr. Smart replaces all of Flash's food with diet substitutes.

Flash dies in hospital 2 hours later.

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Doe
03/20/23 9:07:06 PM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
That's kinda how speedsters need to work.
And that's why I'm not a fan of most of their portrayals. That idea is just a lot better suited to an antagonist than the hero. I mean, I'd rather see people overcome a nearly impossible challenge once rather than see some people ALMOST overcome the impossible challenge but fail every scenario.


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TMOG
03/20/23 9:15:48 PM
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IMO the show was at its peak when Team Flash actually did things in the field to provide support. Vibe, Killer Frost, and Elongated Man out there doing things that the Flash isn't able to do or isn't around to do. It really emphasized how "the team is stronger than the individual" was the core message of the show, and allowed for some better and more creative fight scenes than "Barry go fast".

You can pretty much pinpoint the moment The Flash died as a show as when Cisco gave his powers up and left, only to be replaced by some annoying streamer guy whose only function on the team was to cheerlead and bang some girl who I kept forgetting even existed because she somehow managed to do even less.
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DrizztLink
03/20/23 9:18:01 PM
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TMOG posted...
You can pretty much pinpoint the moment The Flash died as a show as when Cisco gave his powers up
Alternatively, you can start hearing the death knell when fuckin' everybody started sprouting superpowers.

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Unsuprised_Pika
03/20/23 9:19:29 PM
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Doe posted...
This is the problem with writing speedsters in a traditional action setting. Particularly in live action. How are you supposed to show Quicksilver-style scenes of how cool and invincible super speed is, and then still create credible threats for the speedster? Pretty much the only option to make combat work is more speedsters. Which means the hero's speedster powers are void.

JoJo gave a villain speedster powers and portrayed it as an apocalyptic end of the world ability. And that's how it really is. Superspeed done cool beats almost any other power.

Just paint a tunnel on a rock wall boom speedster is done for.

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Punished_Blinx
03/20/23 9:21:23 PM
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I like how in The Flash he can run through the entire city to find a bomb in time but a villain who ran around the corner while he was on the ground is just too far gone.

Unsuprised_Pika posted...
Just paint a tunnel on a rock wall boom speedster is done for.

That depends. Does Roadrunner use the Speedforce?

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TMOG
03/20/23 9:21:52 PM
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DrizztLink posted...
Alternatively, you can start hearing the death knell when fuckin' everybody started sprouting superpowers.
Eh, Cisco's powers were foreshadowed back in season one, and Caitlyn's in season two. I kind of don't have a problem with them getting powers especially since they were at Ground Zero for the dark matter explosion that gave Barry his.

I'd also say that in a show focused on the fastest person alive, he needs superpowered bad guys to go up against or else every episode is going to end... uh... very quickly. Arrow could get away with street level villains carrying a season because Oliver himself was kind of a street level hero, but for The Flash they needed to step it up and give him bigger threats.
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Punished_Blinx
03/20/23 9:23:11 PM
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They chickened out with Caitlyn didn't they? Isn't Killer Frost one of his big villains? In the show she was a split personality who ended up helping out anyway when I watched lol

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Octans
03/20/23 9:28:33 PM
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Wait those are the same show?

That's bad. That's really bad.

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Scarecrow17
03/20/23 9:35:40 PM
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Punished_Blinx posted...
They chickened out with Caitlyn didn't they? Isn't Killer Frost one of his big villains? In the show she was a split personality who ended up helping out anyway when I watched lol

Nah, Killer Frost is a villain for the hero, Firestorm. Captain Cold is Flashs ice themed villain. They didnt really chicken out with this version of Killer Frost. Caitlyn Snow was never really the murderous villain like other Killer Frosts(multiple women have assumed this villain identity). Caitlyn was always more interested in finding a cure for her condition.

I think in current comics, Caitlyn is a member of the Justice League of America.

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IronWolf87
03/20/23 9:40:57 PM
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Damn, they forgot they had superspeed and instead specced into sith lighting.
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saspa
03/23/23 2:07:24 AM
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I see what you guys mean now.

Early Flash: some actual fight scenes where punches are thrown

Late Flash: star wars esque lightning zaps with multi colors

I get if it's a budget thing but they could just wrap up the show...

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pegusus123456
03/23/23 2:24:48 AM
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Doe posted...
This is the problem with writing speedsters in a traditional action setting. Particularly in live action. How are you supposed to show Quicksilver-style scenes of how cool and invincible super speed is, and then still create credible threats for the speedster? Pretty much the only option to make combat work is more speedsters. Which means the hero's speedster powers are void.
Agents of SHIELD has a good take on a speedster hero, I think. She has the traditional superspeed, but she can only do it for the span of one heartbeat before she snaps back to her original position. So she can disarm a room full of people, but she isn't completely broken.

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CM_Ponch
03/23/23 3:14:27 AM
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I have a lot of issues with the show

1. Introduced Rogues in season 1 and made great use of them, but they became so popular CW out them on a spinoff and made them heroes. This takes away 90% of The Flash's rogues

2. Season 2 introduced a bunch of characters via E2 and killed them off the same episode

3. Being tied to the CWverse and being forced to use Batwoman instead of Batman and similar examples

4. Became more focused on relationships no one asked for like Frost and her jabroni of a bf

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pegusus123456
03/23/23 3:16:18 AM
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CM_Ponch posted...
3. Being tied to the CWverse and being forced to use Batwoman instead of Batman and similar examples
Red Death should have been Oliver.

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SuperShake666
03/23/23 3:17:59 AM
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Fuck the Speed Force.

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pegusus123456
03/23/23 3:19:26 AM
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SuperShake666 posted...
Fuck the Speed Force.
Gross, that's his daughter.

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CM_Ponch
03/23/23 3:57:14 AM
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pegusus123456 posted...
Red Death should have been Oliver.
That would have been great

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