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wallmasterz
03/14/23 12:56:53 PM
#51:


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Of Mice and Ben

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wallmasterz
03/14/23 1:00:00 PM
#54:


One thing Dumey did I found interesting was offering to hammer Isquen in case he was a bomb. I mean if youre scum, you know its harmless and in fact helping to achieve your goal. It feels like something scum would do trying to earn town points.

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wallmasterz
03/14/23 1:00:18 PM
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lmao

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ctesjbuvf
03/14/23 1:00:46 PM
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I am not trying to ignore you. I think its evident Im not ignoring you even if Ive missed a question along the way. I am trying to juggle work, family and keeping up with this game. I think youre scum and I feel like youre trying to keep me busy defending myself instead of building a case against you. Yet I am still trying to answer your questions and its only fair to do so. I still dont understand why my response about jc and the list wasnt good enough for you and I also admitted Im capable of being wrong.

Because it just doesn't add up with where you had supposedly read to yet it's what you gave me. I'm trying to follow the thought process of a town and I don't understand it. I don't think it's evident at all, I let you build your case, yesterday as well, but when you then start to respond to other stuff including repeating yourself it reads as if you do not care to answer. And while work and family obviously comes first, it's very inconsistent with your attack on Ulti day 2.

It's not like I'm asking you of what much either, basically just explaining yourself.

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wallmasterz
03/14/23 1:01:16 PM
#57:


Lea, lets say youre not scum. How open are you to the possibility one of Han and Dumey is scum? And if you had to hammer today and lynch one, who would it be?

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wallmasterz
03/14/23 1:06:10 PM
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Ctes I am not 100% convinced youre scum. But I know Im not scum. And theres a lot of things you have said or done that in and of themselves dont mean youre scum, but it feels like they add up to a lot. Like when ulti said hey, maybe all scum is variants, you were like that would be bad meta. Just thats not how I would respond at all. Then you admitted last game had questionable meta in favor of town, but said your point still stands.

If that was me I wouldve said hey Im blah blah flavor claim, Town vigilante. And I know not all scum are variants because Im evidence of it. How you responded reads like a scum slip youd just walk back by saying well of course I was just speaking hypothetically to tell you why ulti is wrong and this cant be the case because its bad meta.

I dunno. Im leaving my vote on you ctes but Ill hunt scum elsewhere for now.

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/14/23 1:07:01 PM
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Is Ben coming in to replace BCT and do his Best BCT impression beacuse he replaced in as scum? And just want to have fun?

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wallmasterz
03/14/23 1:08:18 PM
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I dont currently think ctes and Dumey are both scum but I am trying to not be so focused on ctes, and considering a world where hes town means I do consider Dumey being godfather neighborizer or something a reasonable possibility

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wallmasterz
03/14/23 1:14:12 PM
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Last thing on ctes for now - I think theres no reason to avoid a flavor claim if youre town. This is one thing I havent even mentioned that makes me suspect you. My initial thought was, is there no good character that fits vig on the safe list or something?

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HanOfTheNekos
03/14/23 1:15:35 PM
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I don't think I'm going to have my head wrapped around the possibilities with regards to JC/Ulti without getting home and putting it on paper.

They could both be telling the truth, but that just sets a lot of implications that I have trouble believing altogether. I think the biggest thing is that it would mean Scum has a one-time redirector separate from a one-time unblockable, and that's two roles in addition to Chris's.

Not giving Scum more than an unblockable to counter a BP Doc is cruel. I could buy a full-time redirector, but not a part-time.

And ctes, I never responded, but there is a world of difference between hiding a Cop and hiding a protection role that could clear a lot of things up. Also, that we're saying Town protection is even beefier than BP Doc.

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ctesjbuvf
03/14/23 1:28:25 PM
#65:


wallmasterz posted...
Ctes I am not 100% convinced youre scum. But I know Im not scum. And theres a lot of things you have said or done that in and of themselves dont mean youre scum, but it feels like they add up to a lot. Like when ulti said hey, maybe all scum is variants, you were like that would be bad meta. Just thats not how I would respond at all. Then you admitted last game had questionable meta in favor of town, but said your point still stands.

If that was me I wouldve said hey Im blah blah flavor claim, Town vigilante. And I know not all scum are variants because Im evidence of it. How you responded reads like a scum slip youd just walk back by saying well of course I was just speaking hypothetically to tell you why ulti is wrong and this cant be the case because its bad meta.

I dunno. Im leaving my vote on you ctes but Ill hunt scum elsewhere for now.

Assuming you mean all power roles when you say all scum, I said it would be a scum trap. I think repeating my role and stating I'm evidence puts nothing new on the table, like obviously I would never say the opposite that's like BCT stating he is town in defense of any accusation. So the point I can bring to the table there is making you realize that the point built on the premise that setup was constructed in a way so that scum gets punished for faking a claim early, and thus you should consider if that was a reasonable accusation.

It doesn't matter very much that you suspect me, but you're making some fallacies in the progress that I'm trying to discuss with you partially to try to get a read on you. Most notably, you're not really engaging in the conversation despite attacking Ulti for something similar, your reason for townclearing JC did not track with where you said you had reread to, and you linked JC a lot to people yesterday but do not appear to have considered those links when you switched your opinion of JC around. Also when I asked you to explain to me why mine and Ulti's roles were unlikely to coexist, you basically just answered my question with the opposite question. Then when I gave you three reasons as to why they maybe could you didn't answer anymore.

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ctesjbuvf
03/14/23 1:34:29 PM
#66:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
And ctes, I never responded, but there is a world of difference between hiding a Cop and hiding a protection role that could clear a lot of things up. Also, that we're saying Town protection is even beefier than BP Doc.

That's fine but you did get the point I was trying to make, right? I get the differences, but there are still circumstances where I could see it make sense.

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PunishedBen
03/14/23 1:35:07 PM
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I guess what I meant to say was that you getting night killed was one of the big factors in Dumey getting lynch. Scum didn't kill you for that on purpose but town believed that was a reason you were nightlilled. Point is that Dumey would have remembered you Sussed him immediately.

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ctesjbuvf
03/14/23 1:35:41 PM
#68:


My flavor is Miles O'Brien

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PunishedBen
03/14/23 1:35:42 PM
#69:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Is Ben coming in to replace BCT and do his Best BCT impression beacuse he replaced in as scum? And just want to have fun?
Where do you feel I was impersonating BCT?

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ctesjbuvf
03/14/23 1:47:29 PM
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PunishedBen posted...
I guess what I meant to say was that you getting night killed was one of the big factors in Dumey getting lynch.

No way lol.

PunishedBen posted...
Yeah, but Lea? Who soul read Dumey day 1 last game? Lea voted him that day 1 and was basically night killed for it.

You even specifically said night killed.

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PunishedBen
03/14/23 1:48:06 PM
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I'm arguing if it makes more sense for a scum Dumey to target anyone else but you, or even target no one. I'm not ready to make the conclusion until I read everything because I don't even know his reason, if he gave one, for picking you. I just saw that he said it happened near end of day. I'm going to get to that soon as I can

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/14/23 1:48:29 PM
#73:


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I think this is a criminally wrong POE so that doesnt make me feel good about Sultan.

As Ulti said, too many vanilla claims left for all of them to be telling the truth. And you happened to pick the one that I know for sure is vanilla.


Lea also made the jok but @PunishedBen this is what looks BCTish you dont mention me until I had you on my POE

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HanOfTheNekos
03/14/23 1:52:06 PM
#74:


ctesjbuvf posted...
That's fine but you did get the point I was trying to make, right? I get the differences, but there are still circumstances where I could see it make sense.

It honestly just looks like you're trying to distract away from the discussion.

And like, I don't get why? If you believe in a Town redirector, then you think Ulti is Scum, full stop.

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PunishedBen
03/14/23 1:55:21 PM
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Lea also made the jok but @PunishedBen this is what looks BCTish you dont mention me until I had you on my POE
Not true! I have you as "SCUM?" on my list that I posted soon after the day started.

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PunishedBen
03/14/23 1:56:58 PM
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Well for the most part everyone called that a terriblly unwise play. Including me before I did it. So I still think that's not the normal and safe move

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PunishedBen
03/14/23 1:58:03 PM
#78:


Sultan, why did you not claim your role on day 1?

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/14/23 1:58:08 PM
#79:


PunishedBen posted...

7- Sultan - SCUM? Haven't been paying attention to anything from him this game besides the very safe for scum drunk role. Dependent on JC being town.

Ahh so you did


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TheSultanOfSlam
03/14/23 2:02:22 PM
#80:


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Sultan, why did you not claim your role on day 1?

I explained this earlier but I'll exsplain it again. I was not going to claim it to Maybe throw off scum and catch a shot..

I also didn't think JC was town when he claimed so I was like scan me scum and shot me so our other powers can get their stuff off. But it didn't work obviously.
It can fool town or scum as someone who moves.

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/14/23 2:08:18 PM
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UltimaterializerX posted...
I think Sultan is probably scum too if Dumey is town. He claimed well after Justin and the role is so unbelievably convenient as a counter to Justins claim.

How is this a counter claim to Justin when it confirms him to be the an actual tracker? It's not like I claimed that I was a tracker tracker and his weak tracker made no sense??

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ctesjbuvf
03/14/23 2:32:03 PM
#83:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
It honestly just looks like you're trying to distract away from the discussion.

And like, I don't get why? If you believe in a Town redirector, then you think Ulti is Scum, full stop.

I don't think you got what I was trying to say.

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Chaeix
03/14/23 2:36:37 PM
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UltimaterializerX posted...
A 5head possibility:

Mafia has no redirector, Justin is simply their scanner, claimed his real target (me) night 2, lied about targeting Andy entirely, and mafia just shot me directly last night.

Thats a lot of ifs falling in place tho. Occulams Razor says Justin is town.

But mafia usually gets a scanner of some kind.
I kind of think mafia scanner function in this case is reduced to Crescent being a cop who alerts them to her identity, and possibly something from a Jack as an extra if we're considering a Jack now.

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Chaeix
03/14/23 2:42:25 PM
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Does that kind of role really fit into this setup though?

Like I don't think it pairs well with Crescent's role at all. A limited scumteam and, if we're assuming there's a GF by virtue of cop existing, 2 of them that Crescent can't correctly scan?

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Chaeix
03/14/23 2:48:00 PM
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Definitely a possibility, but godfather does specifically pair well with this cop variant.

Honestly I'm surprised nobody's brought up the possibility that I could be the GF yet. I've honestly been thinking since last day that would be the best angle for someone to consider me scum because if I had been scanned by Crescent and she inno scanned me - I'd still be scum who knew she targetted me and could have faked my scan that way.

I just didn't want to introduce it to the discussion and give scum any ideas for angles to come after me with if it could be avoided, but I think given the current discussion it's worth mentioning.

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/14/23 2:52:05 PM
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Chaeix posted...
Definitely a possibility, but godfather does specifically pair well with this cop variant.

Honestly I'm surprised nobody's brought up the possibility that I could be the GF yet. I've honestly been thinking since last day that would be the best angle for someone to consider me scum because if I had been scanned by Crescent and she inno scanned me - I'd still be scum who knew she targetted me and could have faked my scan that way.

I just didn't want to introduce it to the discussion and give scum any ideas for angles to come after me with if it could be avoided, but I think given the current discussion it's worth mentioning.


Why would we think this when you're confirmed Tracker? Unless you're a GodFather tracker. Which interesting.

I got you basically confirmed scum between Ulti's save and my drunk role

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Chaeix
03/14/23 2:54:41 PM
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UltimaterializerX posted...
Im trying to figure out the typo you edited and I cannot find it.
I made a typo where I said "she targetted her" instead of "she targetted me".

The her was a typo from talking about Crescent, not a typo suggesting Lea was targetted, so I changed it.

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Chaeix
03/14/23 2:57:16 PM
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Why would we think this when you're confirmed Tracker? Unless you're a GodFather tracker. Which interesting.

I got you basically confirmed scum between Ulti's save and my drunk role
The point is that I wouldn't need to be any kind of scanner if Crescent scanned me and I was GF. I would know that she moved.

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PunishedBen
03/14/23 2:58:23 PM
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Gosh dangit, wrong topic

Giving everyone a blank slate of suspicion as I re-read.

undefined posted... DUMEY
Hello friends.

I thought about claiming in my first post this game, but ultimately decided against it. So I guess this is me soft claiming that I have something that I thought about claiming with! Digest this as you will.

First post of Dumey's here. I get that if he is scum neighbor he also would have had to make a similar first post to this. But i like this first post. Talking about his plans of what to do before the game started I think is towny. if he was scum then he would have had this conversation on whether to claim or not with fellow scum. I think scum want to avoid talking about that decision. is this a weird leap in justification? I feel like everything I say has that potential because I just like the post for reasons I am having trouble explaining. That was the closest i can get to an explanation. For example, when i am scum I like to pretend that there was no time for pregaming any decisions because that's something scum do

undefined posted... CHRIS
Edumey will you vouch that ulti has caught you here and give up?

Does Chris immediately throw a buddy under the bus like this?

undefined posted... CHRIS
Do you believe this is egg on face or ulti being sinister?

And then he tries to see if he can catch it going the other direction in more questioning that doesn't feel like a scummate talking to a scummate....
These are his first real content posts so to Chris it reads like an exciting prospect. And scum only get excited over killing town

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PunishedBen
03/14/23 3:06:56 PM
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HanOfTheNekos posted...
I agree with not liking Dumey and Sheep.

I like Lea.
I dont like Han's first post, but you're gonna have to give me time to think of why. Maybe its because having your first post be likes and dislikes feels like fake content this early? Maybe its because Crescent and Ulti were the only two he could have been agreeing with and both are (presumably) town? Crescent was the only one to mention Sheep so not even Ulti on that one.

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PunishedBen
03/14/23 3:07:53 PM
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And Lea herself describes why saying I like lea is weird, but han defended that by saying he only likes lea as a person, LOL. Good save

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/14/23 3:11:00 PM
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UltimaterializerX posted...
Hes confirmed scum because he didnt die on the night I saved him?

I ment confirmed town saying scum to much in one sentence is blah

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Chaeix
03/14/23 3:22:51 PM
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lea is in fact bendelacreme confirmed

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/9/4/AAM0NeAAERxy.jpg

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