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XxKrazyChaosxX 03/12/23 11:12:45 PM #154:	I might be alone in this, but I'm hoping season 2 is not part 2. There was a 4 or 5 year time gap between part 1 and part 2. I wouldn't mind seeing them come up with something new for the show with Joel and Ellie before getting to part 2. --- "I woke up at four am by accident in time for the paper to be delivered. Guess what? It's not a kid on a bike, it's a man in a car." - Kevin Malone <cite>XxKrazyChaosxX posted [p:972134324] in Last of Us... [t:80377242]...</cite> <quote>I might be alone in this, but I'm hoping season 2 is not part 2. There was a 4 or 5 year time gap between part 1 and part 2. I wouldn't mind seeing them come up with something new for the show with Joel and Ellie before getting to part 2. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Spiritlittle 03/12/23 11:12:47 PM #155:	Makeveli_lives posted... She literally told him the truth though. --- Official Fujin of the Mortal Kombat 11 board. Trails of Cold Steel is the most underappreciated JRPG series ever. <cite>Spiritlittle posted [p:972134326] in Last of Us... [t:80377242]...</cite> <quote>Makeveli_lives posted... </cite><quote>She literally told him the truth though.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Spiritlittle 03/12/23 11:13:19 PM #156:	XxKrazyChaosxX posted... I might be alone in this, but I'm hoping season 2 is not part 2. There was a 4 or 5 year time gap between part 1 and part 2. I wouldn't mind seeing them come up with something new for the show with Joel and Ellie before getting to part 2. Already confirmed season 2 will adapt part of Part 2, and a 3rd season will finish it. --- Official Fujin of the Mortal Kombat 11 board. Trails of Cold Steel is the most underappreciated JRPG series ever. <cite>Spiritlittle posted [p:972134337] in Last of Us... [t:80377242]...</cite> <quote>XxKrazyChaosxX posted... </cite><quote>I might be alone in this, but I'm hoping season 2 is not part 2. There was a 4 or 5 year time gap between part 1 and part 2. I wouldn't mind seeing them come up with something new for the show with Joel and Ellie before getting to part 2.</quote>Already confirmed season 2 will adapt part of Part 2, and a 3rd season will finish it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 03/12/23 11:13:27 PM #157:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] And again, everyonethat died could have lived. All they had to do was not try to kill Ellie <cite>Zikten posted [p:972134341] in Last of Us... [t:80377242]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> And again, everyonethat died could have lived. All they had to do was not try to kill Ellie </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Spiritlittle 03/12/23 11:14:55 PM #158:	Zikten posted... And again, everyonethat died could have lived. All they had to do was not try to kill Ellie But no. Joel kills everyone. Including people just following orders and the nurses. That's the whole point of the hospital segment and why Abby gets her revenge. A lot of those people were completely innocent. --- Official Fujin of the Mortal Kombat 11 board. Trails of Cold Steel is the most underappreciated JRPG series ever. <cite>Spiritlittle posted [p:972134369] in Last of Us... [t:80377242]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite><quote>And again, everyonethat died could have lived. All they had to do was not try to kill Ellie</quote>But no. Joel kills everyone. Including people just following orders and the nurses.That's the whole point of the hospital segment and why Abby gets her revenge. A lot of those people were completely innocent. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Makeveli_lives 03/12/23 11:15:54 PM #159:	XxKrazyChaosxX posted... I might be alone in this, but I'm hoping season 2 is not part 2. There was a 4 or 5 year time gap between part 1 and part 2. I wouldn't mind seeing them come up with something new for the show with Joel and Ellie before getting to part 2. Neil said he isnt adapting anything not in the games as he doesnt want to be in the situation Game of thrones was in. Hell add and detract and make changes as necessary but hes not telling entirely new stories with the show just because he can. --- Switch FC: SW-3917-4425-6106 PSN: PiKappaPhi769 <cite>Makeveli_lives posted [p:972134393] in Last of Us... [t:80377242]...</cite> <quote>XxKrazyChaosxX posted... </cite><quote>I might be alone in this, but I'm hoping season 2 is not part 2. There was a 4 or 5 year time gap between part 1 and part 2. I wouldn't mind seeing them come up with something new for the show with Joel and Ellie before getting to part 2.</quote>Neil said he isnt adapting anything not in the games as he doesnt want to be in the situation Game of thrones was in. Hell add and detract and make changes as necessary but hes not telling entirely new stories with the show just because he can. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 03/12/23 11:16:38 PM #160:	Spiritlittle posted... But no. Joel kills everyone. Including people just following orders and the nurses. That's the whole point of the hospital segment and why Abby gets her revenge. A lot of those people were completely innocent. They should have disobeyed Marlene's orders. The Nuremberg trials taught us that just following orders isn't an excuse <cite>Zikten posted [p:972134408] in Last of Us... [t:80377242]...</cite> <quote>Spiritlittle posted... </cite><quote>But no. Joel kills everyone. Including people just following orders and the nurses.That's the whole point of the hospital segment and why Abby gets her revenge. A lot of those people were completely innocent.</quote>They should have disobeyed Marlene's orders. The Nuremberg trials taught us that just following orders isn't an excuse</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Makeveli_lives 03/12/23 11:17:10 PM #161:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Ellie said after the fact she wouldve been okay with that if it meant the chance to cure the virus. --- Switch FC: SW-3917-4425-6106 PSN: PiKappaPhi769 <cite>Makeveli_lives posted [p:972134417] in Last of Us... [t:80377242]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> Ellie said after the fact she wouldve been okay with that if it meant the chance to cure the virus. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Punished_Blinx 03/12/23 11:17:30 PM #162:	Zikten posted... And again, everyonethat died could have lived. All they had to do was not try to kill Ellie From their perspective sacrificing Ellie was their only hope for finding a cure. I don't get why people keep trying to act like there's a wrong or right answer. It's an impossible and unfair situation with no middle ground for everyone involved. If Joel was escorting some immune old dude he wouldn't give a shit. --- A Fallen Mascot <cite>Punished_Blinx posted [p:972134423] in Last of Us... [t:80377242]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite><quote>And again, everyonethat died could have lived. All they had to do was not try to kill Ellie</quote>From their perspective sacrificing Ellie was their only hope for finding a cure. I don't get why people keep trying to act like there's a wrong or right answer. It's an impossible and unfair situation with no middle ground for everyone involved. If Joel was escorting some immune old dude he wouldn't give a shit. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Spiritlittle 03/12/23 11:17:34 PM #163:	Zikten posted... They should have disobeyed Marlene's orders. The Nuremberg trials taught us that just following orders isn't an excuse Marlene was trying to save the world. The mass majority of people would have followed her. --- Official Fujin of the Mortal Kombat 11 board. Trails of Cold Steel is the most underappreciated JRPG series ever. <cite>Spiritlittle posted [p:972134425] in Last of Us... [t:80377242]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite><quote>They should have disobeyed Marlene's orders. The Nuremberg trials taught us that just following orders isn't an excuse</quote>Marlene was trying to save the world. The mass majority of people would have followed her.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Makeveli_lives 03/12/23 11:19:03 PM #164:	Zikten posted... They should have disobeyed Marlene's orders. The Nuremberg trials taught us that just following orders isn't an excuse. You comparing killing one girl for a cure to a virus devastating the world to literal Nazis who committed crimes against humanity? They are not the same. --- Switch FC: SW-3917-4425-6106 PSN: PiKappaPhi769 <cite>Makeveli_lives posted [p:972134456] in Last of Us... [t:80377242]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite><quote>They should have disobeyed Marlene's orders. The Nuremberg trials taught us that just following orders isn't an excuse. </quote>You comparing killing one girl for a cure to a virus devastating the world to literal Nazis who committed crimes against humanity? They are not the same. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Punished_Blinx 03/12/23 11:19:14 PM #165:	Spiritlittle posted... Marlene was trying to save the world. The mass majority of people would have followed her. As long as it wasn't their kid yes. --- A Fallen Mascot <cite>Punished_Blinx posted [p:972134459] in Last of Us... [t:80377242]...</cite> <quote>Spiritlittle posted... </cite><quote>Marlene was trying to save the world. The mass majority of people would have followed her.</quote>As long as it wasn't their kid yes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 03/12/23 11:19:17 PM #166:	Spiritlittle posted... Marlene was trying to save the world. The mass majority of people would have followed her. Then they can all die. I dont care about anyone who would kill Ellie. Wipe out every threat. <cite>Zikten posted [p:972134460] in Last of Us... [t:80377242]...</cite> <quote>Spiritlittle posted... </cite><quote>Marlene was trying to save the world. The mass majority of people would have followed her.</quote>Then they can all die. I dont care about anyone who would kill Ellie. Wipe out every threat. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnholyMudcrab 03/12/23 11:19:44 PM #167:	Spiritlittle posted... Marlene was trying to save the world. The mass majority of people would have followed her. Take a step back and think about how utterly ridiculous of a statement this is --- http://i.imgur.com/VeNBg.gif http://i.imgur.com/gd5jC8q.gif http://i.imgur.com/PKIy7.gif http://i.imgur.com/3p29JqP.gif <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:972134471] in Last of Us... [t:80377242]...</cite> <quote>Spiritlittle posted... </cite><quote>Marlene was trying to save the world. The mass majority of people would have followed her.</quote>Take a step back and think about how utterly ridiculous of a statement this is</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Spiritlittle 03/12/23 11:20:51 PM #169:	Zikten posted... Then they can all die. I dont care about anyone who would kill Ellie. Wipe out every threat. So you're selfish and would save one life (who revealed later that she wanted them to go through with the operation) just to keep someone close because you can't deal with your own personal trauma? --- Official Fujin of the Mortal Kombat 11 board. Trails of Cold Steel is the most underappreciated JRPG series ever. <cite>Spiritlittle posted [p:972134491] in Last of Us... [t:80377242]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite><quote>Then they can all die. I dont care about anyone who would kill Ellie. Wipe out every threat.</quote>So you're selfish and would save one life (who revealed later that she wanted them to go through with the operation) just to keep someone close because you can't deal with your own personal trauma?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Makeveli_lives 03/12/23 11:21:14 PM #170:	UnholyMudcrab posted... Take a step back and think about how utterly ridiculous of a statement this is How is it ridiculous? Needs of the many outweighing the needs of the few is a pretty common stance to take on most issues in life. --- Switch FC: SW-3917-4425-6106 PSN: PiKappaPhi769 <cite>Makeveli_lives posted [p:972134500] in Last of Us... [t:80377242]...</cite> <quote>UnholyMudcrab posted... </cite><quote>Take a step back and think about how utterly ridiculous of a statement this is</quote>How is it ridiculous? Needs of the many outweighing the needs of the few is a pretty common stance to take on most issues in life. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Punished_Blinx 03/12/23 11:21:30 PM #172:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] If she said no they aren't going to shrug their shoulders and say "Welp guess we'll just hope we find someone else who is immune. Good luck on your new journey with Joel." --- A Fallen Mascot <cite>Punished_Blinx posted [p:972134508] in Last of Us... [t:80377242]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> If she said no they aren't going to shrug their shoulders and say "Welp guess we'll just hope we find someone else who is immune. Good luck on your new journey with Joel."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Spiritlittle 03/12/23 11:22:26 PM #173:	UnholyMudcrab posted... Take a step back and think about how utterly ridiculous of a statement this is It's not. What hope is there in a world like that except for a cure? It makes perfect sense that people would want to keep Ellie and complete the operation. But, there were people there that had nothing to do with Ellie and Joel slaughtered everyone. --- Official Fujin of the Mortal Kombat 11 board. Trails of Cold Steel is the most underappreciated JRPG series ever. <cite>Spiritlittle posted [p:972134530] in Last of Us... [t:80377242]...</cite> <quote>UnholyMudcrab posted... </cite><quote>Take a step back and think about how utterly ridiculous of a statement this is</quote>It's not. What hope is there in a world like that except for a cure? It makes perfect sense that people would want to keep Ellie and complete the operation. But, there were people there that had nothing to do with Ellie and Joel slaughtered everyone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AgentCoulson 03/12/23 11:22:28 PM #174:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] That would mean giving Ellie a choice. Jerry didn't even want Joel to know. He'd have a conniption if Marlene said "Let's wait until Ellie wakes up and see how she feels about it." --- I haven't set a signature for the message boards yet <cite>AgentCoulson posted [p:972134531] in Last of Us... [t:80377242]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> That would mean giving Ellie a choice. Jerry didn't even want Joel to know. He'd have a conniption if Marlene said "Let's wait until Ellie wakes up and see how she feels about it."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Spiritlittle 03/12/23 11:23:35 PM #175:	AgentCoulson posted... That would mean giving Ellie a choice. Jerry didn't even want Joel to know. He'd have a conniption if Marlene said "Let's wait until Ellie wakes up and see how she feels about it." Dr. Anderson was struggling with the decision to do it until Abby told him that he would want her to do it if it was her. --- Official Fujin of the Mortal Kombat 11 board. Trails of Cold Steel is the most underappreciated JRPG series ever. <cite>Spiritlittle posted [p:972134555] in Last of Us... [t:80377242]...</cite> <quote>AgentCoulson posted... </cite><quote>That would mean giving Ellie a choice. Jerry didn't even want Joel to know. He'd have a conniption if Marlene said "Let's wait until Ellie wakes up and see how she feels about it."</quote>Dr. Anderson was struggling with the decision to do it until Abby told him that he would want her to do it if it was her.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Punished_Blinx 03/12/23 11:24:27 PM #176:	Spiritlittle posted... ~~Dr. Anderson was struggling with the decision to do it until Abby told him that he would want her to do it if it was her.~~ Sure. But if it was her daughter....would he? Even he does not give an answer to that question. --- A Fallen Mascot <cite>Punished_Blinx posted [p:972134575] in Last of Us... [t:80377242]...</cite> <quote>Spiritlittle posted... </cite><quote>Dr. Anderson was struggling with the decision to do it until Abby told him that he would want her to do it if it was her.</quote>Sure.But if it was her daughter....would he? Even he does not give an answer to that question. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Makeveli_lives 03/12/23 11:24:41 PM #177:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] She made it clear she was willing to go that far for it. She directly said so after the fact but also said so indirectly before the fact. it cant all be for nothing Is what she said in the game and the show when they were close to the fireflies. She decided to go forward after already risking her life with the infected and the pedophile and the humans trying to kill her up to the hospital. Not knowing what other danger was between her and the hospital, she chose to continue the journey knowing it might be her death. she chose to do this. --- Switch FC: SW-3917-4425-6106 PSN: PiKappaPhi769 <cite>Makeveli_lives posted [p:972134579] in Last of Us... [t:80377242]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> She made it clear she was willing to go that far for it. She directly said so after the fact but also said so indirectly before the fact. it cant all be for nothing Is what she said in the game and the show when they were close to the fireflies. She decided to go forward after already risking her life with the infected and the pedophile and the humans trying to kill her up to the hospital. Not knowing what other danger was between her and the hospital, she chose to continue the journey knowing it might be her death. she chose to do this. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Makeveli_lives 03/12/23 11:25:32 PM #178:	Spiritlittle posted... Dr. Anderson was struggling with the decision to do it until Abby told him that he would want her to do it if it was her. And Ellie felt the same goddamn way Jesus Christ --- Switch FC: SW-3917-4425-6106 PSN: PiKappaPhi769 <cite>Makeveli_lives posted [p:972134598] in Last of Us... [t:80377242]...</cite> <quote>Spiritlittle posted... </cite><quote>Dr. Anderson was struggling with the decision to do it until Abby told him that he would want her to do it if it was her.</quote>And Ellie felt the same goddamn way Jesus Christ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 03/12/23 11:25:37 PM #179:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] A thousand enemies to wipe out. Thats all I see. If they want to keep fighting Joel even when 900 have died, the last 100 would be very stupid and crazy. Maybe some of them woukd surrender and Joel wouldn't have to kill them <cite>Zikten posted [p:972134600] in Last of Us... [t:80377242]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> A thousand enemies to wipe out. Thats all I see. If they want to keep fighting Joel even when 900 have died, the last 100 would be very stupid and crazy. Maybe some of them woukd surrender and Joel wouldn't have to kill them</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Spiritlittle 03/12/23 11:25:56 PM #180:	Punished_Blinx posted... Sure. But if it was her daughter....would he? Even he does not give an answer to that question. His action proves otherwise, since there are a lot of similarities between Ellie and Abby, and then Dr. Anderson sees that he has to do it for the good of mankind. But he could've turned heel, true. We'll never know. Not unless there is more context given with Abby in Part 3. --- Official Fujin of the Mortal Kombat 11 board. Trails of Cold Steel is the most underappreciated JRPG series ever. <cite>Spiritlittle posted [p:972134607] in Last of Us... [t:80377242]...</cite> <quote>Punished_Blinx posted... </cite><quote>Sure.But if it was her daughter....would he? Even he does not give an answer to that question.</quote>His action proves otherwise, since there are a lot of similarities between Ellie and Abby, and then Dr. Anderson sees that he has to do it for the good of mankind. But he could've turned heel, true. We'll never know. Not unless there is more context given with Abby in Part 3.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Spiritlittle 03/12/23 11:27:14 PM #181:	Makeveli_lives posted... And Ellie felt the same goddamn way Jesus Christ Exactly. I'm agreeing with you. Joel doomed the world for selfish reasons, while Ellie, Abby, and eventually Dr. Anderson were trying to save humanity. --- Official Fujin of the Mortal Kombat 11 board. Trails of Cold Steel is the most underappreciated JRPG series ever. <cite>Spiritlittle posted [p:972134638] in Last of Us... [t:80377242]...</cite> <quote>Makeveli_lives posted... </cite><quote>And Ellie felt the same goddamn way Jesus Christ</quote>Exactly. I'm agreeing with you. Joel doomed the world for selfish reasons, while Ellie, Abby, and eventually Dr. Anderson were trying to save humanity.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ludwig_Von_2 03/12/23 11:27:56 PM #182:	Spiritlittle posted... Already confirmed season 2 will adapt part of Part 2, and a 3rd season will finish it. Why does the second game need two seasons to finish it? Is it that much longer than the first game? --- My luck works best when things are... random. Mat Cauthon from The Dragon Reborn <cite>Ludwig_Von_2 posted [p:972134652] in Last of Us... [t:80377242]...</cite> <quote>Spiritlittle posted... </cite><quote>Already confirmed season 2 will adapt part of Part 2, and a 3rd season will finish it.</quote>Why does the second game need two seasons to finish it? Is it that much longer than the first game? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 03/12/23 11:28:29 PM #183:	The world isn't doomed. People can still rebuild civilization even without a cure. <cite>Zikten posted [p:972134661] in Last of Us... [t:80377242]...</cite> <quote>The world isn't doomed. People can still rebuild civilization even without a cure. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Punished_Blinx 03/12/23 11:28:38 PM #184:	Spiritlittle posted... His action proves otherwise, since there are a lot of similarities between Ellie and Abby, and then Dr. Anderson sees that he has to do it for the good of mankind. But he could've turned heel, true. We'll never know. Not unless there is more context given with Abby in Part 3. His actions of operating on someone he does not know at all doesn't prove anything. At the end of the day he isn't in the same situation as Joel. It's not turning heel or anything. Everyone in that world is willing to kill for the greater good...unless it's their own family or loved one. --- A Fallen Mascot <cite>Punished_Blinx posted [p:972134665] in Last of Us... [t:80377242]...</cite> <quote>Spiritlittle posted... </cite><quote>His action proves otherwise, since there are a lot of similarities between Ellie and Abby, and then Dr. Anderson sees that he has to do it for the good of mankind. But he could've turned heel, true. We'll never know. Not unless there is more context given with Abby in Part 3.</quote>His actions of operating on someone he does not know at all doesn't prove anything. At the end of the day he isn't in the same situation as Joel. It's not turning heel or anything. Everyone in that world is willing to kill for the greater good...unless it's their own family or loved one. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Spiritlittle 03/12/23 11:28:41 PM #185:	Ludwig_Von_2 posted... Why does the second game need two seasons to finish it? Is it that much longer than the first game? It's literally double the length. Average playthrough of Part 1 is 12 hours. Average playthrough of Part 2 is 25 hours. --- Official Fujin of the Mortal Kombat 11 board. Trails of Cold Steel is the most underappreciated JRPG series ever. <cite>Spiritlittle posted [p:972134667] in Last of Us... [t:80377242]...</cite> <quote>Ludwig_Von_2 posted... </cite><quote>Why does the second game need two seasons to finish it? Is it that much longer than the first game?</quote>It's literally double the length. Average playthrough of Part 1 is 12 hours. Average playthrough of Part 2 is 25 hours. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Starrman4 03/12/23 11:29:16 PM #186:	Ludwig_Von_2 posted... Why does the second game need two seasons to finish it? Is it that much longer than the first game? Much longer, more than 2x to a fault --- XBL Gamertag: Starrman4 <cite>Starrman4 posted [p:972134684] in Last of Us... [t:80377242]...</cite> <quote>Ludwig_Von_2 posted... </cite><quote>Why does the second game need two seasons to finish it? Is it that much longer than the first game?</quote>Much longer, more than 2x to a fault</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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XxKrazyChaosxX 03/12/23 11:31:30 PM #188:	Spiritlittle posted... Marlene was trying to save the world. The mass majority of people would have followed her. I imagine trying to get all of society back to the way it was after spending 20 years in a post apocalyptic world would be a very difficult thing to do. There's always going to be people in a world like that aren't going to want to go back to the way it was. Obviously Joel does what he does because of Ellie. But I think part of him also does it because he knows even if Ellie dies for a cure that it would be for nothing because a cure for that world isn't going to fix it. --- "I woke up at four am by accident in time for the paper to be delivered. Guess what? It's not a kid on a bike, it's a man in a car." - Kevin Malone <cite>XxKrazyChaosxX posted [p:972134735] in Last of Us... [t:80377242]...</cite> <quote>Spiritlittle posted... </cite><quote>Marlene was trying to save the world. The mass majority of people would have followed her.</quote>I imagine trying to get all of society back to the way it was after spending 20 years in a post apocalyptic world would be a very difficult thing to do. There's always going to be people in a world like that aren't going to want to go back to the way it was. Obviously Joel does what he does because of Ellie. But I think part of him also does it because he knows even if Ellie dies for a cure that it would be for nothing because a cure for that world isn't going to fix it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ludwig_Von_2 03/12/23 11:32:24 PM #189:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] At least in the show thats exactly how its framed. The people that Joel kills are shown to have guns and actively engaged in trying to kill Joel. The only doctor they show Joel kill is the same doctor that was going to knowingly kill Ellie. And even at that point Joel asks that doctor to remove the medical equipment from Ellie. The doctor refuses and thats when Joel kills him. So yes, the scene frames everyone Joel kills as less than innocent. Its not as though Joel busts into the break room of doctors eating their lunch and murders them all. All of the kills were soldiers shooting at him. --- My luck works best when things are... random. Mat Cauthon from The Dragon Reborn <cite>Ludwig_Von_2 posted [p:972134758] in Last of Us... [t:80377242]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> At least in the show thats exactly how its framed. The people that Joel kills are shown to have guns and actively engaged in trying to kill Joel. The only doctor they show Joel kill is the same doctor that was going to knowingly kill Ellie. And even at that point Joel asks that doctor to remove the medical equipment from Ellie. The doctor refuses and thats when Joel kills him. So yes, the scene frames everyone Joel kills as less than innocent. Its not as though Joel busts into the break room of doctors eating their lunch and murders them all. All of the kills were soldiers shooting at him. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AgentCoulson 03/12/23 11:33:06 PM #190:	Spiritlittle posted... Dr. Anderson was struggling with the decision to do it until Abby told him that he would want her to do it if it was her. Bullshit. He was trying to convince Marlene that what he wanted to do was the right thing. He had already convinced himself it was justified until Marlene asked if he l'd see it the same way if it was Abby. And then he still couldn't give an answer. --- I haven't set a signature for the message boards yet <cite>AgentCoulson posted [p:972134776] in Last of Us... [t:80377242]...</cite> <quote>Spiritlittle posted... </cite><quote>Dr. Anderson was struggling with the decision to do it until Abby told him that he would want her to do it if it was her.</quote>Bullshit. He was trying to convince Marlene that what he wanted to do was the right thing. He had already convinced himself it was justified until Marlene asked if he l'd see it the same way if it was Abby. And then he still couldn't give an answer.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ludwig_Von_2 03/12/23 11:33:21 PM #191:	Starrman4 posted... Much longer, more than 2x to a fault Interesting to know. Looking forward to what comes next. --- My luck works best when things are... random. Mat Cauthon from The Dragon Reborn <cite>Ludwig_Von_2 posted [p:972134782] in Last of Us... [t:80377242]...</cite> <quote>Starrman4 posted... </cite><quote>Much longer, more than 2x to a fault</quote>Interesting to know. Looking forward to what comes next. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Crimsoness 03/12/23 11:33:26 PM #192:	The Fireflies couldn't cure a ham --- CrimsonAngel's alt <cite>Crimsoness posted [p:972134784] in Last of Us... [t:80377242]...</cite> <quote>The Fireflies couldn't cure a ham</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ludwig_Von_2 03/12/23 11:33:52 PM #193:	Spiritlittle posted... It's literally double the length. Average playthrough of Part 1 is 12 hours. Average playthrough of Part 2 is 25 hours. Oh wow that is much longer. Maybe I will give the games a chance. --- My luck works best when things are... random. Mat Cauthon from The Dragon Reborn <cite>Ludwig_Von_2 posted [p:972134794] in Last of Us... [t:80377242]...</cite> <quote>Spiritlittle posted... </cite><quote>It's literally double the length. Average playthrough of Part 1 is 12 hours. Average playthrough of Part 2 is 25 hours.</quote>Oh wow that is much longer. Maybe I will give the games a chance. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Punished_Blinx 03/12/23 11:34:45 PM #194:	Just a reminder that the show begins with them killing a child who was infected. For the greater good. This is a harsh world. They don't have the luxuries of having the higher ground in many circumstances. Joel and Ellie both have killed for less than the Fireflies do. --- A Fallen Mascot <cite>Punished_Blinx posted [p:972134813] in Last of Us... [t:80377242]...</cite> <quote>Just a reminder that the show begins with them killing a child who was infected. For the greater good. This is a harsh world. They don't have the luxuries of having the higher ground in many circumstances.Joel and Ellie both have killed for less than the Fireflies do. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Makeveli_lives 03/12/23 11:37:13 PM #195:	Ludwig_Von_2 posted... Oh wow that is much longer. Maybe I will give the games a chance. https://howlongtobeat.com/game/41753?q=Last%2520of%2520Us last of Us 1 is not 12 hours lol. Especially since every modern version includes left behind dlc as part of the package. 18 is more accurate unless your skipping cutscenes. Part 2 is damn near 30 to complete though. --- Switch FC: SW-3917-4425-6106 PSN: PiKappaPhi769 <cite>Makeveli_lives posted [p:972134859] in Last of Us... [t:80377242]...</cite> <quote>Ludwig_Von_2 posted... </cite><quote>Oh wow that is much longer. Maybe I will give the games a chance.</quote>https://howlongtobeat.com/game/41753?q=Last%2520of%2520Us last of Us 1 is not 12 hours lol. Especially since every modern version includes left behind dlc as part of the package. 18 is more accurate unless your skipping cutscenes. Part 2 is damn near 30 to complete though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kimbos_Egg 03/12/23 11:40:20 PM #196:	Crimsoness posted... The Fireflies couldn't cure a ham this. You know how many fungal vaccines exist today? Its an easy question to answer. And yet a bunch of half assed "freedom fighters" can somehow make one by scooping a kids brain out, when all the scientists in the world working for 20 years couldn't do shit? Sure. --- You think you've Got problems? https://imgur.com/OnEOsdT <cite>Kimbos_Egg posted [p:972134918] in Last of Us... [t:80377242]...</cite> <quote>Crimsoness posted... </cite><quote>The Fireflies couldn't cure a ham</quote>this. You know how many fungal vaccines exist today? Its an easy question to answer.And yet a bunch of half assed "freedom fighters" can somehow make one by scooping a kids brain out, when all the scientists in the world working for 20 years couldn't do shit? Sure.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Starrman4 03/12/23 11:42:56 PM #198:	Makeveli_lives posted... https://howlongtobeat.com/game/41753?q=Last%2520of%2520Us last of Us 1 is not 12 hours lol. Especially since every modern version includes left behind dlc as part of the package. 18 is more accurate unless your skipping cutscenes. Part 2 is damn near 30 to complete though. Id argue 1 (excluding dlc) is closer to 10 hrs unless you play it on a higher than normal difficulty. LOU2 at 24 hrs is fair, I enjoyed it overall but multiple times out loud Id say JUST END ALREADY lol --- XBL Gamertag: Starrman4 <cite>Starrman4 posted [p:972134970] in Last of Us... [t:80377242]...</cite> <quote>Makeveli_lives posted... </cite><quote>https://howlongtobeat.com/game/41753?q=Last%2520of%2520Us last of Us 1 is not 12 hours lol. Especially since every modern version includes left behind dlc as part of the package. 18 is more accurate unless your skipping cutscenes. Part 2 is damn near 30 to complete though.</quote>Id argue 1 (excluding dlc) is closer to 10 hrs unless you play it on a higher than normal difficulty. LOU2 at 24 hrs is fair, I enjoyed it overall but multiple times out loud Id say JUST END ALREADY lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hinakuluiau 03/12/23 11:44:21 PM #199:	Kimbos_Egg posted... this. You know how many fungal vaccines exist today? Its an easy question to answer. And yet a bunch of half assed "freedom fighters" can somehow make one by scooping a kids brain out, when all the scientists in the world working for 20 years couldn't do shit? Sure. Exactly It's all a big ask. If, they can figure out exactly why she's ok If, they can reproduce it into a cure / vaccine If, they can widely distribute it If, they can manage to get people to take it Fuck that, people ego think Joel was wrong are taking a tenth of a tenth of a percent in the absolute best case scenario instead of the more likely scenario of them just killing Ellie on the operating room table with nothing to show for it --- There are some things where I just bypass critical thinking. - ROD <cite>Hinakuluiau posted [p:972134993] in Last of Us... [t:80377242]...</cite> <quote>Kimbos_Egg posted... </cite><quote>this. You know how many fungal vaccines exist today? Its an easy question to answer.And yet a bunch of half assed "freedom fighters" can somehow make one by scooping a kids brain out, when all the scientists in the world working for 20 years couldn't do shit? Sure.</quote>Exactly It's all a big ask. If, they can figure out exactly why she's okIf, they can reproduce it into a cure / vaccine If, they can widely distribute itIf, they can manage to get people to take itFuck that, people ego think Joel was wrong are taking a tenth of a tenth of a percent in the absolute best case scenario instead of the more likely scenario of them just killing Ellie on the operating room table with nothing to show for it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BakonBitz 03/12/23 11:49:29 PM #200:	UnholyMudcrab posted... Let's also take a moment to reflect on Marlene's hypocrisy for criticizing Joel for not giving Ellie a choice, when they knocked her unconscious and then planned to kill her before she could wake up and learn just what their plans were. Would she have agreed, even with the knowledge that it would mean her own death? Possibly, but we'll never know because the Fireflies didn't give her that chance. Yeah. In the franchise nobody is ever inherently good, evil, or morally correct. They all have their demons and the Fireflies fucked up by not giving Ellie her choice. I'm of the mind that they absolutely would've been able to get a cure otherwise and Joel denied the world that (IIRC Neil Druckmann confirmed as such), but the Fireflies should've been considerate of Ellie. Especially when Marlene tries to convince Joel of "what would Ellie choose?" I dunno Marlene, why didn't you let her choose before putting her under? If Joel knew that Ellie knew and went through with it, he probably wouldn't have gone on that killing spree to rescue her. All this is why I love discussion about the games and their plots. Everybody has different opinions about it because of how many different angles there are to consider. --- Game collection: http://www.backloggery.com/bakonbitz Gaming channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwVQm69J7bGScbv3_50C0dA <cite>BakonBitz posted [p:972135088] in Last of Us... [t:80377242]...</cite> <quote>UnholyMudcrab posted... </cite><quote>Let's also take a moment to reflect on Marlene's hypocrisy for criticizing Joel for not giving Ellie a choice, when they knocked her unconscious and then planned to kill her before she could wake up and learn just what their plans were.Would she have agreed, even with the knowledge that it would mean her own death? Possibly, but we'll never know because the Fireflies didn't give her that chance.</quote>Yeah. In the franchise nobody is ever inherently good, evil, or morally correct. They all have their demons and the Fireflies fucked up by not giving Ellie her choice. I'm of the mind that they absolutely would've been able to get a cure otherwise and Joel denied the world that (IIRC Neil Druckmann confirmed as such), but the Fireflies should've been considerate of Ellie.Especially when Marlene tries to convince Joel of "what would Ellie choose?" I dunno Marlene, why didn't you let her choose before putting her under? If Joel knew that Ellie knew and went through with it, he probably wouldn't have gone on that killing spree to rescue her.All this is why I love discussion about the games and their plots. Everybody has different opinions about it because of how many different angles there are to consider.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leanaunfurled 03/12/23 11:53:48 PM #201:	Pure story, I don't see why it'd be 2 seasons. TLOU2 has a lot more gameplay segments than 1. I spent so much damn time looting around houses and junk, especially in the open areas. Story is pretty straightforward still, and I'd argue the second half with Abby was underdeveloped, even. With the Joel choice, even if Ellie was outright asked (she would've said yes, yes), she's a little kid with survivor's guilt and depression. Humanity will adapt and survive with the fungus, as has been shown in the games anyway, killing a kid for a chance is totally messed up. --- Playing: <cite>Leanaunfurled posted [p:972135169] in Last of Us... [t:80377242]...</cite> <quote>Pure story, I don't see why it'd be 2 seasons. TLOU2 has a lot more gameplay segments than 1. I spent so much damn time looting around houses and junk, especially in the open areas. Story is pretty straightforward still, and I'd argue the second half with Abby was underdeveloped, even.With the Joel choice, even if Ellie was outright asked (she would've said yes, yes), she's a little kid with survivor's guilt and depression. Humanity will adapt and survive with the fungus, as has been shown in the games anyway, killing a kid for a chance is totally messed up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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