Current Events > Ok. I've discovered the best reason for a rewind feature in a video game.

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Rewinding because you fell off a platform in a platformer? Please. Get good, scrub.

Albert's Gust of Wind Dance, though. *chef kiss*

It's also quite literally a life saver in the recent Fire Emblem games. Fuck having to restart an hour long map because the RNG decided to fuck you over.

yeah there are some additions with funky timing, though gust of wind dance might be the worst of them

Super_Slash posted...

It's also quite literally a life saver in the recent Fire Emblem games. Fuck having to restart an hour long map because the RNG decided to fuck you over.

Isn't getting fucked by the RNG like half the reason to play a Fire Emblem game though?

It's made a world of difference to the playability in several fan-made Lemmings clones for sure. One interesting (and nice IMO) side effect of this is that it's turned the general direction of content away from execution-based challenges towards more pure puzzles, which Lemmings works really well for.

But what does Albert's dance do?

ANort175 posted...

Isn't getting fucked by the RNG like half the reason to play a Fire Emblem game though?

Getting pissed off enough to wanna throw something isn't my idea of fun.

Knew this would be about The Legend of Dragoon.

I'm about 50 hours into the game myself.

I want to see MK make a character that has a special that rewinds both characters 60 frames (no damage reduction).

It could backfire a lot, but could be amazing I'd used right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSXofLK5hFQ

a-c-a-b posted...

Knew this would be about The Legend of Dragoon.

I'm about 50 hours into the game myself.

I made it as far as getting the hammer loli the first time I played it, then never went back. I would like to beat it this time.

My kids have gotten into NES and SNES games on the Switch thanks to the rewind feature. Granted, they think they're good at them now, but whatever.

Alucard188 posted...

I made it as far as getting the hammer loli the first time I played it, then never went back. I would like to beat it this time.

meru is so dang OP though

I think I've mastered the timing of Gust of Wind Dance now. Great! Now I want to get Shana caught up in levels so she can item whore the bosses.

it definitely comes in handy when you're playing racing games...

Super_Slash posted...

It's also quite literally a life saver in the recent Fire Emblem games. Fuck having to restart an hour long map because the RNG decided to fuck you over.

Life sucks and then you die. Deal with it, be a man, and conquer those maps.

Flauros posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSXofLK5hFQ

this

Super_Slash posted...

It's also quite literally a life saver in the recent Fire Emblem games. Fuck having to restart an hour long map because the RNG decided to fuck you over.

I literally wasted all my rewinds on a skirmish yesterday because it was on a map with fog of war.

Whoever decided skirmishes should have fog of war is a sick, sadistic bastard.

No reason not to play on casual mode in Fire Emblem. Perma-death is outdated and everyone negates it by reloading their save anyway. Why miss out on tons of dialogue and story content if you dont have to?

I played Rare Replay one someone else's Xbone once and I gotta say Battletoads with a rewind button is a whole other game.

AirFresh posted...

Life sucks and then you die. Deal with it, be a man, and conquer those maps.

Not in my Fire Emblem.

radical_rhino posted...

No reason not to play on casual mode in Fire Emblem. Perma-death is outdated and everyone negates it by reloading their save anyway. Why miss out on tons of dialogue and story content if you dont have to?

Literally changes then fundamental strategy of each map if you play on casual.

I dunno about official releases, but why all emulators don't have rewind as a standard feature is beyond me

Relying only on savestates for potential do-overs is annoying since you have to save obsessively for it to be of any help

ViewtifulJoe posted...

I played Rare Replay one someone else's Xbone once and I gotta say Battletoads with a rewind button is a whole other game.

ugh, even with rewind Clinger Winger is nigh-fucking impossible

Curse that swirly ball of death straight to fucking Hell
>_>

radical_rhino posted...

No reason not to play on casual mode in Fire Emblem. Perma-death is outdated and everyone negates it by reloading their save anyway. Why miss out on tons of dialogue and story content if you dont have to?

Stakes.

When you know it doesn't matter if a unit dies because you can just send the next unit in and still have that unit back, you have no reason to try.

Regardless of whether you reload your save, the idea of having to restart an hour long map because you lost a unit at the ass end of it is an entirely different experience.

ArchNemo posted...

When you know it doesn't matter if a unit dies because you can just send the next unit in and still have that unit back, you have no reason to try.

Yet, Disgaea is pretty damn great.

I don't use rewind in games, and if people want to use it more power to them. But people who use rewind every 10 seconds while playing a game, and then go on to say "the game sucks" are mega idiots.

ArchNemo posted...

Stakes.

When you know it doesn't matter if a unit dies because you can just send the next unit in and still have that unit back, you have no reason to try.

Regardless of whether you reload your save, the idea of having to restart an hour long map because you lost a unit at the ass end of it is an entirely different experience.

I suppose. But I think the games would be better if casual mode was the only mode and they were designed around the maps being hard enough that youre going to have to lose a number of units to win, like a chess match. The classic mode strategy of keeping units tightly together and advancing slowly, kiting enemies one at a time is Boring.

Flauros posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSXofLK5hFQ

Ain't no point to the game!

Super_Slash posted...

It's also quite literally a life saver in the recent Fire Emblem games. Fuck having to restart an hour long map because the RNG decided to fuck you over.

I just wish that the game only gave you like 3 pulses.

That's enough to save yourself if you made a tactically sound move that got RNG fucked but it limited enough to discourage sloppy play or crit rigging.

radical_rhino posted...

No reason not to play on casual mode in Fire Emblem. Perma-death is outdated and everyone negates it by reloading their save anyway. Why miss out on tons of dialogue and story content if you dont have to?

You actually miss out on the option of more dialogue by playing on casual mode since characters dying can give unique quotes and potentially slightly alter the dialogue of later chapters or have mourning quotes from other characters while casual mode only gives retreating quotes. Of course, most people won't let their characters die to ever see those quotes but technically Classic with rewind gives the most dialogue option if you want to check out that stuff and then reload.

I never beat the game as a kid because I got lost somehow. I made it to the very end. Like maybe 1-3 boss fights left. Then I must have missed some text because I had no idea where to go next. I remember searching everywhere and having to keep swapping discs from traveling across areas and eventually gave up. I definitely want to beat it this time.

radical_rhino posted...

No reason not to play on casual mode in Fire Emblem. Perma-death is outdated and everyone negates it by reloading their save anyway. Why miss out on tons of dialogue and story content if you dont have to?

Casual mode makes you more sloppy. That's not a knock on it or people who play it. But when you can just yolo units at a problem with no fear of death you aren't going to play as well. You can't do sacrificial bunts in classic mode. Even with rewind.

HylianFox posted...

ugh, even with rewind Clinger Winger is nigh-fucking impossible

Curse that swirly ball of death straight to fucking Hell
>_>

On the bright side it's not nearly as hard to get back to it with all the second chances in the world.

radical_rhino posted...

I suppose. But I think the games would be better if casual mode was the only mode and they were designed around the maps being hard enough that youre going to have to lose a number of units to win, like a chess match. The classic mode strategy of keeping units tightly together and advancing slowly, kiting enemies one at a time is Boring.

That's a separate issue though. As of right now FE is balanced around classic mode so playing in casual takes away a ton of the fun/challenge. Especially with how easy it is to make overpowered units.

But yeah, games like Triangle Strategy where it's balanced around no permadeath are fine.

Compsognathus posted...

I just wish that the game only gave you like 3 pulses.

That's enough to save yourself if you made a tactically sound move that got RNG fucked but it limited enough to discourage sloppy play or crit rigging.

Why should it matter how people play THEIR game?

I'm officially as far as I've ever made it. I'm near the end of disc 2, at the undersea cave. I figured out a couple of new tricks, thanks to people with a wealth of more experience than me. How Shana is the best character for battle, how to try and finish boss fights with only one person standing for maximum XP gains, and how to finally hit Gust of Wind Dance every single time.

Alucard188 posted...

I'm officially as far as I've ever made it. I'm near the end of disc 2, at the undersea cave. I figured out a couple of new tricks, thanks to people with a wealth of more experience than me. How Shana is the best character for battle, how to try and finish boss fights with only one person standing for maximum XP gains, and how to finally hit Gust of Wind Dance every single time.

In what way is Shana the best character in battle?

I'm not saying that in disagreement, I'm just curious because I've never really used her beyond when I had to.

a-c-a-b posted...

In what way is Shana the best character in battle?

I'm not saying that in disagreement, I'm just curious because I've never really used her beyond when I had to.

She's the fastest character with the highest magic stat. Buy magic items and use her to throw them. She'll do more damage than anyone else if you manage to boost over 200%.

Alucard188 posted...

She's the fastest character with the highest magic stat. Buy magic items and use her to throw them. She'll do more damage than anyone else if you manage to boost over 200%.

Interesting. I didn't know that.

I don't really use a lot of attack items or at least not on bosses.

I either use them as soon as I get it on minor enemies or just discard it because of how limited the number of items you can carry is.

I hate how limiting the inventory space is, and how items don't stack. I'd love to see this game get a remake, because then they can make actual quality of life improvements to the user experience.

Alucard188 posted...

I hate how limiting the inventory space is, and how items don't stack. I'd love to see this game get a remake, because then they can make actual quality of life improvements to the user experience.

Then they'd nerf Shana for no reason too.

Just started chapter 4 of Legend of Dragoon. I had a suspicion about Rose's history for some time, and that Shana was the moon child. However, I wasn't expecting Zeig to still be alive, nor that he was Dart's father. I didn't have much faith in the "regeneration of the world", because we all know that regeneration is a double edged sword. Something has to die so it can grow again. Grass dies and grows again. It regenerates.

I Platinumed the game earlier today. Which is something I very rarely do. It was super easy though.

If you're not familiar with the game the only thing you may need a guide for is the locations of the Stardust. And you only need to get 30/50 for the trophy.