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Blue_Inigo
03/01/23 12:49:43 AM
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https://twitter.com/RPGSite/status/1630639163430273024?s=20

He's not a big fan. "Jrpg" isnt something they really think about or use. I can see how. Lotta western outlets in the 2010s really used jprg as a black mark of a label

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FL81
03/01/23 12:53:00 AM
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For what it's worth, Action RPG vs. Turn-based RPG is a much more useful distinction than WRPG vs. JRPG

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KeeperOfShadows
03/01/23 12:53:19 AM
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Not surprising. Most game devs don't use a good majority of gamer terminology.

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Beveren_Rabbit
03/01/23 12:55:03 AM
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it's honestly really racist and doesn't really describe the genre too well.

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Blue_Inigo
03/01/23 12:56:57 AM
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Yeah it's just a silly blanket term. Final Fantasy XV, NEO The World Ends With You, and Persona 5 are all under JRPG. Couldn't be anymore different from each other.

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party_animal07
03/01/23 1:18:34 AM
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Not gonna lie, this is a borderline eyeroll for me.

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MJOLNRVII
03/01/23 1:21:25 AM
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party_animal07 posted...
Not gonna lie, this is a borderline eyeroll for me.
People's use/preference of the term JRPG or at the topic title/OP?

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NozomisHusband
03/01/23 1:37:57 AM
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Well, if anything else, it's definitely not as much of a pejorative term nowadays. Admittedly though, during the time it was considered the "in" thing to bash on JRPGs, like around 2008ish-2012, a lot of Japanese companies that weren't Nintendo didn't handle the transition to HD all that great. Then again you can argue that Nintendo never actually entered the HD age to begin with which... kinda worked out for them in a way so...

I'm also of the opinion that the west didn't nearly make the transition to the HD age as smoothly as some people seem to think, but regardless, once people everywhere began to realize that not every game needed to be super realistic things got a bit better.

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Blue_Inigo
03/01/23 1:39:30 AM
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I played quite a few shit rpgs from western devs in the late 2000s and early 2010s.

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Ratchetrockon
03/01/23 1:47:07 AM
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What do we call them then?

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viewmaster_pi
03/01/23 2:16:59 AM
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JRPG is just a style of game, or describes certain themes. Chained Echos is a JRPG despite not actually being Japanese. it's not discriminatory, lol

eurojank on the other hand...

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Alteres
03/01/23 2:21:56 AM
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Ratchetrockon posted...
What do we call them then?
AsianAmericanRPG

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Revelation34
03/01/23 2:22:35 AM
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Beveren_Rabbit posted...
it's honestly really racist and doesn't really describe the genre too well.


Lol.

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Zikten
03/01/23 2:39:46 AM
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If jrpg is racist then is it also racist to say British Television?

Its just saying what country made the game.
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MedeaLysistrata
03/01/23 5:41:35 AM
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i'm sorry but you're saying they don't call them jrpgs... in japan? you mean they're just rpgs there?

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Gamingsince1989
03/01/23 5:47:44 AM
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I still use the old method of labeling RPGs. Stuff like Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest i call console style rpg. Kingdom Hearts or Souls games I just call action RPGs. Final Fantasy Tactics, Disgaea etc I call SRPG. Stuff like Baldurs Gate or Divinity I call Computer style RPG. It's not something that's commonly used in today's gaming, but that's just my personal preference for each type of game.
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tremain07
03/01/23 5:49:15 AM
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Is this woke?!
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Trumble
03/01/23 5:50:01 AM
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FL81 posted...
For what it's worth, Action RPG vs. Turn-based RPG is a much more useful distinction than WRPG vs. JRPG
This tbh.

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MedeaLysistrata
03/01/23 5:55:23 AM
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or anime vs not anime because that's what i care about 95% of the time

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bloodydeath0
03/01/23 9:32:51 AM
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JRPG for me growing up usually meant those were the good ones actually lol

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Jagr_68
03/01/23 9:35:58 AM
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Alteres posted...
AsianAmericanRPG

Lmfao

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LightHawKnight
03/01/23 9:37:46 AM
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FL81 posted...
For what it's worth, Action RPG vs. Turn-based RPG is a much more useful distinction than WRPG vs. JRPG


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Beveren_Rabbit
03/01/23 9:46:30 AM
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bloodydeath0 posted...
JRPG for me growing up usually meant those were the good ones actually lol


name one bad WRPG

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Blue_Inigo
03/01/23 9:49:49 AM
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The Risen games

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bloodydeath0
03/01/23 9:54:11 AM
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Beveren_Rabbit posted...
name one bad WRPG
i love WRPGs, just in the late 90's/early 2000's i was all about FF and Grandia and stuff and i gravitated toward those types games

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Blue_Inigo
03/01/23 12:31:42 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/5/0/AAaaLFAAEOye.jpg
Imagine the company that was working on Dragon Age 2 saying this

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YellowSUV
03/01/23 12:35:34 PM
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Zikten posted...
If jrpg is racist then is it also racist to say British Television?

Its just saying what country made the game.

Different things. British Television 99% of the time means television from the United Kingdom. JRPG does not necessarily mean game from Japan. For example, Undertale is more of a JRPG than Dark Souls. That said the term JRPG isn't inherently racist.

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eggcorn
03/01/23 4:01:11 PM
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viewmaster_pi posted...
JRPG is just a style of game, or describes certain themes. Chained Echos is a JRPG despite not actually being Japanese. it's not discriminatory, lol

eurojank on the other hand...
what a post.

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xlr_big-coop
03/01/23 4:03:53 PM
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party_animal07 posted...
Not gonna lie, this is a borderline eyeroll for me.
This. Guy just sounds insecure.

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coolguyjimmy
03/01/23 4:22:45 PM
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Child of Light is a JRPG though, and is called as such numerous places. The term is fine.

The reason JRPGs are called as such, is because the style recognized as a JRPG, wasDragon Quest released in 1986.
Just like we call our mathematical numbers Arabic numerals, to celebrate the fact, not as a form of discrimination, and we don't use the term for clarity, either -- since there's actually two very distinct Arabic numbering systems: Eastern Arabic numerals, and Western Arabic numerals (What we term Arabic numerals).
Eastern Arabic numerals are in predominant use over Western Arabic numerals in many countries to the east of the Arab world, notably Iran and Afghanistan.
In Arabic-speaking Asia, as well as Egypt and Sudan, both types of numerals are in use (and are often employed alongside each other), though Western Arabic numerals are increasingly used, including in Saudi Arabia. The United Arab Emirates uses both Eastern and Western Arabic numerals.
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Vyrulisse
03/01/23 5:02:05 PM
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People saying he's wrong need to understand the period of time he's talking about. It was mostly during the PS3/360 era where western media and even western developers were openly antagonistic towards games from Japan. You had that moron Phil Fish openly insult Japanese games saying "they all sucked" in the face of a developer from Japan that asked him a question, the entire room laughing at his answer. You had western games media openly bashing anything from Japan, especially RPGs that came from Japan. You had developers like Bioware talking about how Japanese games were relics and didn't evolve.

There was a ton of Anti-Japanese game sentiment around that time and anyone who denies is wasn't old enough to realize it or is just ignorant. Some of it still lingers to this day so yes, Yoshida's comments made perfect sense and he even recognizes that the term is much more positive nowadays. He was merely explaining why some Japanese developers don't care for the term much.

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Crimsoness
03/01/23 5:04:07 PM
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Looks like it's barely gonna be an RPG at all so no worries.

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Lost_All_Senses
03/01/23 5:07:45 PM
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I hate when people say Im Midwestern just because I grew up in the midwest and always lived in the midwest and never left the midwest. Don't fuckin label me

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Vyrulisse
03/01/23 5:07:52 PM
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Blue_Inigo posted...

Imagine the company that was working on Dragon Age 2 saying this

Imagine the company working on Dragon Age 4 and a new Mass Effect in which they are digging up the corpse of Shepherd (whose story was finished) just because they are creatively bankrupt saying this. Time is a funny thing.

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Akagami_Shanks
03/01/23 5:10:30 PM
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*"but there was a time when this term first appeared 15 years ago, and for us as developers the first time we heard it, it was like a discriminatory term". *

yes, 15 years ago is when he's talking about. Not today. JRPGs were generally seen as samey and anime wasn't as accepted as it was today so i can understand just having your game labeled and forgotten like that

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DarkChozoGhost
03/01/23 5:15:28 PM
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It's pretty funny to me that the best JRPGs are made by western developers and the best WRPGs are made by Japanese developers

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Revelation34
03/02/23 12:36:08 AM
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Gamingsince1989 posted...
I still use the old method of labeling RPGs. Stuff like Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest i call console style rpg. Kingdom Hearts or Souls games I just call action RPGs. Final Fantasy Tactics, Disgaea etc I call SRPG. Stuff like Baldurs Gate or Divinity I call Computer style RPG. It's not something that's commonly used in today's gaming, but that's just my personal preference for each type of game.


I don't get that genre name at all.

eggcorn posted...

what a post.


What was wrong with it?

Akagami_Shanks posted...
*"but there was a time when this term first appeared 15 years ago, and for us as developers the first time we heard it, it was like a discriminatory term". *

yes, 15 years ago is when he's talking about. Not today. JRPGs were generally seen as samey and anime wasn't as accepted as it was today so i can understand just having your game labeled and forgotten like that


I always played JRPGs. I never said they were the same and the vast majority of people didn't either.

DarkChozoGhost posted...
It's pretty funny to me that the best JRPGs are made by western developers and the best WRPGs are made by Japanese developers


The Elder Scrolls series is made by a Japanese developer?

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Gamingsince1989
03/02/23 12:44:03 AM
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Revelation34 posted...
I don't get that genre name at all.
Back in the 90s RPGs that were on consoles were named console style RPG and the ones on PC were called Computer style RPG before they were labeled as JRPG or Western RPG. This website used to label games that way before they changed everything years later to reflect western style or jrpg etc.
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DarkChozoGhost
03/02/23 7:50:28 AM
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Revelation34 posted...


The Elder Scrolls series is made by a Japanese developer?
I'm talking about Souls obviously

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Revelation34
03/03/23 8:43:22 AM
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DarkChozoGhost posted...

I'm talking about Souls obviously


It that's not the best WRPG.

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DrizztLink
03/03/23 8:43:59 AM
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I would assume he just calls them RPGs.

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Blue_Inigo
03/04/23 12:20:20 PM
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https://twitter.com/TarksGauntlet/status/1631809089385660416?s=20

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Powdered_Toast
03/04/23 12:28:44 PM
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Sounds like bad news for FFXVI

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Ivynn
03/04/23 12:29:07 PM
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Blue_Inigo posted...
https://twitter.com/TarksGauntlet/status/1631809089385660416?s=20

Yeah, X-Play was pretty anti-JRPG with Adam Sessler bashing them non-stop.

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NozomisHusband
03/04/23 12:30:22 PM
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Speaking of Sessler, man did he fall from grace. Though in retrospect I don't think the dude had any grace to begin with lol.

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LordFarquad1312
03/04/23 12:31:57 PM
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Blue_Inigo posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/5/0/AAaaLFAAEOye.jpg
Imagine the company that was working on Dragon Age 2 saying this
And ME4. And their shitty game as as service that no one remembers.

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Ivynn
03/04/23 12:32:07 PM
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NozomisHusband posted...
Speaking of Sessler, man did he fall from grace. Though in retrospect I don't think the dude had any grace to begin with lol.

Didn't he recently claim he was never a gamer? Also he's proud he punched a kid because his dad voted for Reagan in the 80's lol

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Prestoff
03/04/23 12:34:41 PM
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I do agree now that there are better "labels" you can put on games to help differentiate them.

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