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WingsOfGood
02/22/23 2:20:58 PM
#151:


good boy, may I ask what is brake checking then?
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VampireCoyote
02/22/23 2:26:19 PM
#152:


Sometimes the person in front of you needs to hit their brakes. Dont be right behind them like a fucking idiot, ever.

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Gremlynn
02/22/23 2:32:12 PM
#153:


VampireCoyote posted...
Sometimes the person in front of you needs to hit their brakes. Dont be right behind them like a fucking idiot, ever.

My policy is, outside of gridlock, if I can't see your front grill in my rear view, you're too close and I will begin being a dick about it after about 3 minutes.

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A_Good_Boy
02/22/23 2:40:13 PM
#154:


voldothegr8 posted...
Same difference, regarding tailgating, whether the person in front of them legit has to hit the brake or they're being an asshole. Don't tailgate and it won't be a problem either way.
Same action, different intent. Context doesn't stop mattering just because you're operating a car. The courts don't ignore intent and context, what with mens rea being a huge factor in sentencing and lawsuits, so why would you think it stopped mattering just because you're behind the wheel of a car?

WingsOfGood posted...
good boy, may I ask what is brake checking then?
Consult the link you already posted. If it was good enough for you to bother posting one paragraph from then it should be good enough for you to read the rest.

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Paragon21XX
02/22/23 3:07:00 PM
#155:


WingsOfGood posted...
How do you brake check someone who is following at a safe distance?
https://youtu.be/DOm8K21mlqo

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OudeGeuze
02/22/23 3:07:16 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Road rage is bad, but people non-maliciously brake quickly every fucking day
Which isn't brake checking. Brake checking is slamming on your brakes in attempt to get someone tailgating to rear end you. Suddenly braking because of road conditions/drivers ahead of you isn't brake checking.

Brake checking escalates an already dangerous situation. There's no valid reason to ever do it. People shouldn't tailgate, but maliciously slamming your brakes because someone is tailgating you is not ever a correct solution.
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TheOtherMike
02/22/23 3:11:47 PM
#157:


OudeGeuze posted...
Which isn't brake checking.

No one's saying it is. They're saying it happens, and someone tailgating is still going to hit that car. They're saying that tailgating is a hazard regardless of whether anyone brake checks or not.

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OudeGeuze
02/22/23 3:12:27 PM
#158:


TheOtherMike posted...
No one's saying it is. They're saying it happens, and someone tailgating is still going to hit that car. They're saying that tailgating is a hazard regardless of whether anyone brake checks or not.
WingsofGood is literally saying normal braking is brake checking in this topic
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Gobstoppers12
02/22/23 3:12:38 PM
#159:


OudeGeuze posted...
People shouldn't tailgate, but maliciously slamming your brakes because someone is tailgating you is not ever a correct solution.
This is true, but the most important and much more commonly relevant part of this statement is:

"People shouldn't tailgate"

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TheOtherMike
02/22/23 3:13:17 PM
#160:


OudeGeuze posted...
WingsofGood is literally saying normal braking is brake checking in this topic

No he isn't. He very clearly makes the distinction in post 143.

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A_Good_Boy
02/22/23 3:26:35 PM
#161:


TheOtherMike posted...
No he isn't. He very clearly makes the distinction in post 143.
Just like WoG, you should also read entirety of the information contained within that link and not just cherry pick. It actually goes into detail on what brakechecking is and when you could be liable for it regardless of there being a tailgator behind you. It's actually a much larger part of the content of that link than the little snippet he cherry picked.

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CanuckCowboy
02/22/23 3:30:35 PM
#162:


OudeGeuze posted...
Both are bad, brake checking is worse

I don't even know who you are

Brake checking literally doesn't exist if jackasses don't tailgate so....

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A_Good_Boy
02/22/23 3:34:55 PM
#163:


CanuckCowboy posted...
Brake checking literally doesn't exist if jackasses don't tailgate so....
https://youtu.be/DOm8K21mlqo


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TheOtherMike
02/22/23 3:42:14 PM
#164:


A_Good_Boy posted...
Just like WoG, you should also read entirety of the information contained within that link and not just cherry pick. It actually goes into detail on what brakechecking is and when you could be liable for it regardless of there being a tailgator behind you. It's actually a much larger part of the content of that link than the little snippet he cherry picked.

I did read it, and I'm not sure what you think you're lecturing me about but I already knew what brake checking was, I already knew it's illegal, and I already knew that tailgating is illegal. I don't know what you think I need to learn or why. Like I already mentioned, I have a decade of commercial driving experience. This reply doesn't even have anything to do with what I said, so idk what you're getting at here.

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faizan_faizan
02/22/23 4:38:55 PM
#166:


Brake checkers are quite possibly the dumbest drivers.

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A_Good_Boy
02/22/23 4:40:03 PM
#167:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Yes

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Fluttershy
02/22/23 5:09:38 PM
#168:


How do you brake check someone who is following at a safe distance?

you don't brake-check anyone because that's dumb and reckless.

'they made me mad' is not a valid excuse to be dumb and reckless.

Brake checking literally doesn't exist if jackasses don't tailgate so...

nah, other people aren't responsible for your actions. being an adult is tough.

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BuIIyMaguire
02/22/23 5:16:39 PM
#169:


you dont tailgate anyone because thats dumb and reckless.

they made me mad is not a valid excuse to be dumb and reckless.


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Fluttershy
02/22/23 5:24:56 PM
#170:


oh, don't be mad i shut your shit down. don't be a petty driver.

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BuIIyMaguire
02/22/23 5:25:50 PM
#171:


Lmfao

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hockeybub89
02/22/23 5:48:17 PM
#172:


Tailgaters ITT big mad about being called dangerous drivers.

Actually brake checking is bad, but it literally does not cause anywhere as many accidents as following too closely and it would not even be a thing if no one followed closely.

That's not making excuses for brake checkers or "victim blaming". If one group of people don't act like jackasses, then there will never be anyone to retaliate with their own jackassery in the form of brake checking. Is brake checking no one a problem in some city somewhere?

This topic is like people that walk around screaming insults at people getting mad that some people yell back or get violent. Yes, that is bad, but you're deliberately being a jerk and instigating it. At worst, you're equally bad. And if you stopped being an asshole, there would be nothing for anyone to retaliate against.

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CanuckCowboy
02/22/23 5:51:13 PM
#173:


Fluttershy posted...
How do you brake check someone who is following at a safe distance?

you don't brake-check anyone because that's dumb and reckless.

'they made me mad' is not a valid excuse to be dumb and reckless.

Brake checking literally doesn't exist if jackasses don't tailgate so...

nah, other people aren't responsible for your actions. being an adult is tough.

Except it quite literally would never happen without, and is a direct result of, the initial jackassery of tailgaters.

I never codoned brake checking, just stating a fact. Maybe don't tailgate dude


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garan
02/22/23 5:55:17 PM
#174:


FortuneCookie posted...
Dont tailgate

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VirtuousWrath
02/22/23 5:57:27 PM
#175:


Why are you guys so intent on dying on the hill that brake checking a tailgater is okay?

No offense, but I'm not sure most of you guys are emotionally mature enough to be behind the wheel of a vehicle.

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Fluttershy
02/22/23 5:57:50 PM
#176:


If one group of people don't act like jackasses, then there will never be anyone to retaliate with their own jackassery

you are responsible for your own actions, no matter what. i know, being an adult is tough.

Except it quite literally would never happen without

except it doesn't have to happen because of.

nobody is in the car forcing you to make the situation worse. that's entirely on you. i know, being an adult is tough.

No offense, but I'm not sure most of you guys are emotionally mature enough to be behind the wheel of a vehicle.

No offense, but I'm not sure most of you guys are emotionally mature enough to be behind the wheel of a vehicle.

No offense, but I'm not sure most of you guys are emotionally mature enough to be behind the wheel of a vehicle.

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TheOtherMike
02/22/23 6:04:35 PM
#177:


VirtuousWrath posted...
Why are you guys so intent on dying on the hill that brake checking a tailgater is okay?

Who said this?

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A_Good_Boy
02/22/23 6:10:00 PM
#178:


Fluttershy posted...
I mean to offend, but I'm not sure most of you guys are emotionally mature enough to be behind the wheel of a vehicle.


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Fluttershy
02/22/23 6:11:40 PM
#179:


that's worse than being accused of wanting to put cattle on the road.

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hockeybub89
02/22/23 6:14:56 PM
#180:


Fluttershy posted...
If one group of people don't act like jackasses, then there will never be anyone to retaliate with their own jackassery

you are responsible for your own actions, no matter what. i know, being an adult is tough.

Except it quite literally would never happen without

except it doesn't have to happen because of.

nobody is in the car forcing you to make the situation worse. that's entirely on you. i know, being an adult is tough.

No offense, but I'm not sure most of you guys are emotionally mature enough to be behind the wheel of a vehicle.

No offense, but I'm not sure most of you guys are emotionally mature enough to be behind the wheel of a vehicle.

No offense, but I'm not sure most of you guys are emotionally mature enough to be behind the wheel of a vehicle.
Bro, you don't need to lose your mind because I called out your tailgating.

Yes, people are responsible for their actions and that's why tailgaters are ALSO bad drivers and clearly too emotionally immature to drive a vehicle.

I never said brake checkers were right, just that they wouldn't exist without tailgating. I have never, in my entire life, been the recipient of a brake check, because I don't drive like a fucking jackass.

Two wrongs make two people wrong. You don't turn into right if someone responds poorly to your wrongness.

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Gobstoppers12
02/22/23 6:16:56 PM
#181:


VirtuousWrath posted...
Why are you guys so intent on dying on the hill that brake checking a tailgater is okay?
Pretty sure nobody is saying that brake checking a tailgater is "okay," they're just saying that the tailgater is responsible for their own vehicle and if they're too close to stop in time, well...maybe they shouldn't have been so close.

It's called taking responsibility for your own actions.

Yes, brake checking is bad. But if you get in an accident because you were tailgating and somebody brake checked you, then that's on you.

Obviously those videos of people cutting in front of somebody and immediately braking are examples of aggressive brake-checking and those drivers are unquestionably at total fault for the accident.

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Tenlaar
02/22/23 6:22:54 PM
#182:


Being bad first doesnt inherently make something worse than the thing that is bad second. And trying to rank them is pointless anyway. They are both bad, period.

I recently drove about 1200 miles with a coworker, whenever somebody did something like cut him off or even go too slow in the lane he was in he would flash the brights of this 26 foot uhaul at them. I asked him what is accomplished by responding to the situation by adding in a new dangerous thing and his answer was just so theyll know I dont like what they did. Its so pointless.
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Fluttershy
02/22/23 6:29:48 PM
#183:


Bro, you don't need to lose your mind because I called out your tailgating.

i'm not the one making things up about how people who disagree with me tailgate. again, you just need to learn that you (and only you) are responsible for your actions on the road. again, being an adult is tough.

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VirtuousWrath
02/22/23 6:34:06 PM
#184:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
But if you get in an accident because you were tailgating and somebody brake checked you, then that's on you.
This is the attitude I'm talking about.

What's going on, man? Why you saying such silly things?

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hockeybub89
02/22/23 6:38:06 PM
#185:


Fluttershy posted...
Bro, you don't need to lose your mind because I called out your tailgating.

i'm not the one making things up about how people who disagree with me tailgate. again, you just need to learn that you (and only you) are responsible for your actions on the road. again, being an adult is tough.
I know being an adult is tough, given how many irresponsible people put your life in their hands on the road.

This is so unbelievably fucking stupid. Tailgating is awful and causes so many more issues than brake checking, which again, while bad, would not exist if no one tailgated. Why don't tailgaters learn some responsibility as well?

Should responsible adult drivers just get off the fucking road so tailgaters and brake checkers and other jackasses can't affect us?

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Fluttershy
02/22/23 6:42:10 PM
#186:


I know being an adult is tough

yes, case in point:

brake checking, which again, while bad, would not exist if no one tailgated

part of being an adult means you accept responsibility for the decisions you make. it's nobody's fault but your own if you brake-check. no matter how hard you want to say it wouldn't exist without tailgating, you don't ever actually have to brake-check, so you're wrong.

(again, being an adult is tough!)

Should responsible adult drivers just get off the fucking road so tailgaters and brake checkers and other jackasses can't affect us?

if you can't accept responsibility for your own actions without blubbering like a baby and saying 'b-b-b-but look at what they did! ;_;!' you should get off the fucking road.

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Paragon21XX
02/22/23 6:43:09 PM
#187:


hockeybub89 posted...
I know being an adult is tough, given how many irresponsible people put your life in their hands on the road.

This is so unbelievably fucking stupid. Tailgating is awful and causes so many more issues than brake checking, which again, while bad, would not exist if no one tailgated. Why don't tailgaters learn some responsibility as well?

Should responsible adult drivers just get off the fucking road so tailgaters and brake checkers and other jackasses can't affect us?
Watch the video I or Good_Boy posted. Brake checkers do it not because they were being tailgated but because they are assholes.

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hockeybub89
02/22/23 6:44:34 PM
#188:


Tenlaar posted...
Being bad first doesnt inherently make something worse than the thing that is bad second. And trying to rank them is pointless anyway. They are both bad, period.
And people tell me I think in black and white. No one actually views all bad as "bad, period" so I don't know we pretend to lack nuanced thought. Does this mean all bad should be treated like the end of the world, or that we shouldn't care about any of it?

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hockeybub89
02/22/23 6:46:54 PM
#189:


Fluttershy posted...
I know being an adult is tough

yes, case in point:

brake checking, which again, while bad, would not exist if no one tailgated

part of being an adult means you accept responsibility for the decisions you make. it's nobody's fault but your own if you brake-check. no matter how hard you want to say it wouldn't exist without tailgating, you don't ever actually have to brake-check, so you're wrong.

(again, being an adult is tough!)

Should responsible adult drivers just get off the fucking road so tailgaters and brake checkers and other jackasses can't affect us?

if you can't accept responsibility for your own actions without blubbering like a baby and saying 'b-b-b-but look at what they did! ;_;!' you should get off the fucking road.
What the actual fuck are you talking about? I don't brake check. No fucking shit people are responsible for their own actions. That's why tailgating is also unforgivable.

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TheOtherMike
02/22/23 6:47:00 PM
#190:


Paragon21XX posted...
Brake checkers do it not because they were being tailgated but because they are assholes.

Those are road rage incidents where one driver cuts another off and immediately slams the brakes. This is not how the overwhelming majority of brake checks play out, nor is this what people are referring to when they talk about brake checking. 99% of the time brake checking is a direct response to a driver tailgating.

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hockeybub89
02/22/23 6:52:56 PM
#191:


And some people beat people up randomly without provocation. Doesn't mean that the bullying victims that freak out and kick the bully's ass are as bad as the bully. Both sides are responsible for their actions, but maybe bullying is the bigger problem in school than improper reactions to it. Maybe fixing the former would lessen the latter. Just maybe.

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Fluttershy
02/22/23 6:53:35 PM
#192:


What the actual fuck are you talking about? I don't brake check.

i said if you brake-check. lol, guilty conscience. i'm guessing you were so eager to accuse others of tailgating for similar reasons.

No fucking shit people are responsible for their own actions.

which is exactly why when people decide to brake-check, when they encounter a situation that is already shitty and they decide to make it worse, they are responsible for that in its entirety.

bullying victims

oh god mental gymnastics. all of this is being easily and clearly explained to you. just don't be a petty driver!

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Gobstoppers12
02/22/23 7:01:55 PM
#194:


VirtuousWrath posted...
Why you saying such silly things?
Because it's true. Don't tailgate anybody and you'll have way less of a chance of getting into an accident because of brake checking.

Both are bad things to do, but one tends to directly cause the other. It's like splashing a drink on someone and then getting punched in retaliation. Sure, splashing a drink isn't directly going to hurt anybody, but it's a really shitty thing to do to somebody. And sure, punching somebody for splashing a drink isn't strictly necessary...

But it's a lot easier to sympathize with the puncher than the drink splasher, given that the drink splasher started it.

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Fluttershy
02/22/23 7:04:59 PM
#195:


Both are bad things to do, but one tends to directly cause the other.

no, only the operator-level decision actually causes the other. stop making excuses for bad driving; 'they made me mad' is not a valid reason to make a situation more dangerous than it has to be.

being an adult. tough.

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hockeybub89
02/22/23 7:17:04 PM
#196:


Fluttershy posted...
Both are bad things to do, but one tends to directly cause the other.

no, only the operator-level decision actually causes the other. stop making excuses for bad driving; 'they made me mad' is not a valid reason to make a situation more dangerous than it has to be.

being an adult. tough.
Were you raised like this or are your parents embarrassed by how you turned out?

Clearly if a bully got retaliated against, you'd go "Bullying didn't cause that. Everyone is responsible for their actions and cause and effect don't exist."

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hockeybub89
02/22/23 7:21:11 PM
#197:


If we just stripped the licenses of all bad drivers, we wouldn't have to see this dumb fucking conversation. It's not cute to pretend to not have critical thinking skills.

You people don't know shit about me. If you aren't a literal doctor, keep your armchair psychoanalysis to yourself.

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Fluttershy
02/22/23 7:26:50 PM
#198:


lol, hey, as long as your meltdowns are on forums and not on the road, it's copacetic. deep breaths, pal.

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Tenlaar
02/22/23 9:21:53 PM
#199:


hockeybub89 posted...
And people tell me I think in black and white. No one actually views all bad as "bad, period" so I don't know we pretend to lack nuanced thought. Does this mean all bad should be treated like the end of the world, or that we shouldn't care about any of it?
I didnt say that all bad things are equally bad. These two things are close enough that its a pointless distinction. You seem to be strangely intense about this, you might want to take a break and calm down.
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OudeGeuze
02/22/23 9:51:32 PM
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