Current Events > It's still dumb that Elden Ring has no quest log.

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meestermj posted...

Well at least you clarified that for us. Good talk.

You keep defending your side by saying "nothing i've said is false". At no point did i say you were wrong.

Yes missing a side quest will lock out an ending. You can still beat the game though. So if you can do all that work and still beat the game. Answer my question.

Does that side quest matter in the end?

This Polygon article feels well-timed
https://www.polygon.com/videos/23597903/taking-notes-makes-gaming-more-fun-fez-golden-idol-obra-dinn

I4NRulez posted...

You keep defending your side by saying "nothing i've said is false". At no point did i say you were wrong.

Yes missing a side quest will lock out and ending. You can still beat the game though. So if you can do all that work and still beat the game. Answer my question.

Does that side quest matter in the end?

You've literally proved that you can't read so well, that you can't even read your own posts at this point.
It would be amusing if it weren't so sad.

MedeaLysistrata posted...

What the fuck is a "quest log"?

Like it tells you the last thing you did and what to do next?

Some form of a log, so I can return to a game after a few weeks or be reminded of a character I met 30 hours ago. I'm not saying the game should be Ass Creed style.

If you went on a journey in real life, would you not keep a journal? Sure, you wouldn't know exactly where you're going. There's no unseen director guiding you by the hand, like a MMO. But you'd at least know where you had been and who you had met. Why wouldn't your character? If you forgot a name, you wouldn't go "Shit, guess I'm walking across the entirety of America and hoping he's in that remote part of Kansas I visited before I met him."

Though even this assumes that the person gives you any hint as to where they are going or what they are doing and doesn't just skip town when you walk away, leaving you to wonder if they even existed in the first place.

meestermj posted...

You've literally proved that you can't read so well, that you can't even read your own posts at this point.
It would be amusing if it weren't so sad.

Ok, cool. You're childish insults let me know im right since you cant even defend your own stance.

Thank you.

I had people get angry for me when I pointed out there's no reason the game doesn't have pause.

So good luck.

Punished_Blinx posted...

I had people get angry for me when I pointed out there's no reason the game doesn't have pause.

So good luck.

Souls games have never had pause. Why would you expect this to be different?

I4NRulez posted...

Bloodborne and DS3 says hi lol

I love Bloodborne

I4NRulez posted...

Ok, cool. You're childish insults let me know im right since you cant even defend your own stance.

Thank you.

I defended myself just fine.
You're just so petty and pedantic that you latched onto word choice, which doesn't even make sense if taken in context.
Take your nonsense somewhere else, maybe to hookedonphonics.com

UnholyMudcrab posted...

Souls games have never had pause. Why would you expect this to be different?

I mean for older souls games it made sense because the game was kinda built on being invaded at any time.

Since they moved away from that they should at least do a pause button and just disable it when PVP is active.

UnholyMudcrab posted...

Souls games have never had pause. Why would you expect this to be different?

I never said anything about my 'expectations'

Just that at this point there's no reason. Elden Ring doesn't even have the whole human/hollow thing. It's easier than ever to not interact with the online stuff at all.

Btw Sekiro did have pause. So for whatever reason From thinks if a game has online functionality then it can't have pause. Even though they overlooked that if you look at a certain tutorial it pauses the game anyway.

meestermj posted...

I defended myself just fine.
You're just so petty and pedantic that you latched onto word choice, which doesn't even make sense if taken in context.
Take your nonsense somewhere else, maybe to hookedonphonics.com

lol that's cute, you're cute.

but i'll take my victory and stop replying to you now. Maybe your check for internet clout will come in since you got the platinum trophy. Girls lining up at your door already.

Both of you need to shut the fuck up

Edit: Just to be clear, I'm talking about the guys having the grade-school slap fight, not the guys disagreeing with me about a pause feature

BurmesePenguin posted...

No.

yes

Punished_Blinx posted...

I had people get angry for me when I pointed out there's no reason the game doesn't have pause.

So good luck.

Only non-Souls games are allowed to be criticized, because those are all exactly the same and handholdy, and what those developers are doing is wrong.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/9/8/AAcJoVAAELmi.jpg

"No Pause"

Menu, Options, Quit. Mute/Turn off TV. It's like the difference of like 15 seconds and you can get right back to where you were last standing almost 99% of the time. A Pause button WOULD be better QOL in a way, but you don't NEED it.

No one completed all the quests in this game without looking them up online so I don't know why it would be weird for a log to be included in the game lol

Ratchetrockon posted...

the lack of quest log is what made elden ring goty of 2022 though. if it had quest log it'd just be another generic open world game

So what youre saying is its a generic open world game without it a quest log?

Kakapo posted...

So what youre saying is its a generic open world game without it a quest log?

I think people have this image in their head of a Ubisoft style Quest page, with flashy markers on the map, and a compass pointing the way.

No. Just a simple journal in your inventory that when read will have a quick 1 or 2 sentence note written down by your character.
Ex.
"I entered Radahn's castle and engaged in some sort of festival. The Starscourge is slain, and a star fell to the south."

It doesn't have to be this flashy, handholding, walk you to every objective thing.

wanderingshade posted...

A Pause button WOULD be better QOL

Thank you.

Not sure why you bothered writing the rest though.

If Ubisoft made Elden Ring...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/6/0/AAcJoVAAELng.jpg

meestermj posted...

I think people have this image in their head of a Ubisoft style Quest page, with flashy markers on the map, and a compass pointing the way.

No. Just a simple journal in your inventory that when read will have a quick 1 or 2 sentence note written down by your character.
Ex.
"I entered Radahn's castle and engaged in some sort of festival. The Starscourge is slain, and a star fell to the south."

It doesn't have to be this flashy, handholding, walk you to every objective thing.

Yes, like Jiminy's Journal from Kingdom Hearts. Something like that would be nice.

meestermj posted...

I think people have this image in their head of a Ubisoft style Quest page, with flashy markers on the map, and a compass pointing the way.

No. Just a simple journal in your inventory that when read will have a quick 1 or 2 sentence note written down by your character.
Ex.
"I entered Radahn's castle and engaged in some sort of festival. The Starscourge is slain, and a star fell to the south."

It doesn't have to be this flashy, handholding, walk you to every objective thing.

This is obviously a perfectly reasonable thing to ask for, but for some reason a certain subset of souls fans believe the game is beyond reproach of any sort. I wouldn't mind if they had anything of merit to juxtapose the position, but all we get instead is this:
brestugo posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/9/8/AAcJoVAAELmi.jpg

Here's an easy game for the people who think Elden Ring is flawless. Breath of the Wild scored higher on Metacritic, and also won GotY. Even the User Score is higher. Therefore, it is a perfect game. Mathematically better than ER. It has zero faults. If you disagree then you just didn't get it. Yes even the durability system. Especially the durability system. Absolutely flawless in every way.

I doubt anyone here would agree to such an argument, but yet that's all they present when trying to defend literally any facet of ER.

meestermj posted...

I think people have this image in their head of a Ubisoft style Quest page, with flashy markers on the map, and a compass pointing the way.

No. Just a simple journal in your inventory that when read will have a quick 1 or 2 sentence note written down by your character.
Ex.
"I entered Radahn's castle and engaged in some sort of festival. The Starscourge is slain, and a star fell to the south."

Bad example considering how there's a big ol' red marker in the Limgrave portion of the map after Radahn is killed if I recall, but I see where you're going with it and suggested something similar earlier.

Uta posted...

Here's an easy game for the people who think Elden Ring is flawless. Breath of the Wild scored higher on Metacritic, and also won GotY. Even the User Score is higher. Therefore, it is a perfect game. Mathematically better than ER. It has zero faults. If you disagree then you just didn't get it. Yes even the durability system. Especially the durability system. Absolutely flawless in every way.

I doubt anyone here would agree to such an argument, but yet that's all they present when trying to defend literally any facet of ER.

It seems oddly unique to the From Software fanbase too.

Like at least with weapon durability with BOTW there's some gameplay mechanic facet to it. For a lot of Elden Ring stuff there's nothing to even debate. It's just "Why would you expect otherwise? Have you not played a From game before? Deal with it."

Even for BOTW there's plenty of little nitpicks that almost everyone would agree could be improved upon. I can't imagine saying "Why would you expect this to be different?" if the inventory system was still that awkward scrolling left to right to pick weapons and shields while the game was paused in TotK.

I think there's an element of protection because of some people who want an easy mode or whatever which somehow has made a vocal portion of the fanbase very defensive over almost anything that would gives a semblance of being more convenient for the player.

Punished_Blinx posted...

It seems oddly unique to the From Software fanbase too.

i dont know where this comes from lol.

Souls games are constantly criticized even by the fanbase. Go ask a souls subreddit about Dark Souls 2 hit boxes.

People will constantly whine about an easy mode for the thousandth time and then be like "The community is so toxic" when people either dont engage or tell them to "git gud".

I4NRulez posted...

i dont know where this comes from lol.

There are four pages of evidence just here, my dude.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4RKDGybO0s&ab_channel=WrathClub

DrizztLink posted...

There are four pages of evidence just here, my dude.

idk i feel like most of the topic is reasonable responses. You can disagree with a criticism without saying a game is above criticism.

No one said the game was perfect but it's not a crazy stance to say that quest logs aren't needed if they disagree with the OP.

I4NRulez posted...

i dont know where this comes from lol.

Souls games are constantly criticized even by the fanbase. Go ask a souls subreddit about Dark Souls 2 hit boxes.

People will constantly whine about an easy mode for the thousandth time and then be like "The community is so toxic" when people either dont engage or tell them to "git gud".

Well to begin with Dark Souls 2 is the dark sheep of the series that wasn't directed by Miyazaki so that's overall not a big target.

But this isn't whining about adding an entire difficulty. It's a simple QOL thing where you can have some sort of tracking if you have some side quest active or not. Considering the game also likes to kill off side quests without warning it would help with that too.

The thing is no one would actually complain if this was added. We saw this when they added NPC markers. Which was also a thing the Elden Ring community was so adamant would ruin the game before it was added.

These aren't game altering things. They're minor QOL changes that no one would actually complain about if added. Yet people want to rant and debate about them anyway. That is unique to the Souls fanbase. To the point where players literally argue that being unable to pause the game adds to their experience despite there not being a single complaint that Sekiro had pause.

It's all so dramatic. As we can see in this topic where adding a little quest log on a screen somewhere means Elden Ring is now an Ubisoft game.

Punished_Blinx posted...

Well to begin with Dark Souls 2 is the dark sheep of the series that wasn't directed by Miyazaki so that's overall not a big target.

But this isn't whining about adding an entire difficulty. It's a simple QOL thing where you can have some sort of tracking if you have some side quest active or not. Considering the game also likes to kill off side quests without warning it would help with that too.

The thing is no one would actually complain if this was added. We saw this when they added NPC markers. Which was also a thing the Elden Ring community was so adamant would ruin the game before it was added.

These aren't game altering things. They're minor QOL changes that no one would actually complain about if added. Yet people want to rant and debate about them anyway. That is unique to the Souls fanbase. To the point where players literally argue that being unable to pause the game adds to their experience despite there not being a single complaint that Sekiro had pause.

It's all so dramatic. As we can see in this topic where adding a little quest log on a screen somewhere means Elden Ring is now an Ubisoft game.

I mean I get it but its a souls game and they won't do quest logs or journals. I feel like they already tried to meet people halfway with the markers for the NPCS you've met.

Plus they have the little finger maidens that tell you where to go in the quests and statues that point you to dungeons.

I feel like a lot of what is asked for would be like someone who doesn't play Bayonetta to say it shouldnt be so OTT. That's just the stylistic choice for souls games.

I4NRulez posted...

Souls games are constantly criticized even by the fanbase. Go ask a souls subreddit about Dark Souls 2 hit boxes.

Ah yes. Dark Souls 2, aka the "The one Souls game it's okay to criticize". Excellent choice there. Care to leave any critique about the game we're actually talking about here?

Punished_Blinx posted...

Like at least with weapon durability with BOTW there's some gameplay mechanic facet to it. For a lot of Elden Ring stuff there's nothing to even debate. It's just "Why would you expect otherwise? Have you not played a From game before? Deal with it."

I actually am the rare person who thinks that BotW's durability mechanic is a good thing, and actively reinforces the game's overarching themes. Though I also think a crafting system with gear repair and the ability to make longer-lasting equipment wouldn't be amiss either. The only other solution I can think of to handling open world exploration would be to do what ER did and load up on unique, yet mostly useless gear in every single corner of the map. I think it's cool that ER has so much unique loot to find. Shame 98% of it doesn't fit my build. Really hampers my desire for exploration when nothing you find is worth anything.

Uta posted...

Ah yes. Dark Souls 2, aka the "The one Souls game it's okay to criticize". Excellent choice there. Care to leave any critique about the game we're actually talking about here?

"The fanbase never criticizes their games"

What about this game?

"No it doesnt count not that game!"

I've posted criticisms of the other souls games in the this topic and about this game.

I4NRulez posted...

Since they moved away from that they should at least do a pause button and just disable it when PVP is active.

but i guess you dont actually have to read through the topics when youre a mod but you can go back to jerking off mr.full ending over there.

im sure you two can get to a "full ending"

Uta posted...

I dont need a quest log, I just want direction. Fucking every NPC is like "Pray fate crosses our paths again" and is now in some totally new corner of the map I might have already explored and thus have no reason to return to.

Quite a few will tell you the general direction they are going, like heading to the castle in the north. The big problem is that that isn't a part of the dialogue that they repeat.

SwayM posted...

I guarantee that your (anyone reading this) first play through of Elden Ring was the absolute best when you didnt know a single thing about the world or what it contained. Where you were going, what your build was really supposed to be.

Theres a lot of magic in the unknown and figuring it out as you go along.

I dont think you need this as much as you think you do. And imho, its okay to miss things for a game like this.

No one has responded to this.

LordFarquad1312 posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4RKDGybO0s&ab_channel=WrathClub

There's not even that many weapons that scale off Faith in Elden Ring. There's like 15 that scale off Intelligence.

SwayM posted...

No one has responded to this.

i agree, my favorite playthrough was my first one despite having shit for stats and weapons.

brestugo posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/6/0/AAcJoVAAELng.jpg

delete this nephew

brestugo posted...

If Ubisoft made Elden Ring...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/6/0/AAcJoVAAELng.jpg

It would be funny if this wasn't exactly what the current fan base is clamoring for

Nosferatu_Zodd posted...

It would be funny if this wasn't exactly what the current fan base is clamoring for

"fan base"

SwayM posted...

No one has responded to this.

No one is because what makes the first play through good isnt a lack of quest direction.

This is a bad argument because Elden Ring is great despite the quests being shit.

Id go as far to say nobody even cares about the quests because of how they are implemented. When I dont know where to go, the game encourages looking it up. Like, I dunno how ANYONE would complete Mallicents quests without researching.