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LordFarquad1312
02/05/23 6:40:23 PM
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Baha05
02/05/23 6:41:16 PM
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What were you accused of specifically?

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02/05/23 6:41:18 PM
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02/05/23 6:41:52 PM
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Did you do it?
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Jiek_Fafn
02/05/23 6:42:29 PM
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We're you framed or just a case of mistaken identity?

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02/05/23 6:42:46 PM
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Alteres posted...
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LordFarquad1312
02/05/23 6:45:36 PM
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Baha05 posted...
What were you accused of specifically?
The accusation itself was just "harassment". They kept the accuser anonymous, but I was a teacher and the school asked us to enforce punctuality on our students without telling us what consequences to apply for people that were constantly late. This one girl showed up 5-10 minutes late every class, and despite talking with her, giving her extra work, giving her detention and sending emails to the parents, she never changed. As my class wasn't the only one she had a problem in this regard, I asked the administration to do something about it, which they refused. In the end, she ended up accusing me of harassment and I got fired.

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pick4six
02/05/23 6:47:10 PM
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Sexual harassment or normal harassment

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VampireCoyote
02/05/23 6:48:20 PM
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LordFarquad1312 posted...
The accusation itself was just "harassment". They kept the accuser anonymous, but I was a teacher and the school asked us to enforce punctuality on our students without telling us what consequences to apply for people that were constantly late. This one girl showed up 5-10 minutes late every class, and despite talking with her, giving her extra work, giving her detention and sending emails to the parents, she never changed. As my class wasn't the only one she had a problem in this regard, I asked the administration to do something about it, which they refused. In the end, she ended up accusing me of harassment and I got fired.

sounds like you should have just let it go

i mean was it really that big of a deal some people simply arent punctual

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VeggetaX
02/05/23 6:49:52 PM
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LordFarquad1312 posted...
The accusation itself was just "harassment". They kept the accuser anonymous, but I was a teacher and the school asked us to enforce punctuality on our students without telling us what consequences to apply for people that were constantly late. This one girl showed up 5-10 minutes late every class, and despite talking with her, giving her extra work, giving her detention and sending emails to the parents, she never changed. As my class wasn't the only one she had a problem in this regard, I asked the administration to do something about it, which they refused. In the end, she ended up accusing me of harassment and I got fired.
With your side of the story you can sue and win easily

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EndOfDiscOne
02/05/23 6:50:19 PM
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LordFarquad1312 posted...
The accusation itself was just "harassment". They kept the accuser anonymous, but I was a teacher and the school asked us to enforce punctuality on our students without telling us what consequences to apply for people that were constantly late. This one girl showed up 5-10 minutes late every class, and despite talking with her, giving her extra work, giving her detention and sending emails to the parents, she never changed. As my class wasn't the only one she had a problem in this regard, I asked the administration to do something about it, which they refused. In the end, she ended up accusing me of harassment and I got fired.
That the whole story?

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Dakimakura
02/05/23 6:51:16 PM
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LordFarquad1312 posted...
The accusation itself was just "harassment". They kept the accuser anonymous, but I was a teacher and the school asked us to enforce punctuality on our students without telling us what consequences to apply for people that were constantly late. This one girl showed up 5-10 minutes late every class, and despite talking with her, giving her extra work, giving her detention and sending emails to the parents, she never changed. As my class wasn't the only one she had a problem in this regard, I asked the administration to do something about it, which they refused. In the end, she ended up accusing me of harassment and I got fired.

Sounds like you were accurately accused of harassment.

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gunplagirl
02/05/23 6:52:06 PM
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So wait it was anonymous but you know for sure it was her?

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tremain07
02/05/23 6:58:03 PM
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TC... i hope you realize just how serious this is, a harassment complaint especially in the teaching field can harm alot, if you truly believe this was an unfair termination you need to lawyer up because this is not only your livelihood but your reputation as an educator at stake. You can't let some brat with shit parents ruin your life this easily and you especially can't let this adminstration cowardly toss you away to appease their shit parents.

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LeCh0nk
02/05/23 6:58:18 PM
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This. They wouldn't fire a teacher without an investigation at least.

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Mr_Karate_II
02/05/23 7:01:50 PM
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Sounds like there's more and your firing was justified

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Tappor
02/05/23 7:06:43 PM
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Idk about everyone immediately calling you a harasser, but it is weird that you immediately jumped to her being the accuser

Regardless, based on your side of the story, you probably should've let it go after a certain point

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LordFarquad1312
02/05/23 7:12:48 PM
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tremain07 posted...
TC... i hope you realize just how serious this is, a harassment complaint especially in the teaching field can harm alot, if you truly believe this was an unfair termination you need to lawyer up because this is not only your livelihood but your reputation as an educator at stake. You can't let some brat with shit parents ruin your life this easily and you especially can't let this adminstration cowardly toss you away to appease their shit parents.
It was an unfair termination and I did lawyer up. I was ready to go to court, but luckily in my country there is something called something like "Conciliation and Arbitration Board" where these kind of things can still be solved in "good terms". I ended up getting 4 months salary, references and a written document signed by the school administration stating that I was a responsible teacher who carried on with his work until the very last moment.

pick4six posted...
Sexual harassment or normal harassment
Just harassment. My lawyer told me if the accusation was sexual, I would've been tossed in jail no questions asked.

VampireCoyote posted...
sounds like you should have just let it go

i mean was it really that big of a deal some people simply arent punctual
When I was told by the administration to do it, it kind of is. Tbh, I just wouldn't have let the girl enter the classroom after the first couple of times, but the directors would be chewing you up for not letting a kid come to class. Like I said, I was given no measures and no alternatives when mine didn't work or the administration didn't like them .

LeCh0nk posted...
This. They wouldn't fire a teacher without an investigation at least.
I mean, it was a private school. They probably didn't think a teacher would have the resources to pursue legal action, unlike the kids' parents. The current administration is actual garbage, I am the third teacher this year (2023, not this school year) who has left the school.

Tappor posted...
Idk about everyone immediately calling you a harasser, but it is weird that you immediately jumped to her being the accuser

Regardless, based on your side of the story, you probably should've let it go after a certain point
I had no issues with any other student, and I had a good rapport with most other kids. Some even asked me for game recommendations and such.

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SenlinDescends
02/05/23 7:13:30 PM
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I mean, there's the honestly not unreasonable explanation that they think there's more to the story and doubt a school district firing over that.

But if that's the full story TC should absolutely sue

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LordFarquad1312
02/05/23 7:14:16 PM
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And people telling me to "let it go" probably have never been teachers. If you let one kid get away with something you don't like, everyone else starts doing it and then you lose group control and your classes become an actual living hell.

Trust me, my first year was a living hell.

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SenlinDescends
02/05/23 7:16:48 PM
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This sounds about right

Sounds like you've got this sorted out OP, glad for that at least

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Tappor
02/05/23 7:18:43 PM
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LordFarquad1312 posted...
I had no issues with any other student, and I had a good rapport with most other kids. Some even asked me for game recommendations and such.
Fair enough

As I said before, I don't really agree with everyone saying that you did harass her >_>

LordFarquad1312 posted...
And people telling me to "let it go" probably have never been teachers.
You would be correct, myself included


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WarfireX
02/05/23 7:30:33 PM
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Punitive measures towards lates are bull ****. I've been late to every job I've ever had and always told my employer to deal with it. I turn in better work than 99% of my peers. I have had managers try to threaten punitive measures and I always call their bluff. Maybe this is a case of the student teaching the teacher.

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pojr
02/05/23 7:34:36 PM
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so the student was anonymous. did they at least tell you what the sexual harassment was? is the student being tardy even relevant to the story? not trying to hate, just trying to gather information.

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MrResetti
02/05/23 7:37:40 PM
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WarfireX posted...
Punitive measures towards lates are bull ****. I've been late to every job I've ever had and always told my employer to deal with it. I turn in better work than 99% of my peers. I have had managers try to threaten punitive measures and I always call their bluff. Maybe this is a case of the student teaching the teacher.

You sound like a real team player

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Gremlynn
02/05/23 7:41:37 PM
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assigning extra work sounds out of line to me. points docked for attendance sure, and detentions for repeat behavior sure.

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Neoconkers
02/05/23 7:42:55 PM
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was gonna call bullshit on that being the whole story up until the point you said it was a private school, yeah then it lines up

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A_Good_Boy
02/05/23 7:47:02 PM
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CE has an irrational hatred of teachers. There was once a topic where a student beat his teachers brains in and was arrested because she confiscated his phone, and tons of people were siding with the student.

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VeggetaX
02/05/23 7:48:08 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
CE has an irrational hatred of teachers. There was once a topic where a student beat his teachers brains in and was arrested because she confiscated his phone, and tons of people were siding with the student.
CE hates anyone in the position of any power

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LordFarquad1312
02/05/23 7:51:10 PM
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pojr posted...
so the student was anonymous. did they at least tell you what the sexual harassment was? is the student being tardy even relevant to the story? not trying to hate, just trying to gather information.
It was just harassment. Not sexual harasment.

Gremlynn posted...
assigning extra work sounds out of line to me. points docked for attendance sure, and detentions for repeat behavior sure.
The school forbade behavioral issues being punished with academic measures. So I couldn't dock points for them being late. What I did was close the classroom door after the five minute grace period had passed, talk to the kids who arrived late after assigning work for the rest class, speak to them and politely ask them to be on time from then on before letting them in. If this didn't work the first couple of times, I would print the classwork give it to them and not let them in. If this still didn't work, I would leave them in detention during break time.

Most kids got the message after the independent work, or after I wrote to their parents. Not this girl whom her parents spoiled her rotten it seems.

WarfireX posted...
Punitive measures towards lates are bull ****. I've been late to every job I've ever had and always told my employer to deal with it. I turn in better work than 99% of my peers. I have had managers try to threaten punitive measures and I always call their bluff. Maybe this is a case of the student teaching the teacher.
Sounds like your teachers should have taught you the value of punctuality

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CARRRNE_ASADA
02/05/23 7:51:29 PM
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WarfireX posted...
Punitive measures towards lates are bull ****. I've been late to every job I've ever had and always told my employer to deal with it. I turn in better work than 99% of my peers. I have had managers try to threaten punitive measures and I always call their bluff. Maybe this is a case of the student teaching the teacher.

Lmao. You deserve to be fired anyway. Being a productive employee doesnt mean youre above the law.

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LordFarquad1312
02/06/23 11:09:28 AM
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Last bump in case anyone wants more information.

You need not limit yourself to the incident at hand either.

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GuerrillaSoldier
02/06/23 11:13:59 AM
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when you spoke to her, was it actually civil? respectful? they are things you would say in front of anyone? her parents, the principal, everything?

because from your story of the overall process, everything sound legitimate. but what's missing entirely are details, and maybe that's true in your reports as well?

did you get angry? did you raise your voice? did you threaten, or say bad things?

everything looks really nice on paper though. if she has no records of how you actually acted towards her, then yeah, seems like she was the guilty one here.

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thronedfire2
02/06/23 11:21:48 AM
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Gremlynn posted...
assigning extra work sounds out of line to me. points docked for attendance sure, and detentions for repeat behavior sure.

if shes 10 minutes late every day shes missing a bunch of work, doesnt seem out of line to assign extra to me

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LordFarquad1312
02/06/23 11:37:42 AM
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GuerrillaSoldier posted...
when you spoke to her, was it actually civil? respectful? they are things you would say in front of anyone? her parents, the principal, everything?

because from your story of the overall process, everything sound legitimate. but what's missing entirely are details, and maybe that's true in your reports as well?

did you get angry? did you raise your voice? did you threaten, or say bad things?

everything looks really nice on paper though. if she has no records of how you actually acted towards her, then yeah, seems like she was the guilty one here.
Last talk was out on the patio. I just wrote a report stating that she constantly arrived late and none of the measures taken had had any impact. She asked for more specificity on the matter so I wrote down the measures I had taken up to that point, which I mentioned in a previous post.
At the end she asked what my end goal was and I told her "the only thing I'm asking is the same thing I've been asking you for 3 months: arrive on time to my lesson".

Later on I was told she felt exposed by the fact that I did all this out on the patio, but upon further reflection, had I done it in private inside a classroom, she could've come up with whatever story she felt like to fit her narrative. At least this way I had witnesses that I did everything civil and professionally.

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NoxObscuras
02/06/23 12:06:58 PM
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LordFarquad1312 posted...
And people telling me to "let it go" probably have never been teachers. If you let one kid get away with something you don't like, everyone else starts doing it and then you lose group control and your classes become an actual living hell.
I think losing control is a possibility, but not the only outcome.

In my senior year of high school, I drove myself to school and I was consistently 5-10 minutes late to my first class every day. The teacher talked to me about it a few times, but he never gave me detention, or assigned me extra work. He eventually just accepted that I was going to be late and marked me tardy whenever he took roll. He never lost control of the classroom, and I was the only one that was always late.

LordFarquad1312 posted...
At the end she asked what my end goal was and I told her "the only thing I'm asking is the same thing I've been asking you for 3 months: arrive on time to my lesson".
So, while I don't think you deserved to get fired for all of this, I will say this: From her point of view, you were constantly on her case about this for 3 months straight.

You were just doing your job, but I bet that got really annoying for her. The solution was obviously for her to arrive on time, but since she didn't, she continually got punished. And if you were the only teacher enforcing being on time, she probably felt like you were singling her out and started to really hate you.

I'm not blaming you, I'm just saying that I can see how she might have arrived at that accusation.

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Rexdragon125
02/06/23 12:14:09 PM
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With some people punctuality just isn't a part of their culture. I know a few people who you have to lie to them that a gathering is like 2 hours before it actually starts so they show up at a reasonable time.
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R1masher
02/06/23 12:18:51 PM
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Robert Evans said Theres three sides to every story, your side, my side, and the truth, and nobody is lying

Reminds me of the Akira Kurosawa film Rashomon in which the characters while stating the facts were all bending it to make themselves appear better

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TaylorHeinicke
02/06/23 12:19:32 PM
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LordFarquad1312 posted...
The school forbade behavioral issues being punished with academic measures.
Is more work not technically an academic measure?

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02/06/23 12:20:29 PM
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Sounds like harassment. TC talks like they have an authority issue.

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Solid_Seb
02/06/23 12:39:49 PM
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Yea I was assuming public school up till that point. A teacher giving a singular fuck about lateness beyond taking attendance is insane. Just mark them and let administration deal with it. If they don't care enough to do anything then neither should you.

Fact is you did harass her, even if you felt it was justified, so saying falsely accused is misleading. This might be a 'imo' type of thing, but contacting parents should be reserved for slipping grades or disruptive behaviors. Assigning extra work is definitely overstepping though, leave the disciplinary actions to administration and keep your hands clean.
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LordFarquad1312
02/06/23 1:31:51 PM
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NoxObscuras posted...
In my senior year of high school, I drove myself to school and I was consistently 5-10 minutes late to my first class every day. The teacher talked to me about it a few times, but he never gave me detention, or assigned me extra work. He eventually just accepted that I was going to be late and marked me tardy whenever he took roll. He never lost control of the classroom, and I was the only one that was always late.
There were measures in place for HS students. If they didn't have 80% attendance, they automatically had to do a final exam at the end of the semester. 3 late marks count as an absence. I didn't do anything extra in this case, since there where already consequences in place.
Either way, I wouldn't really care that much if a senior student was doing it. This was a junior high girl, were no measures were in place, and because my country's education system us garbage before the National University steps in, students can literally not show up to any lesson, do nothing and still get a passing grade at the end of the term.
NoxObscuras posted...
You were just doing your job, but I bet that got really annoying for her. The solution was obviously for her to arrive on time, but since she didn't, she continually got punished. And if you were the only teacher enforcing being on time, she probably felt like you were singling her out and started to really hate you.
Thing is, I was a Math teacher, so I saw all my groups every day. It was really easy for me to notice when things were consistent, unlike teachers who only see their groups once or twice a week. Mind you, I did report all of it to the competent authorities and proceeded according to the protocol, as much as I could once there were no longer protocols in place.

Solid_Seb posted...
Fact is you did harass her, even if you felt it was justified, so saying falsely accused is misleading. This might be a 'imo' type of thing, but contacting parents should be reserved for slipping grades or disruptive behaviors. Assigning extra work is definitely overstepping though, leave the disciplinary actions to administration and keep your hands clean.
I didn't assign extra work, just gave her the work she would have done in class, didn't let her in and told her to give it to me by the start of the next lesson. And I contacted the parents after being instructed by my lead teacher to do so. Also, she had a 9/10 average on the first term. Last I saw, she had a 6/10 average this term, so there was reason for concern.

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