Current Events > NY School serves Chicken n Waffles with Watermelon for lunch

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Actual ethnic African food.

Why should a time of the year that was started as a time to teach and commemorate the struggles and history of black Americans exclude any sort of culture or history about black Americans? The culture and history of Africans are an addition to the month, but they're not a substitution.

Tyranthraxus posted...

If you wanted to have something based on food made by slaves, you could have Okra soup, black eyed peas, gruel, fried rabbit, buttermilk biscuits, kale salads.
Like 99% of slave diet was greens & gruel. They weren't allowed to have anything else. Sometimes the white guys milk spoiled so it was given to the slaves and they could use it to make biscuits. Sometimes slaves could go out and hunt rabbits or catch them as rabbits tried to eat crops they were tending.

Only the really well off slaves (as far as slaves could be considered well off) had access to things like fried chicken. And though it's got origins in slavery it's not a good example of the history of slaves.

I don't see anything wrong with teaching the history regarding certain food items, but just because those foods have a history that stems from slavery doesn't mean that they're not still not celebrated food items that are still being eaten to this day. What good does it do to talk about history while omitting how that history informs the present? Sure, fried chicken has a contentious past but it's still a widely consumed food.

Besides, I think what everyone is getting their panties twisted in a bunch about is the negative stereotypes surrounding fried chicken. What's being discussed is not fried chicken, what we're talking about is chicken AND waffles. The inclusion of the other food accompaniment makes it a different dish with a different history. Cause last I checked, slaves weren't eating waffles and didn't have syrup.

A_Good_Boy posted...

Besides, I think

clearly you dont

bigblu89 posted...

I know this. Which is why I don't understand why everyone is OK with the US bastardization of the holiday.

But OK. I'll let it go.

many people arent ok with it

in Mexico most people dont even really celebrate cinco de mayo, its just this weird thing in the US because people started equating it to the fourth of July even though that isnt what it is at all

A_Good_Boy posted...

What's being discussed is not fried chicken, what we're talking about is chicken AND waffles. The inclusion of the other food accompaniment makes it a different dish with a different history. Cause last I checked, slaves weren't eating waffles and didn't have syrup.

How could anyone possibly read shit like this and believe the person saying it is doing so in good faith?

UnholyMudcrab posted...

How could anyone possibly read shit like this and believe the person saying it is doing so in good faith?

What is that you are saying then?

Bishop9800 posted...

clearly you dont

At least Tyranthraxus wasn't a coward and wasn't afraid to state what should be available besides chicken and waffles. Once you've finished with the histrionics then feel free to chat some more.

I4NRulez posted...

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2013/05/22/186087397/where-did-that-fried-chicken-stereotype-come-from

"The only reason these things are even an issue is because nobody knows what white people eat,"

oh damn.

A_Good_Boy posted...

At least Tyranthraxus wasn't a coward and wasn't afraid to state what should be available besides chicken and waffles. Once you've finished with the histrionics then feel free to chat some more.

And I asked you what should be served since you're a black person (supposedly), and all you did was make more racist jokes and shit.

Questionmarktarius posted...

oh damn.

yeah, ignore the whole article about the context on why its racist and focus on the lighthearted chappelle quote at the end

UnholyMudcrab posted...

How could anyone possibly read shit like this and believe the person saying it is doing so in good faith?

Hey man, did you know that when you add to, change, or modify a dish then you've got a different food item? Cause when you ever look up harmful stereotypes about black people you'll see plenty of offensive images involving fried chicken and watermelon, but you'll hardly see any of those images also include waffles. That's because chicken and waffles and fried chicken are two different meals. You can't exclude the waffles when talking about chicken and waffles, cause if you do then all you've got is fried chicken, and we've actually been discussing chicken and waffles this whole entire time.

A_Good_Boy posted...

Why should a time of the year that was started as a time to teach and commemorate the struggles and history of black Americans exclude any sort of culture or history about black Americans? The culture and history of Africans are an addition to the month, but they're not a substitution.

Black history didn't start in America. It's not "We used to have slaves awareness month"

A_Good_Boy posted...

I don't see anything wrong with teaching the history regarding certain food items, but just because those foods have a history that stems from slavery doesn't mean that they're not still not celebrated food items that are still being eaten to this day. What good does it do to talk about history while omitting how that history informs the present? Sure, fried chicken has a contentious past but it's still a widely consumed food.

Besides, I think what everyone is getting their panties twisted in a bunch about is the negative stereotypes surrounding fried chicken. What's being discussed is not fried chicken, what we're talking about is chicken AND waffles. The inclusion of the other food accompaniment makes it a different dish with a different history. Cause last I checked, slaves weren't eating waffles and didn't have syrup.

"Slaves didn't eat chicken and waffles" is exactly the reason you shouldn't serve it for Black History Month and the watermelon connection literally originates from a racist as fuck cartoon from after the civil war.

A_Good_Boy posted...

At least Tyranthraxus wasn't a coward and wasn't afraid to state what should be available besides chicken and waffles. Once you've finished with the histrionics then feel free to chat some more.

Yeah, pretty sure I heard someone else recently throw the label 'coward' at someone who refused to engage in them in their bullshit nonsensical ravings unconvincingly framed as 'debate.' Now who was that again...

https://twitter.com/RepMTG/status/1621334599396724737?s=20&t=ZJsFnd0o6T_wMDfawOt1EQ

Tyranthraxus posted...

Black history didn't start in America. It's not "We used to have slaves awareness month"

Black history didn't start in America, but Black History Month did. It's a time of the year created by black Americans with black Americans in mind as the main focus. Literally FuBu.

Tyranthraxus posted...

"Slaves didn't eat chicken and waffles" is exactly the reason you shouldn't serve it for Black History Month and the watermelon connection literally originates from a racist as fuck cartoon from after the civil war.

Black history and culture doesn't stop at slavery. If the month has been being commemorated since the 70's then why shouldn't it ignore history that occurred before its inception? Chicken and waffles can be traced back to at least the 30's, so it seems like it's fair game for it to be included in any discussion about black history.

A_Good_Boy posted...

Black history didn't start in America, but Black History Month did. It's a time of the year created by black Americans with black Americans in mind as the main focus. Literally FuBu.

note that we've decided to punt black history to the shortest month.

masterpug53 posted...

Yeah, pretty sure I heard someone else recently throw the label 'coward' at someone who refused to engage in them in their bullshit nonsensical ravings unconvincingly framed as 'debate.' Now who was that again.

Gumbo, catfish (fried or baked), mac&cheese, okra, fish/shrimp & grits.

There, now find the stereotype.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/6/9/AAXV7yAAEJi1.jpg

Bam! Delicious

Well, I suppose that explains why the mods haven't done anything about this

Has it really been a year since the last time this happened

We should embrace fun and delicious stereotypes

UnholyMudcrab posted...

Well, I suppose that explains why the mods haven't done anything about this

about what?

UnholyMudcrab posted...

Well, I suppose that explains why the mods haven't done anything about this

Chicken & waffles =/= fried chicken

If I served you up a slice of bread, a piece of toast, a piece of toast sandwiched between twice slices of bread, a piece of toast with beans on it, a piece of toast sprinkled with cinnamon and sugar, and a piece of toast covered in butter and sprinkles; you'd have several different menu items with different history's coming from different cultures and different backgrounds, even though the main component is essentially just bread. Same thing with chicken and waffles and fried chicken.

Fried chicken is a stereotype, chicken and waffles is just delicious.

DuuuDe14 posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/6/9/AAXV7yAAEJi1.jpg

Bam! Delicious

not a big fan of leaning into the sweet side of the dish, but you do you.

This is like the NYTimes Nazi symbol crossword puzzle on the day of Hanukkah. It just somehow keeps happening. Somehow

iPhone_7 posted...

This is like the NYTimes Nazi symbol crossword puzzle on the day of Hanukkah. It just somehow keeps happening. Somehow

never heard of that, when did it happen?

Sounds good

VampireCoyote posted...

never heard of that, when did it happen?

https://nypost.com/2022/12/19/new-york-times-slammed-over-swastika-crossword-on-first-day-of-hanukkah/

VampireCoyote posted...

never heard of that, when did it happen?

https://youtu.be/0ZM9-ZbBoAc

I assume this

Of course serve Chicken and Waffles any other month and nothing happens but because it is Black History Month people lose it. At least they should have thought this out before doing so...twice.

Norman_Smiley posted...

Sounds delicious

It does but it's still fucked up too.

School cafeteria menus are a revolving door of options. I bet they serve fried chicken at least one a month. Why is it significant that they serve it in February?

A_Good_Boy posted...

What's racist about chicken and waffles? Go to any black owned restaurant and you'll see that on the menu.

Guess Caribbean people are built different, because the black owned restaurants I go to dont.

I understand theres a racial stereotype here but Ive never really understood why its a racial stereotype

Growing up we had fried chicken, waffles, and watermelon all the damn time as a white Midwestern family. All three of those things are delicious.

littlebro07 posted...

I understand theres a racial stereotype here but Ive never really understood why its a racial stereotype

Growing up we had fried chicken, waffles, and watermelon all the damn time as a white Midwestern family. All three of those things are delicious.

i posted the link with context as to why its racist

littlebro07 posted...

I understand theres a racial stereotype here but Ive never really understood why its a racial stereotype

Growing up we had fried chicken, waffles, and watermelon all the damn time as a white Midwestern family. All three of those things are delicious.

For fried chicken and watermelon, they go back to slavery and post-slavery times. They were "poor" and "uncivilized" foods. They are easily accessible and finger foods ie not for a higher quality of people.

It's the same thing as they grape soda and wine stereotypes. It's all about perception and class distinction through whatever means, even with food and drinks.

Yes, friend chicken and watermelon and waffles are great. Delicious. There are even high class places that probably have dishes with them that cost a shit ton of money.

But the overall, historical connotation is rooted in that separation.

After the Civil War, the former slaves had to get a job.
Producing your own food that you could both eat and sell was the easiest solution, and both chicken and watermelon were popular choices. Watermelons even became a symbol of their freedom.
Former slave owners didnt like this, so they started to create caricatures of happy barefooted blacks eating watermelons, which basically said that they were a simple race that you could make happy with something as simple as a watermelon. They are also finger food that you get dirty eating, thus it fits the lower race.
That "the superior white race" also ate it didnt matter.
Waffles are newer, but still an old racistic stereotype. Watermalons have been brought up at the Obama election earlier in this topic, but they did also have Obama waffles.

https://youtu.be/KzjGkquFGlk

masterpug53 posted...

Call me nave, but I want to believe that no one in this topic who's being willfully ignorant about this stereotype is truly uneducated enough to be doing so honestly.

My post history speaks for itself.

I always knew about "fried chicken and watermelon" being stereotypical, but not chicken and waffles.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/3/6/AAPstsAAEJ1E.jpg
Their apology made it worse lmao

They knew what they were doing, messed up

Here I thought we didn't need black history month anymore. Y'all acting goofy like y'all don't know that fried chicken and watermelon were used to attack Black Americans. Y'all acting like there weren't shows on tv with black face characters eating watermelon. Don't be this goofy, do better.

Y'all sus af.

I think that it is a good way to start black history month.
Let the students eat good food, then teach them the history about how it turned into racist food stereotypes.
That racists took a symbol for black freedom and success and turned it into a racial caricature against them.
That we have allowed them to keep doing this for over 150 years.
That it is only a racistic symbole for as long as we allow it and that it is time to take it back. To turn it into a symbole of good food that everybody enjoys, no matter what skin color you got or what you got between your legs.
If somebody post the watermelon caricature, then reply with a white guy eating watermelon, or one with people of different skin colors sharing one.
Take the power from them and they will stop using it.