Current Events > Cops should not be aiming for the head, ever.

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Point blank, it should be attempted murder charges if the victim lives and murder charges if they don't. You can't kick someone's head like a fucking football and say "well I didn't mean to kill them or it was not my intent"

I agree.

Shoot to disarm. Shoot to disable.

A dead person cant go to court.

https://youtu.be/spTOR0JholI

I agree that it should be the VERY last method to go to. But shit like this

Rikishi posted...

You could easily shoot a person in the arm or leg and they will go down

Is just silly. This sounds like what you say if you don't understand the difference in shooting a bottle and shooting an aggro human. Nothing is easy about some of the more intense situations cops find themselves in.

Rikishi posted...

Yes I been saying this for years. Cops need much better training if all they do is shoot to kill. You could easily shoot a person in the arm or leg and they will go down.

oh good time for this debate again

Bass_X0 posted...

I agree.

Shoot to disarm. Shoot to disable.

A dead person cant go to court.

No such thing as shoot to disable, if youre shooting someone at all youre using deadly force. A shot anywhere can kill someone.

shooting to disarm is some movie-tier shit thats not at all practical or possible 99% of the time.

I agree that cops absolutely should not be kicking someone in the head. But if youre shooting someone youre committed to the fact that there is a high chance they are dying.

Bass_X0 posted...

I agree.

Shoot to disarm. Shoot to disable.

A dead person cant go to court.

Rikishi posted...

Yes I been saying this for years. Cops need much better training if all they do is shoot to kill. You could easily shoot a person in the arm or leg and they will go down.

Guys, video game logic very rarely transfers over to real life. Real people dont have a certain number of hit points before they die or become incapacitated, so shooting an extremity isnt going to have they same effect on everyone.

The shoot them in the leg argument is fucking stupid

Itachi157 posted...

No such thing as shoot to disable, if youre shooting someone at all youre using deadly force. A shot anywhere can kill someone.

shooting to disarm is some movie-tier shit thats not at all practical or possible 99% of the time.

I agree that cops absolutely should not be kicking someone in the head. But if youre shooting someone youre committed to the fact that there is a high chance they are dying.

Agreed. You don't aim/shoot at anything you don't want to kill.

Smackems posted...

The shoot them in the leg argument is fucking stupid

If a cop is shooting someone, they have assessed that the threat needs to be stopped immediately. If you shoot someone in the leg, they will likely not go down immediately and can either injure the officer or someone who is being threatened. And then they might die anyway.

party_animal07 posted...

Agreed. You don't aim/shoot at anything you don't want to kill.

This though... Pointing a gun at someone to warn them does work sometimes. I know because it happened to me and I backed down and left

Once anyway. One other time I got kinda stupid

Did no one read the OP? TC isn't even talking about guns.

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I did. But I didn't feel like it excluded talking about the much more obvious thing people would go to.

afaik they're trained to aim for center mass first. they only aim for the head if 2 shots in the center don't put the target down (ie: they're probably wearing body armor) >_>

Itachi157 posted...

If a cop is shooting someone, they have assessed that the threat needs to be stopped immediately. If you shoot someone in the leg, they will likely not go down immediately and can either injure the officer or someone who is being threatened. And then they might die anyway.

Yeah you can die from blood loss in the leg or arm. There are accounts going back at least hundreds of years of this happening even in sword fights

justaguy3492 posted...

Did no one read the OP? TC isn't even talking about guns.

Yes, but we were addressing another post

Tc is right

No one should aim for the head except some snipers. Good way to just outright miss unless your gun is literally against their head.

Center of mass. Still pretty fatal but if you aren't pinpoint still a good chance of tagging an arm or a lung/kidney or something.

So yeah they shouldn't.
Bass_X0 posted...

I agree.

Shoot to disarm. Shoot to disable.

A dead person cant go to court.

If you are using a gun you are shooting to kill.

If the person goea down and lives great but lmao you aren't shooting the gun so it flies out of their hand or some shit.

Also a shot leg can easily kill. The leg has major Arteries that bleed out fast as fuck. Not to mention if moving good chance a leg shot brings you toppling down so a nice chance for some head trauma too.

I think police need to use less force on average and need better training but they aren't going to be fucking action heroes even with that. If the gun needs to come out they better not try to shoot someones hand or something that is stupid beyond belief.

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This.

As for the topic at hand, obviously. Clubbing or kicking someone in the head is just insanely dangerous and should be an automatically fireable and chargeable offense barring meaningful life and death situations. And merely resisting is not that.

As for the topic that a load of people apparently think this is cops arent trained to aim for the head for the same reason theyre not trained to aim for limbs. Theyre smaller targets and are harder to hit. Theyre trained to shoot the core. In scenarios where discharging a firearm is actually necessary, you shoot to stop a target and the most effective way of doing that is aiming for the biggest target, the torso.

They should only be allowed to shoot the weapon out of the criminals hand and not hit the murderer at all. I watch John Wick a lot. It seems very easy to do.

TC is right for the wrong reason

You never ever aim for the head. You always aim for the chest. It's a basic rule of gun safety.

Aiming is hard, hitting a moving target in a high stress situation is hard. You aim for the head or legs or arm and you increase the risk of missing the target and hitting a bystander

Meanwhile guys saying "Aim for the arm/leg"

1. As stated, more dangerous for innocent bystanders
2. A shot in the limb can still be fatal
3. ^ Alternatively it can be miminal. If a guy is attacking you or others, especially if on drugs, it might not stop them.

Know what you're aiming at, aim for the chest and don't pull your gun out unless you're willing to kill the target

Those are some basic gun safety tips.

https://youtu.be/JDWJAT4g4Sk

https://youtu.be/k5Mgc84iLvU

https://youtu.be/xB8-nwb6i7A

CE had some real CE reactions to this.

Obviously police shouldn't aim for the head with their guns, that's stupid. Because the head is a smaller target and rounds travel.

I was not-so-subtly talking about the Tyre Nichols video where officers are kicking him in the head when he can't even resist at all.

Bass_X0 posted...

I agree.

Shoot to disarm. Shoot to disable.

A dead person cant go to court.

There's no such thing as "shoot to disarm".

Cops are trained to shoot center of mass, i.e the torso for a reason. It's the easiest to hit while still bringing them down.

Plus, lets say you shoot someone in the leg to "wound" them and hit their femoral artery. They'll bleed out before the ambulance is dispatched.

You definitely shouldn't shoot at people with your feet. That's reckless af

whitelytning posted...

They should only be allowed to shoot the weapon out of the criminals hand and not hit the murderer at all. I watch John Wick a lot. It seems very easy to do.

Does John Wick ever shoot a weapon out of someone's hand? Doesnt he typically just do head shots or body shots?

Cops should just use net guns. Maybe with electrified nets that shock the bad guys and bring them down.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ex-arkansas-deputies-seen-striking-man-video-are-charged-rcna67337

Like these fucks should already be in prison for attempted murder. Repeatedly hitting someone in the head, while they're face down.