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WingsOfGood 01/28/23 6:06:24 PM #1: |
1975, the average grocery store clerk was earning the equivalent of $29 an hour, or about $58,000 a year. Sauce ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 01/28/23 6:07:38 PM #2: |
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/6/8/AAEhCpAAEIfo.jpg unexpected item in bagging area ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 01/28/23 6:09:38 PM #3: |
This means your white collar job is barely paying you more than a clerk at a grocer in 1975 Double this is about $120k Except they had better benefits than you do ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DeadBankerDream 01/28/23 6:10:46 PM #4: |
okay --- "That thick shaft that causes women to shudder!" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MedeaLysistrata 01/28/23 6:11:16 PM #5: |
the more people bring out these arguments the more sure i become that money just doesn't work like that. --- Please join the 100 Presidents community board and contribute to the project! Check back for updates! https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1568-100-presidents ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 01/28/23 6:15:48 PM #6: |
MedeaLysistrata posted... the more people bring out these arguments the more sure i become that money just doesn't work like that. Go here https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/ Type in $5.33 now shut the fuck up ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MedeaLysistrata 01/28/23 6:18:00 PM #7: |
WingsOfGood posted... Go herethe median rent in 1975 was apparently 211 dollars, so how long would you have to work to pay a month's rent? --- Please join the 100 Presidents community board and contribute to the project! Check back for updates! https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1568-100-presidents ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 01/28/23 6:19:53 PM #8: |
MedeaLysistrata posted... the median rent in 1975 was apparently 211 dollars, so how long would you have to work to pay a month's rent? https://ipropertymanagement.com/research/average-rent-by-year that would be 1 week to pay your rent Anymore questions? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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saffronne 01/28/23 6:21:21 PM #9: |
Lol loves these apples-to-oranges comparisons of income in this year vs that year from all these people with liberal arts degrees drowning in student debt --- booty ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 01/28/23 6:23:01 PM #10: |
saffronne posted... Lol loves these apples-to-oranges comparisons of income in this year vs that year from all these people with liberal arts degrees drowning in student debt you are making less than a cashier from 1975 how is whatever degree or whatever working out for you? sad @saffronne they bought a house, 2 cars and had 4 kids what you got? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MedeaLysistrata 01/28/23 6:23:53 PM #11: |
WingsOfGood posted... https://ipropertymanagement.com/research/average-rent-by-yearidk. it just makes no sense to me. i don't get why greedy people are being greedy and i'm being told about it. --- Please join the 100 Presidents community board and contribute to the project! Check back for updates! https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1568-100-presidents ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 01/28/23 6:25:53 PM #12: |
MedeaLysistrata posted... idk. it just makes no sense to me. are you a boomer? boomers don't seem to grasp inflation younger people do get it especially when they buy same thing today they bought in 2019 and it nearly doubled in price ... Copied to Clipboard!
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averagejoel 01/28/23 6:28:17 PM #13: |
WingsOfGood posted... are you a boomer?in this specific case it's more like price gouging than inflation --- http://error1355.com/ce/averagejoel.html ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MedeaLysistrata 01/28/23 6:28:46 PM #14: |
WingsOfGood posted... are you a boomer?i get that the cost of things goes up, but if you understand that then what is your fucking point? the cost of things has gone up. there is even more than one reason for this. to me, what you do, is you start a game and get to the logo and then reset it and present the logo.. over and over... "this is... LABOUR STRUGGLE" and then you make a new topic which presents the exact the same premise and doesn't move the discourse forward at all also, i do think it's ridiculous that something like 50k isn't the base pay for everyone in countries like the US. --- Please join the 100 Presidents community board and contribute to the project! Check back for updates! https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1568-100-presidents ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MedeaLysistrata 01/28/23 6:30:31 PM #15: |
but i'm sure you're an expert in hitting multiple beats at once and transforming it into something amazing when you get in the zone and use your creativity to argue against naysayers --- Please join the 100 Presidents community board and contribute to the project! Check back for updates! https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1568-100-presidents ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 01/28/23 6:32:39 PM #16: |
MedeaLysistrata posted... i get that the cost of things goes up, but if you understand that then what is your fucking point? the cost of things has gone up. there is even more than one reason for this. inflation calculator shows the buying power of $5.33 in 1975 and equates that buying power to 2023 it isn't just costs go up like, if you don't understand this you can read about it but going "this is obviously made up! people back then didn't have more buying power! blah blah" that is a pretty stupid take you even provided your own example, rent was a whole lot cheaper such that 40 hour a week at $5.33 you could pay it easily in one week or less can you do that today? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DirkDiggles 01/28/23 6:37:07 PM #17: |
WingsOfGood posted... https://ipropertymanagement.com/research/average-rent-by-year You forgot to include taxes in on that. Also, if they had company-wide insurance. You are looking at $925-975. --- Intel 486, Integrated videocard, 16MB RAM, 64MB HD, 3 1/4 inch floppy ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 01/28/23 6:37:24 PM #18: |
MedeaLysistrata posted... but i'm sure you're an expert in hitting multiple beats at once and transforming it into something amazing when you get in the zone and use your creativity to argue against naysayers I shared someone else's post who is using a calculator created by someone else these are KNOWN things and you are literally the one who is like "oh I don't buy it!" like holy moly MedeaLysistrata posted... but i'm sure you're an expert in hitting multiple beats at once and transforming it into something amazing when you get in the zone and use your creativity to argue against naysayers I didn't make the website. go lookup the experts they agree with these takes you are claiming are made up or how about it do it fucking for you https://theintercept.com/2021/03/05/minimum-wage-raise-15/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/08/07/for-most-us-workers-real-wages-have-barely-budged-for-decades/ the experts are where this comes from not people like me HOLY MOLY ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 01/28/23 6:39:22 PM #19: |
maybe you just upset to know a clerk in 1975 made more money than you do today? use that anger productively rather than be in denial ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Baha05 01/28/23 6:40:04 PM #20: |
WingsOfGood posted... maybe you just upset to know a clerk in 1975 made more money than you do today?Is this projection? --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 01/28/23 6:40:53 PM #21: |
Baha05 posted... Is this projection? it is for you? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Baha05 01/28/23 6:41:22 PM #22: |
WingsOfGood posted... it is for you?I mean you are the one that seems angry here? --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MedeaLysistrata 01/28/23 6:41:30 PM #23: |
WingsOfGood posted... inflation calculator shows the buying power of $5.33 in 1975 and equates that buying power to 2023In 2016 I could, yes. But I was living with roommates and it sucked, which I imagine was the unfavorable situation for many people back then as well. Wages for the job I'd be doing have gone up around 2 dollars since then and if I just rent a room it would be cheap enough. It's not actually worth it, but yeah. The number of jobs that pay more than 58k have gone up as well, you can't really ignore that. It just boils down to technology and what people value. Cashiering hasn't developed much since before self checkout so why would it's cost go up Oh my bad --- Please join the 100 Presidents community board and contribute to the project! Check back for updates! https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1568-100-presidents ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 01/28/23 6:42:15 PM #24: |
Baha05 posted... I mean you are the one that seems angry here? https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/10nczjx/comment/j6a8uor/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Baha05 01/28/23 6:42:57 PM #25: |
WingsOfGood posted... https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/10nczjx/comment/j6a8uor/Which changes what a out this topic or your attitude? --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MetroidGamer666 01/28/23 6:45:45 PM #26: |
What happened? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 01/28/23 6:45:54 PM #27: |
MedeaLysistrata posted... In 2016 I could, yes. But I was living with roommates and it sucked, which I imagine was the unfavorable situation for many people back then as well. Wages for the job I'd be doing have gone up around 2 dollars since then and if I just rent a room it would be cheap enough. so your metric for today is that if you make just barely above a grocery clerk in 1975 then you are doing good and should be happy and not complain? oh sweet summer child argument https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/10nczjx/comment/j6abl6s
Did you use your small raise to buy a house like the grocer cashier in 1975 already owned? Kinda odd you used RENT to compare when they literally would just buy a fucking house. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MedeaLysistrata 01/28/23 6:47:44 PM #28: |
WingsOfGood posted... so your metric for today is that if you make just barely above a grocery clerk in 1975 then you are doing good and should be happy and not complain?Everyone has a right to complain about their wage. What's wrong with making barely above a grocery clerk? You too good for grocery clerks? --- Please join the 100 Presidents community board and contribute to the project! Check back for updates! https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1568-100-presidents ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 01/28/23 6:49:26 PM #29: |
MedeaLysistrata posted... Everyone has a right to complain about their wage. are you complaining about it? you said: MedeaLysistrata posted... The number of jobs that pay more than 58k have gone up as well, you can't really ignore that. It just boils down to technology and what people value. Cashiering hasn't developed much since before self checkout so why would it's cost go up Sounds more like comfort than complaint. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 01/28/23 6:51:10 PM #30: |
MedeaLysistrata posted... Everyone has a right to complain about their wage.Everyone should be making at least $40/hr now then. We shouldn't be poorer than we were 50 years ago. I'm sure corporate profits and executive pay haven't been cut in half over the last 50 years. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png he/him/they/them ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 01/28/23 6:51:30 PM #31: |
but you did also ask, what is wrong with just barely making above what they did back then well the problem is you cannot buy a house and feed 4 kids like they did can you? yes? no? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MedeaLysistrata 01/28/23 6:51:36 PM #32: |
WingsOfGood posted... are you complaining about it?I'd be fine making 58k. I have never made that much. --- Please join the 100 Presidents community board and contribute to the project! Check back for updates! https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1568-100-presidents ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MedeaLysistrata 01/28/23 6:52:45 PM #33: |
hockeybub89 posted... We shouldn't be poorer than we were 50 years ago.Actually since we've used up a ton of resources since inventing plastic and etc, we absolutely should be poorer. Infinite growth is an insane myth. --- Please join the 100 Presidents community board and contribute to the project! Check back for updates! https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1568-100-presidents ... Copied to Clipboard!
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saffronne 01/28/23 6:53:08 PM #34: |
how about this: 99.99999% of people who ever lived throughout history were absolutely destitute, and the relative prosperity of post-WW2 US economy was a severe anomaly that was built on the destruction of the rest of the globe's industrial base and was never going to last --- booty ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 01/28/23 6:53:08 PM #35: |
MedeaLysistrata posted... I'd be fine making 58k. I have never made that much. so I hit the nail on the head: WingsOfGood posted... maybe you just upset to know a clerk in 1975 made more money than you do today? You shouldn't try to bend reality to spare yourself. And no I am not trying to be mean you are the one who came into this thread to act like this is made up and not reality. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 01/28/23 6:54:29 PM #36: |
saffronne posted... how about this: 99.99999% of people who ever lived throughout history were absolutely destitute, and the relative prosperity of post-WW2 US economy was a severe anomaly that was built on the destruction of the rest of the globe's industrial base and was never going to last "there were slaves in ancient mesopotamia before Christ so you should shut up and be glad you get anything while I have record profits of billions!" am I doing it right? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MedeaLysistrata 01/28/23 6:55:49 PM #37: |
WingsOfGood posted... so I hit the nail on the head:My dude, clerk is pretty much the tier of labour that I'm in and people wanting to make more than a clerk is why it pays so low. --- Please join the 100 Presidents community board and contribute to the project! Check back for updates! https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1568-100-presidents ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 01/28/23 6:56:35 PM #38: |
MedeaLysistrata posted... My dude, clerk is pretty much the tier of labour that I'm in and people wanting to make more than a clerk is why it pays so low. what this thread is saying is a clerk should make today what it did back then understood? also the average job, whatever it is should as well as clerk was only looked at because it was the average job (as in job most amercians were doing) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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wanderingshade 01/28/23 7:01:01 PM #39: |
And the late 70s gas was like 70 cents a gallon. A car was $5,000 and a House was around $17,000. It was also less than 50 cents for a pack of cigarettes. --- "You're made of spare parts, aren't ya, bud?" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 01/28/23 7:01:42 PM #40: |
fyi the average job today would be like the dude at best buy you talk to The top three most common jobs in America are retail sales representatives, office clerks, and registered nurses. Some of the most common jobs in America only require a high school diploma or GED, while others require at least a bachelor's degree.Sep 6, 2022 https://www.zippia.com/advice/the-most-common-jobs-in-america/
https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/finding-a-job/most-common-jobs-in-america 1. Cashier Doesn't look like they are making similar to those people in 1975 that is the issue ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VampireCoyote 01/28/23 7:03:43 PM #41: |
people are always gonna be mostly broke until they topple the status quo that puts the wealthy in charge of everything only way things will change --- She/her ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 01/28/23 7:06:21 PM #42: |
the other point you can draw from this was how in 1975 you didn't need college or specialized skill to live life you could work at the grocer and have a fulfilling life (as in could support kids if you wanted without worry; not saying that is only fulfilling life just saying it was an actual option as many today it is not) and boomers not understanding how today is not like then is why they act like it is so easy today when it is quite the opposite by understanding that these issues exist, it changes your mind about the fight for a living wage and UBI and all that ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MedeaLysistrata 01/28/23 7:08:27 PM #43: |
WingsOfGood posted... what this thread is saying is a clerk should make today what it did back thenDid you miss the part where I said I think 50k should be a base salary? --- Please join the 100 Presidents community board and contribute to the project! Check back for updates! https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1568-100-presidents ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 01/28/23 7:10:01 PM #44: |
MedeaLysistrata posted... Did you miss the part where I said I think 50k should be a base salary? but why? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lorenzo_2003 01/28/23 7:26:19 PM #45: |
WingsOfGood posted... Sauce Wow, the US used to be great. I wonder if theres a way to make it great again. --- ... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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averagejoel 01/28/23 10:25:54 PM #46: |
saffronne posted... how about this: 99.99999% of people who ever lived throughout history were absolutely destitute, and the relative prosperity of post-WW2 US economy was a severe anomaly that was built on the destruction of the rest of the globe's industrial base and was never going to lastwhile the second part of this post is bang-on (at least within a capitalist framework), the first part of it is extremely incorrect and, frankly, ahistorical --- http://error1355.com/ce/averagejoel.html ... Copied to Clipboard!
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the_pika 01/28/23 10:29:03 PM #47: |
MedeaLysistrata posted... the more people bring out these arguments the more sure i become that money just doesn't work like that. it does. a single income had to suffice for an entire household ... Copied to Clipboard!
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runewalshPSiv 01/28/23 11:04:58 PM #48: |
WingsOfGood posted... inflation calculator shows the buying power of $5.33 in 1975 and equates that buying power to 2023 It takes me about 4 work days to pay my share of the rent, internet, gas and electric. Now if I lived here by myself it would be about 13 work days to pay all the bills which would suck and I'd move into a cheaper place. --- There's no sensation to compare with this Suspended animation, a state of bliss ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MedeaLysistrata 01/28/23 11:05:28 PM #49: |
the_pika posted... it does.not everyone is or was married with kids --- Please join the 100 Presidents community board and contribute to the project! Check back for updates! https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1568-100-presidents ... Copied to Clipboard!
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