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Basically fan fiction level

KH1 will always have a place in my heart

Kingdom Hearts basically showed the impossible was possible, especially at a time when cross overs between East and West with Big IP's like this was rare. Nowadays, you basically expect almost any IP's to crossover with another.

For sure, the only thing more amazing would be Disney and James Bond

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/2/8/AAaaLFAADNCU.jpg

KH would be such a better crossover if they actually embraced their crossover roots and let the original characters mingle meaningfully with the Disney and Final Fantasy characters.

As it is, it's just an original story with Disney backdrops as filler episodes and FF characters nowhere in sight anymore.

https://youtu.be/wQcPlqt6dm8

Rharyx211 posted...

KH would be such a better crossover if they actually embraced their crossover roots and let the original characters mingle meaningfully with the Disney and Final Fantasy characters.

As it is, it's just an original story with Disney backdrops as filler episodes and FF characters nowhere in sight anymore.

This post is truth.

KH1 is the only game where the Disney and FF characters actually matter.

Rharyx211 posted...

KH would be such a better crossover if they actually embraced their crossover roots and let the original characters mingle meaningfully with the Disney and Final Fantasy characters.

As it is, it's just an original story with Disney backdrops as filler episodes and FF characters nowhere in sight anymore.

Nailed it.

pegusus123456 posted...

This post is truth.

KH1 is the only game where the Disney and FF characters actually matter.

FF characters were fanservice that didn't actually do much in 1. They've never been the focus.

Bibimbap posted...

https://youtu.be/wQcPlqt6dm8

Thirty dollars? For a VHS tape?

Blue_Inigo posted...

FF characters were fanservice that didn't actually do much in 1. They've never been the focus.

FF characters in KH1 were the main supporting characters after the original ones. Leon's group were who helped keep the plot on course.

KH3 isnt even a crossover anymore

Rharyx211 posted...

FF characters in KH1 were the main supporting characters after the original ones. Leon's group were who helped keep the plot on course.

Leon's group? You see them for like 2 out of 40 hours. Exposition dump and then Gummi ship upgrades. They were a very small part of that game.

Blue_Inigo posted...

They were a very small part of that game.

And yet they're still secondary characters. Without them the plot wouldn't happen.

Rharyx211 posted...

And yet they're still secondary characters. Without them the plot wouldn't happen.

The plot of Sora stopping Maleficent and her scheme to steal the Disney Princesses and ultimately thwart Ansem? The actual story of the game? It would, just differently

The plot wouldn't happen if Heartless didn't blow up his world

Blue_Inigo posted...

The plot wouldn't happen if Heartless didn't blow up his world

It would, just differently.

You're likely right. In the original the characters and world's intermingled seamlessly. And you generally felt like freinds with them by the end.

Same for KH2

But afterwards they started to become less and less relevant. Hell, by KH3 they couldnt even come up with semi decent reasons anymorr for you or the villains even to be visiting these world anymore. And Sora/freinds feel like awkward 3rd wheels now.

You barely even face any Disney villains. Which makes me wonder why chose frozen world outside of popularity. Especially since there's no way in hell Elsa was going to be a villain. Even for a single boss fight.

Smash Bros showed me that fans dont care if their characters suck in the actual game theyre crossing over in.

Prismsblade posted...

Same for KH2

Nah, not even that one had Disney worlds matter.

I have a question about KH1, never having played any after.

When Sora loses the Keyblade to Riku, Goofy and Daffy leave him and he ends up alone. At some point he meets Beast who becomes his only ally for a while. What exactly did Beast say was driving him to search for Belle? For some reason I remember him saying guilt over not listening to her but I'm not sure my memory is correct...

Rharyx211 posted...

KH would be such a better crossover if they actually embraced their crossover roots and let the original characters mingle meaningfully with the Disney and Final Fantasy characters.

As it is, it's just an original story with Disney backdrops as filler episodes and FF characters nowhere in sight anymore.

But to be fair there is only so much that one can interact with a world setting before it just becomes an Original Character doing the job better then the main characters.

The Disney characters aside from Mickey, Goofy, and Donald are basically unimportant as the series progresses though right?

GeneralKenobi85 posted...

The Disney characters aside from Mickey, Goofy, and Donald are basically unimportant as the series progresses though right?

maleficent and pete were pretty important

I4NRulez posted...

maleficent and pete were pretty important

Yeah I thought about including them too, but aren't they just recurring side villains by this point in the series?

I4NRulez posted...

maleficent and pete were pretty important

And Yen Sid (His name spelled backwards is Disne-)

I4NRulez posted...

maleficent and pete were pretty important

Hercules kinda too through being surprisingly recurring, and there are hints Hades is going to have a huge role in 4

Touch posted...

KH1 will always have a place in my heart

this

the others are fun to play but the story is completely off the rails

Ruvan22 posted...

I have a question about KH1, never having played any after.

When Sora loses the Keyblade to Riku, Goofy and Daffy leave him and he ends up alone. At some point he meets Beast who becomes his only ally for a while. What exactly did Beast say was driving him to search for Belle? For some reason I remember him saying guilt over not listening to her but I'm not sure my memory is correct...

He just said he was there to fight to bring Belle back. Nothing else.

(also lol "Daffy". I wish Daffy was there)

GeneralKenobi85 posted...

The Disney characters aside from Mickey, Goofy, and Donald are basically unimportant as the series progresses though right?

Basically. Yen Sid acts as a sort of mentor character from Birth by Sleep onward and gets a shit ton of scene where he just exposits at the protagonists, and the Fairy Godmother has gotten some focus in the main plot lately, but that's about it.

Maleficent's barely a factor since KH1, and none of the other Disney world villains even show up or get boss fights half the time these days.

It's very rare that a Disney character gets brought up or involved in a "main story" segment of the plot.

Rharyx211 posted...

He just said he was there to fight to bring Belle back. Nothing else.

(also lol "Daffy". I wish Daffy was there)

Basically. Yen Sid acts as a sort of mentor character from Birth by Sleep onward and gets a shit ton of scene where he just exposits at the protagonists, and the Fairy Godmother has gotten some focus in the main plot lately, but that's about it.

Maleficent's barely a factor since KH1, and none of the other Disney world villains even show up or get boss fights half the time these days.

It's very rare that a Disney character gets brought up or involved in a "main story" segment of the plot.

I mean if you ignore all the shit Maleficent is doing after KHII.

Though I think a large problem with the Disney villains outside the few that have powers is the fact most of them dont do shit even in their own movies from the worlds we do get. Most of them are literally just humans so they end up being replaced by Heartless bosses or Organization members

Sora Kingdom Hearts is IN Smash Brothers

Baha05 posted...

I mean if you ignore all the shit Maleficent is doing after KHII.

Though I think a large problem with the Disney villains outside the few that have powers is the fact most of them dont do shit even in their own movies from the worlds we do get. Most of them are literally just humans so they end up being replaced by Heartless bosses or Organization members

They made Clayton a boss. Granted, he was teamed up with a Heartless, but I'm sure they could find ways to implement boss fights with villains, even if they have to rely on dark powers to fight.

I'd like to see a Dr. Facilier boss one day.

Rharyx211 posted...

He just said he was there to fight to bring Belle back. Nothing else.

(also lol "Daffy". I wish Daffy was there)

Haha sorry! The game never explains why only he is trying to bring back a princess? (Aladdin etc not trying to rescue their respective princess)

Letsago posted...

They made Clayton a boss. Granted, he was teamed up with a Heartless, but I'm sure they could find ways to implement boss fights with villains, even if they have to rely on dark powers to fight.

I'd like to see a Dr. Facilier boss one day.

Letsago posted...

They made Clayton a boss. Granted, he was teamed up with a Heartless, but I'm sure they could find ways to implement boss fights with villains, even if they have to rely on dark powers to fight.

I'd like to see a Dr. Facilier boss one day.

He had a gun so was the exception but yeah any magic based bosses would hopefully be a choice.

Ruvan22 posted...

Haha sorry! The game never explains why only he is trying to bring back a princess? (Aladdin etc not trying to rescue their respective princess)

The others couldn't travel across worlds. Beast willed himself to Hollow Bastion through the strength of his heart

I guess Aladdin just didn't care enough about Jasmine

Rharyx211 posted...

KH would be such a better crossover if they actually embraced their crossover roots and let the original characters mingle meaningfully with the Disney and Final Fantasy characters.

As it is, it's just an original story with Disney backdrops as filler episodes and FF characters nowhere in sight anymore.

Nomura says otherwise.

Nomura said, "I understand there weren't that many Final Fantasy characters in Kingdom Hearts III. One thing I want to clear up is that a lot of fans are saying that Kingdom Hearts is this collaboration between Disney characters and Final Fantasy characters. But I really feel like that's not the basic concept of Kingdom Hearts; that's not exactly what Kingdom Hearts is."

Blue_Inigo posted...

The others couldn't travel across worlds. Beast willed himself to Hollow Bastion through the strength of his heart

I guess Aladdin just didn't care enough about Jasmine

At least Aladdin had a name.. I don't remember Snow White or Sleeping Beauty's princes names :P

So the Wikipedia entry on Disney version Beast says he "used the powers of darkness" to get to Belle... maybe some dialogue or exposition about what he did is what I'm confusing with guilt?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beast_(Beauty_and_the_Beast)#Kingdom_Hearts
Determined to rescue Belle, Beast goes as far as to exploit the power of darkness and risk his own life to transport himself to Hollow Bastion, where Belle is being held captive with the other six Princesses of Heart.

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The whole point of the FF characters were to get people to buy the game because they weren't sure how it was gonna do. The story doesn't need the FF characters anymore and Disney barely wants the KH originals to interact with the Disney stuff so the KH ones do pretty much everything now.

Also, the one game that Nomura specifically wrote, 358/2 Days is generally regarded as having the best story. The rest were written by Nojima or Watanabe with Nomura providing key details and outlines.

I never really cared about the FF stuff, I barely knew what FF was when KH came out. It's sad they moved away from the Disney stuff though as that always was the major selling point of it. But like most people said, by the second game they were already positioning their OCs to take over. But let's face it, nobody would care about KH if it wasn't for the Disney stuff.

ArchNemo posted...

I never really cared about the FF stuff, I barely knew what FF was when KH came out. It's sad they moved away from the Disney stuff though as that always was the major selling point of it. But like most people said, by the second game they were already positioning their OCs to take over. But let's face it, nobody would care about KH if it wasn't for the Disney stuff.

But I think the big problem with the Disney stuff is the fact that they are not only already established stories which means you arent given wiggle room to really go too far from straying but also the fact that we only have like finite number of stories.

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It never was that big of a crossover in KH1. FF has had a diminishing presence after KH2.

Honestly I didnt even notice they werent around in KH3 until I saw people complaining about them missing. Sure I would like them around, but they never really do anything.

idk if were talking about non canon crossovers then Fortnite takes the cake

Blue_Inigo posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/2/8/AAaaLFAADNCU.jpg

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/8/0/AAU2gcAAEIt4.jpg

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Yeah, they marketed KH1 that way because they weren't sure how it was gonna turn out. They were trying to get the JRPG fans to buy the game. Who the fuck would have bought a game about a kid with big shoes running around with Donald Duck and Goofy in 2001?

Nomura oversees the whole project because he's the director and it's his creation. He doesn't write the whole story himself. He's credited as the concept writer but starting with Days Nomura became more involved with the story writing. We don't exactly know where he stops and Nojima/Watanabe begin but it was stated Nomura wrote most of the dialogue/story for Days. Watanabe is the only person credited for the writing in CoM.
KH1: https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0322968/fullcredits/writer
KH2: https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0390163/fullcredits/writer?ref_=tt_cl_wr_sm
358/2 Days: https://m.imdb.com/title/tt1302571/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0
KH3: https://m.imdb.com/title/tt2973418/fullcredits/writer?ref_=m_ttfc_2
BbS: https://m.imdb.com/title/tt1390843/fullcredits/writer?ref_=m_ttfc_2

Its always nice to see someone not blindly blame Nomura for everything.

ViewtifulGrave posted...

Its always nice to see someone not blindly blame Nomura for everything.

People have this weird hate boner for him with things he didn't even do. Like all the changes in FF7R were the work of Kitase and Nojima. They literally said in an interview Nomura had to stop them from going overboard, he tried to keep the game as close to the original FF7 as possible AND that he wanted a 1:1 remake of the story in the first place.