Current Events > Is it ok to body shame terrible people like Andrew Tate?

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We should shame him for being a sex trafficking rapist.

it's stupid and childish and gives fodder for people on the opposite political spectrum to use when you're caught being hypocritical. like you can't call out someone else for bodyshaming and then make fun of trump for being fat or having tiny hands. keep the focus on character

hockeybub89 posted...

We should shame him for being a sex trafficking rapist.

^^^

Beefbud posted...

it's stupid and childish and gives fodder for people on the opposite political spectrum to use when you're caught being hypocritical. like you can't call out someone else for bodyshaming and then make fun of trump for being fat or having tiny hands. keep the focus on character

In Trump's case, I'd say it's perfectly fine to call out that someone who frequently insults people's looks probably isn't fitting most people's definition of attractive either.

It isn't okay. This like when people was gendering Ezra Miller because they are d bag

hockeybub89 posted...

We should shame him for being a sex trafficking rapist.

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I've said it before, I'll say it again. People offended by the phrase "small dick energy" are accidentally revealing something about themselves.

K181 posted...

I've said it before, I'll say it again. People offended by the phrase "small dick energy" are accidentally revealing something about themselves.

You are literally showing why it is bad right now.

cjsdowg posted...

You are literally showing why it is bad right now.

Not at all. It's revealing how insecure some people are to be reading way too much into things and to take small things extremely personally. Plenty of dudes with small dicks don't have small dick energy and plenty of dudes with big dicks don't have big dick energy.

Sure, but if you're one of those hyper pro body positivity people you would be a pathetic hypocrite in doing so

We have plenty of things to shame him over, I don't think we need to use this one. I feel the same way about Trump, MTG, Lindsay Graham, etc. It just leads to dumb, bad faith arguments about hypocrisy that people don't seem to have the self control or awareness to avoid.

That said, I think there could be an argument to be made about attacking people for things that are otherwise stigmatized and attached to real world consequences like race, weight, height, etc vs things like a weird chin, eyes, or head shape.

And there's the fact that he's deliberately associated himself with "alpha male" physical traits and his supporters lap it up. It could be useful to point out that he doesn't fit his own definition of what the ideal male should look like.

Will_VIIII posted...

You can't seriously be equating body shaming to racial slurs

How is it wrong to do that?

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Bullshit and a shitty excuse to keep body shaming.

K181 posted...

Not at all. It's revealing how insecure some people are to be reading way too much into things and to take small things extremely personally.

There is no reason to imply people shouldn't be insecure. Some people are just psychologically disposed to be that way. You can't build norms around something someone can't change or has to transform to change.

TMOG posted...

If I tell somebody without a penis that they have small dick energy am I literally making fun of their tiny dick that they don't even have, or am I saying that they give off the same energy as somebody who tries way too hard to compensate for their own insecurities?

You're making fun and perpetuating the idea that having a small dick (regardless of this specific person has a dick or not), is bad or that people should be insecure about it

K181 posted...

I've said it before, I'll say it again. People offended by the phrase "small dick energy" are accidentally revealing something about themselves.

That it is body shaming? That's not a secret.

Will_VIIII posted...

You can't seriously be equating body shaming to racial slurs

Is there an objective standard for why you cant, or is it just something based on feelings?

K181 posted...

I've said it before, I'll say it again. People offended by the phrase "small dick energy" are accidentally revealing something about themselves.

People also make fun of him for being bald(something that can litterally happen to cancer patient regardless)

Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Is there an objective standard for why you cant, or is it just something based on feelings?

Go up to a black man and tell him that "small dick energy" is on par with the N-word

Let me know how that goes for you

Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Is there an objective standard for why you cant, or is it just something based on feelings?

Racial slurs are an externality arising from power structures that discriminate and harm people based on race and body shaming is just run of the mill bullying. No group of people have ever been rounded up into camps because they're bald or because their dicks are small. The same isn't true for race or religion.

Shit post a bit less, please.

TMOG posted...

Go up to a black man and tell him that "small dick energy" is on par with the N-word

Let me know how that goes for you

He didn't say it was on par with it, it was an analogy. Obviously the N word is objectively worse, but he was giving an easy to understand example to make you understand.

epik_fail1 posted...

He didn't say it was on par with it, it was an analogy. Obviously the N word is objectively worse, but he was giving an easy to understand example to make you understand.

Using an analogy implies that you view Subject A as being directly comparable, or "on par", with Subject B.

A_Good_Boy posted...

Racial slurs are an externality arising from power structures that discriminate and harm people based on race and body shaming is just run of the mill bullying. No group of people have ever been rounded up into camps because they're bald or because their dicks are small. The same isn't true for race or religion.

Shit post a bit less, please.

Didn't Hitler believe only the best looking people were the Arian race or something?

Also there's studies that show people regardless of genders are treated better when they are conventionally attractive

epik_fail1 posted...

Didn't Hitler believe only the best looking people were the Arian race or something?

Also there's studies that show people regardless of genders are treated better when they are conventionally attractive

Holy shit we've now arrived at the point where we're comparing physical attraction to concentration camps

I'm fucking out, have a blast with the rest of this topic

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epik_fail1 posted...

Didn't Hitler believe only the best looking people were the Arian race or something?

Also there's studies that show people regardless of genders are treated better when they are conventionally attractive

Being ugly and not able to get laid isn't like the holocaust no matter how much you'd like to wish it was.

A_Good_Boy posted...

Being ugly and not able to get laid isn't like the holocaust no matter how much you'd like to wish it was.

I didn't say it was the holocaust though. However, there's truth that the criminal justice system treat possible criminals and potential victims worse and there's studies confirming it.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6762156/

epik_fail1 posted...

I didn't say it was the holocaust though. However, there's truth that the criminal justice system treat possible criminals and potential victims worse and there's studies confirming it.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6762156/

There's also studies that confirm that race plays a much bigger factor in criminal sentencing too, so what's your point?

TMOG posted...

Using an analogy implies that you view Subject A as being directly comparable, or "on par", with Subject B.

An analogy requires that two subjects possess elements that are both similar and relevant for the purposes of the analogy (Unless we're using archaic definitions, but let's not discuss the history of philosophy today). Does fat shaming share similarities with... A fish? No, not that I am aware of, although if you can think of one let me know. I can't imagine a situation where one could make an analogy between Fat Shaming and Fish, therefore, it would likely be an incoherent analysis to do so. Does fat shaming share similarities with... Slurs? Sure does. Let me demonstrate:

Both are used for pejorative purposes, with motivations typically being either to reinforce a sense of superiority to another, to cause emotional distress in the target, or both.

Both are derived from societal norms relating to either complex social structures/hierarchies or desirable cultural traits.

Both insults express a perceived quality about a category of people. "Fat Peoples" are a immediately obvious group for which membership is relatively clearly defined as are "(Ethnicity) Peoples". In contrast, the insult "Poopy Head" does not, by itself, clearly define any consistently observable traits. Does a poopy head... Have poop on their head? No? If I told you you had to separate a group of people into two category groups, Poopy Heads and Not Poopy Heads, what information would you need to know about the people to make that distinction? I frankly have no idea. Thus, Poopy Heads are a not a category group for comparison.

Both are dissimilar to more generic insults (Poopy head, for instance) in that generic insults typically affect little collateral change in non-targets of the insult. There is no practical chance of my sense of self-worth being diminished because I heard the word "Poopy head" said to another person. However, if I was fat and I heard someone use a fat insult against someone else, it may reasonably affect my own sense of self-worth. The same can obviously be said for slurs.

Thus, fat shaming and slurs contain a great deal of similarities, and these similarities are expressly related to the idea being portrayed (When is it appropriate to body shame/use a slur) which is what makes them an apt comparison.

A_Good_Boy posted...

There's also studies that confirm that race plays a much bigger factor in criminal sentencing too, so what's your point?

My point was just that historically speaking and even today, there's proof that people will be less likely to believe a victim if they are not conventionally attractive and more likely to believe a criminal is guilty is they are ugly regardless of genders.

Obviously racism is worse, but there is evidence that people regardless of age and genders treat conventionally attractive people better

None of what I have said invalidate studies about races

If its something he did to himself (I.e. hes fat), sure
If he does it to other people, sure.

otherwise, no. If you want to slam him, theres plenty of things to slam him about that he actually has control over

Huh? Andrew Tate has a great physique tho. Also no one actually knows if his penis is small so discussing it is rather pointless.

TMOG posted...

Using an analogy implies that you view Subject A as being directly comparable, or "on par", with Subject B.

No, it doesn't.

TMOG posted...

Go up to a black man and tell him that "small dick energy" is on par with the N-word

Let me know how that goes for you

Your answer is its based on emotion, then?

I mean its not like every one of those persons we ask would have the same answer or reaction.

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I guess technically it kinda is, but I doubt people saying this are intentionally misogynistic

Using immutable traits to shame someone generally isn't a good idea as it sends the message to anyone with those traits that acceptance and compassion is revocable if they are perceived to have stepped out of line. It's just bad practice that doesn't lead to anything good. There are almost always better ways to insult a person.

He had a meltdown on Twitter when a guy insulted the appearance of his neck. Like, obsessive melt where he was doxxing and shit. It was creepy. And weird. But this is Tate we are talking about.

Yeah, it's fine.

I try not to body shame anyone in public forums to make sure no one gets hit with strays. If someone is being an asshole and Im chillin with one other person, I might do it if I know it doesn't apply to them too. Im skinny as fuck though and find it funny when people make skinny jokes. I do feel a small blow to my self esteem for a second, but I don't put a lot of stock in my size. It's worth it for comedy imo. I can't make that choice for others tho

ZevLoveDOOM posted...

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