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Chunky
01/07/23 9:17:51 AM
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Do you agree with me?



  • I don't enjoy working out at all. I don't look forward to it, and I dread every second. I don't even feel good when I complete a work out. In other words, laziness. I'll admit to that. And no, topic is not over.
  • If you're working out to lose weight, diet matters way more. You don't need to workout to lose weight.
  • If you're working out for the gains, it takes years to see noticeable gains. You might notice microscopic stuff like "I can do 3 pull ups instead of 2" but you won't look any different. If you're patient and/or love working out, then go ahead, but if you hate working out with a passion, you're not going to like this.
  • 90% of people I know that work out don't look like they work out. They look extremely skinny or pretty fat.
  • There is way too much misinformation about what you should eat and how you should work out. No one can agree on anything when it comes to nutrition or fitness. For example, many people say you should eat 100 grams of protein per day, but that's not true. You should be eating about 50 grams. And protein is not what matters for energy, it's carbs that matter.
  • To add on to my last point, most people don't have an actual plan, they just "wing it", or use some workout plan instagram picture.
  • 50% of working out is genetics. You can do the exact same work out as Brock Lesnar, but you most likely won't look like him.


TL;DR: I dislike working out, and the many years it takes to receive gains isn't worth suffering through. If you enjoy working out, then yes, it's worth it. But for me, if I dislike it, why would I put myself through that? Would you do any activity for any reason if you don't like it?

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Chicken
01/07/23 9:18:16 AM
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RaulJenkins
01/07/23 9:21:00 AM
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You make some good points, and some bad points.

That was option 2 I think

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Jiek_Fafn
01/07/23 9:21:33 AM
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Your first two points are true and then you spiraled into crazy talk

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Chunky
01/07/23 9:23:50 AM
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Jiek_Fafn posted...
Your first two points are true and then you spiraled into crazy talk
I can't prove my anecdotal points, but everything else I said is completely true, especially the stuff about misinformation and gains.

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TetsuoS2
01/07/23 9:23:57 AM
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dont be chunky my dude

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Dragon239
01/07/23 9:24:47 AM
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Ye 1 and 2 are fine, the rest are ??? not really relevant for general working out, though when combined with point 1 I can see how they aggravate it.

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A_Good_Boy
01/07/23 9:24:56 AM
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Chunky posted...
If you're working out for the gains, it takes years to see noticeable gains. You might notice microscopic stuff like "I can do 3 pull ups instead of 2" but you won't look any different. If you're patient and/or love working out, then go ahead, but if you hate working out with a passion, you're not going to like this.
That's not true. You look noticeably different after just a few weeks of consistent effort.

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Chunky
01/07/23 9:25:48 AM
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TetsuoS2 posted...
dont be chunky my dude
I forgot to mention this. I'm a very lanky dude. I tried working out a couple years ago, but genetically I don't put on upper body muscle very well at all. It takes me 5x the amount of work, compared to someone with normal upper body.

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--Zero-
01/07/23 9:26:31 AM
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I dislike working out too and think being in pain all the time isnt appealing to me, but I also know its got its benefits. For example, not working out can cause heart problems as you get older, affect your sleeping schedule, or make you over all lazier. It affects your over all attitude also. Some people work out because they feel better afterwards too like it gives them a high. I dont get it personally, but then again I dont work out either.

When it comes to gains its all about how much youre working out and how focused you are on what you eat also. Thats probably the most overwhelming or confusing part for people. My personal grief with dieting and working out is the gate keeping. Someone lost 30lbs in 30 days but wont share their exact work out and diet plan for some reason. Or someone that is in great shape and loves to brag about it wont share either.

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MabusIncarnate
01/07/23 9:27:41 AM
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It's how much you want to push yourself, as far as your 3rd point. I saw dudes go into Army basic training, lose 40 lbs and gain a lot of noticeable muscle in 9 weeks. I went from being able to do about 18 pushups to 92 in 2 minutes, working out daily for only about 70 days.

So in that regard, if you work out and lift until it's a tad uncomfortable and quit, yeah it will take years, if it does at all. If you push hard and use every ounce of strength you have in your workout, the results come much, much faster.

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AlleyViper620
01/07/23 9:28:04 AM
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I disagree with the third point. Most people seem to see the most gains in the first few months (assuming you actually stick to a routine), it's after then that you hit plateau after plateau and it becomes infuriating.

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Chunky
01/07/23 9:28:47 AM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
You look noticeably different after just a few weeks of consistent effort.
Completely not true. I'm not talking about small stuff like "I can do 3 pull ups instead of 2", I'm talking about noticeable gains. That type of stuff can take at least a year, honestly in most cases longer.

Dragon239 posted...
Ye 1 and 2 are fine, the rest are ??? not really relevant for general working out, though when combined with point 1 I can see how they aggravate it.
Well yeah. I don't like working out, so of course i'm going to be upset if it takes years to notice gains. And the misinformation stuff is completely true, regardless or whether you like working out or not.

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Chunky
01/07/23 9:30:59 AM
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MabusIncarnate posted...
It's how much you want to push yourself, as far as your 3rd point. I saw dudes go into Army basic training, lose 40 lbs and gain a lot of noticeable muscle in 9 weeks. I went from being able to do about 18 pushups to 92 in 2 minutes, working out daily for only about 70 days.

So in that regard, if you work out and lift until it's a tad uncomfortable and quit, yeah it will take years, if it does at all. If you push hard and use every ounce of strength you have in your workout, the results come much, much faster.
  1. In those cases, they lost weight. For weight loss, working out is completely fine (although just dieting would have worked too). The muscle may have always been there, but was covered by fat.
  2. Pushing yourself how? Hopefully you mean 90% because if you push yourself 100%, you would have torn muscles and would be dead.

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emblem-man
01/07/23 9:32:17 AM
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If you don't think the aesthetic benefits to lifting weights is worth it, then that's fine.

If you're concerned about health benefits then I agree you should do whatever activity you enjoy the most. Because I agree, lifting weights is very very boring.

But I personally think the aesthetic benefits are worth it and don't think workout is overrated.

If you're not interested in gym stuff, join a recreational sports league or something or take up jogging or whatever

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Chunky
01/08/23 6:16:13 PM
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emblem-man posted...
If you don't think the aesthetic benefits to lifting weights is worth it, then that's fine.
If the benefits were obtainable in a timely matter, it would be worth it to me. But since it can take a couple years, the pain and agony just isn't worth it to me.

emblem-man posted...
If you don't think the aesthetic benefits to lifting weights is worth it, then that's fine.

If you're concerned about health benefits then I agree you should do whatever activity you enjoy the most. Because I agree, lifting weights is very very boring.

But I personally think the aesthetic benefits are worth it and don't think workout is overrated.

If you're not interested in gym stuff, join a recreational sports league or something or take up jogging or whatever
I agree that people should find what kind of activity makes them happy. With that said, I don't think "boring" is the right word. Working out to me feels like my body is being cut in half with a chainsaw. It's painful, agonizing, it's an awful feeling. I don't understand how people feel good about it.

emblem-man posted...
But I personally think the aesthetic benefits are worth it and don't think workout is overrated.
I respect this. I'm not hating or anything. I'm impressed that your your willing to sit through all that agony for a long waiting benefits. I'm not saying you're wrong, I just wish I had that kind of patience lol.

emblem-man posted...
If you're not interested in gym stuff, join a recreational sports league or something or take up jogging or whatever
I agree with this. There might be an activity that fits me, and others, better

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Chadwick69
01/08/23 6:18:25 PM
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This topic is bad

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Fony
01/08/23 6:19:55 PM
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Since when does it take years to get results from working out?

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Mistere_Man
01/08/23 6:21:14 PM
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Big_Nabendu
01/08/23 6:42:02 PM
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Sounds like wat a fatty would say

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DoesntMatter
01/08/23 6:44:14 PM
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Chunky posted...
50% of working out is genetics. You can do the exact same work out as Brock Lesnar, but you most likely won't look like him.
Brock Lesnar, like almost all professional wrestlers, body-builders, strongmen of any kind, etc. take steroids or some form of HGH

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Lorenzo_2003
01/08/23 7:13:07 PM
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Strong disagree.

I mean youre right that theres a lot of misinformation and a lot of people who work out but arent really fit or healthy, but thats a them problem. They can always learn properly and work out accordingly.

The genetics thing is somewhat true. Im just wondering where you got that 50% figure.

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NoxObscuras
01/08/23 7:15:05 PM
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I don't think you know what you're talking about. Your first "point" is not something anyone can really disagree with, as it's just stating how you feel about it. The rest though...

Chunky posted...
* If you're working out to lose weight, diet matters way more. You don't need to workout to lose weight.
What matters for weight loss is that your body is burning more calories than it takes in. You don't need to workout to lose weight, but you also don't need to diet to lose weight. In the same way that you can eat less calories to make up for not exercising, you can also exercise more, to make up for eating too many calories. The fastest way would be to combine both diet and exercise.

* If you're working out for the gains, it takes years to see noticeable gains. You might notice microscopic stuff like "I can do 3 pull ups instead of 2" but you won't look any different. If you're patient and/or love working out, then go ahead, but if you hate working out with a passion, you're not going to like this.
Sure, if you're not pushing yourself, or you're not consistent, then it will take years to see noticeable gains. But if you consistently lift multiple days per week, you will see a difference much sooner than you think. The important part is to stick with it and not give up just because you don't go from lanky to ripped overnight.

* 90% of people I know that work out don't look like they work out. They look extremely skinny or pretty fat.
Those are the people that just started working out, or keep starting and stopping. If you go to the gym for 2-3 weeks, then stop for a few weeks because you "didn't feel like going" then yeah, you're not going to look that different. And a lot of people fall into that (it's how gyms make money. Lots of paying members that don't show up). Again, consistency is how you get results.

* There is way too much misinformation about what you should eat and how you should work out. No one can agree on anything when it comes to nutrition or fitness. For example, many people say you should eat 100 grams of protein per day, but that's not true. You should be eating about 50 grams. And protein is not what matters for energy, it's carbs that matter.
There is a lot of conflicting information, mainly because of how many people out there get a platform and push their personal routine as the only way or the best way. The truth is, there's no magic number that will work for everyone. How much macros you need depends on you and your body. So it's going to be different for everyone. For protein, the daily minimum that's recommended by the national institute of health, is 0.36 grams per pound of body weight. But for bulking, recommendations go as high as 1 gram per pound of body weight. So the amount you should eat will depend on what your goals are. Are you just making sure you hit the minimum? Are you bulking? Or somewhere in between?

* To add on to my last point, most people don't have an actual plan, they just "wing it", or use some workout plan instagram picture.
That's not always a bad thing. If you're just starting out, the important part is to just get out there and exercise. Hell, sticking to a stringent workout plan can actually make some people burn out faster. You said it yourself that you don't enjoy working out, so why not try different things and try to have some fun with it?

* 50% of working out is genetics. You can do the exact same work out as Brock Lesnar, but you most likely won't look like him.
Eh... genetics does affect your body shape, but anyone can build muscle if they stick to it. The reason you'll never look like Brock is because he juices (or at least he used to), not because of his genetics lol.

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K181
01/08/23 7:16:11 PM
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Dieting is by far the most important path to losing weight, but you can't diet your way to fitness. Exercise is needed to be healthy, too.

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g980
01/08/23 7:19:37 PM
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Youre gonna be skinny fat at best

Then your body will fall apart in your 50s

Old age will be an uncomfortable hell with zero muscle mass

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Glob
01/08/23 7:55:45 PM
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Fony posted...
Since when does it take years to get results from working out?

Since TC clearly doesnt know how to do it.

If youre out of shape and you dont see very noticeable improvements after 3-4 weeks going to the gym, youre doing it wrong.
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CARRRNE_ASADA
01/08/23 8:10:56 PM
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The most important goal of working out should be to stay healthy. Specially cardio and to maintain ideal body mass.

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BuckVanHammer
01/08/23 8:13:37 PM
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Eh...here's why I workout, I sit behind a desk for 8 to 9 hours a day.

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Chunky
01/08/23 9:51:48 PM
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Fony posted...
Since when does it take years to get results from working out?
Depends on your definition of results.

DoesntMatter posted...
Brock Lesnar, like almost all professional wrestlers, body-builders, strongmen of any kind, etc. take steroids or some form of HGH
Any proof of this, or is this just speculation?

NoxObscuras posted...
What matters for weight loss is that your body is burning more calories than it takes in. You don't need to workout to lose weight, but you also don't need to diet to lose weight. In the same way that you can eat less calories to make up for not exercising, you can also exercise more, to make up for eating too many calories. The fastest way would be to combine both diet and exercise.
I agree with this, but if we're talking about losing weight, diet matters like 80%, while excercise matters 20%.

NoxObscuras posted...
Sure, if you're not pushing yourself, or you're not consistent, then it will take years to see noticeable gains. But if you consistently lift multiple days per week, you will see a difference much sooner than you think. The important part is to stick with it and not give up just because you don't go from lanky to ripped overnight.
How much sooner would you say? 3-4 months didn't do it for me.

NoxObscuras posted...
That's not always a bad thing. If you're just starting out, the important part is to just get out there and exercise. Hell, sticking to a stringent workout plan can actually make some people burn out faster. You said it yourself that you don't enjoy working out, so why not try different things and try to have some fun with it?
I think it's bad to not have a plan. Then you see people using the elliptical for 5 minutes, pacing around the gym for 10 minutes and leaving. With that said, you're right, going to the gym in general is a great start. Not taking anything away from that.

Glob posted...
Since TC clearly doesnt know how to do it.

If youre out of shape and you dont see very noticeable improvements after 3-4 weeks going to the gym, youre doing it wrong.
I feel like I worked my ass off the 3-4 months I was doing it. You're not gonna see noticeable results in 3-4 weeks. Don't know where you got that misinformation from.

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Homeless_Waifu
01/08/23 9:57:51 PM
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There's working out and then there's exercise.
The average person only needs to worry about exercising to stay in good health or burning off calories.

Working out is for people who wanna build their bodies in a certain way or to achieve greater amounts of overall stamina or physical strength.

A diet is only meant for people who wanna keep their calorie intake in check. It's not 100% necessary to maintain a diet to "lose weight" (it helps a lot but its optional to those that wanna go the extra mile) because a good exercise routine is good enough for most people.

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NoxObscuras
01/08/23 10:14:29 PM
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Chunky posted...
Depends on your definition of results.

Any proof of this, or is this just speculation?
In 2016, he was suspended from the UFC after he was tested and had banned substances in his system. He didn't test positive for steroids, but he did test positive for a substance that's normally used to counteract the side effects of steroids. So... not 100% confirmation, but we're pretty sure.

https://www.mensjournal.com/sports/heres-why-brock-lesnar-got-slapped-yearlong-doping-ban-ufc/

I agree with this, but if we're talking about losing weight, diet matters like 80%, while excercise matters 20%.

How much sooner would you say? 3-4 months didn't do it for me.
How long depends on your body and what kind of exercises you're doing. But you definitely should have seen results after 3-4 months. Maybe you didn't notice the results because you were expecting a more dramatic change, but the results were there. I mean, you see yourself in the mirror every day, so it's harder to notice those changes yourself. Try taking before and after pictures so you can see the difference it's actually making

I think it's bad to not have a plan. Then you see people using the elliptical for 5 minutes, pacing around the gym for 10 minutes and leaving. With that said, you're right, going to the gym in general is a great start. Not taking anything away from that.
You know what, that's fair. I do think some people would benefit from having a plan. Or at the very least, some knowledge of what to do and what not to do. I've seen a lot of people get on the treadmill, turn it to max incline, and then hold onto the machine the entire time. They will still burn calories, since their legs are moving, but holding onto the machine takes part of their body weight off of their legs. So they see the huge calorie reading on the machine and think it's doing a lot, but it's not accurate if they use it that way. And that's one that I wish more people understood.

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DoesntMatter
01/08/23 10:25:33 PM
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Chunky posted...
Any proof of this
yes

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Glob
01/09/23 2:03:16 AM
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Chunky posted...
Depends on your definition of results.

Any proof of this, or is this just speculation?

I agree with this, but if we're talking about losing weight, diet matters like 80%, while excercise matters 20%.

How much sooner would you say? 3-4 months didn't do it for me.

I think it's bad to not have a plan. Then you see people using the elliptical for 5 minutes, pacing around the gym for 10 minutes and leaving. With that said, you're right, going to the gym in general is a great start. Not taking anything away from that.

I feel like I worked my ass off the 3-4 months I was doing it. You're not gonna see noticeable results in 3-4 weeks. Don't know where you got that misinformation from.

Then something about what you were doing was wrong.

I got that information from having a ton of experience in the gym, both for myself and for other people. Im a former athlete and while I wouldnt claim to be the world authority on how exercise works I feel like I have a fair idea.

Yes, if youve been going for a while you might plateau for weeks or even months at a time if you dont sometimes change up what youre doing. But if youre working your arse off for 4 months and seeing no difference you are doing something wrong. Thats not an opinion. Its a fact.
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