Current Events > lady reporter: can we give Ukraine all capabilities to defend themselves?

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I mean isnt that what the money basically is? You dont do those things out in the open so Putin can use it in his favor. Plausible deniability to prevent WW3 seems useful.

What are you trying to say with this topic TC

Which basically garantees the war drags on forever.

You scared of Putin?

Broken down, the funds include about $11.9 billion to replenish U.S. weapons stocks that have been dipped into often since Feb. 24,

$9 billion will go to the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative, which includes efforts to train, equip and provide intelligence support to Ukraines military. Another $6.98 billion will go toward U.S. European Command mission and intelligence support, pay, equipment and related activities.

it's just we're s*** scared of pissing off Russia.

The issue isn't boots on the ground and US Troops

It's planes. Ukraine has been asking for planes since Day 1

And NATO/UN have gone "Here's money and supplies but no planes."

Which basically garantees the war drags on forever.

Ukraine cannot push Russia out of their nation without air superiority and to do that they need planes.

Acting like Zelensky is being unreasonable here is crazy, he's literally doing his job. And yeah it actually is "that easy and obvious" it's just we're shit scared of pissing off Russia.

Oh yeah, we're totally scared of Russia... you're missing the whole point of US support for Ukraine.

Guys, how do you think we would've reacted if the Russians had started selling weapons that could somehow hit America to the Taliban or Iraqi insurgent groups in the 2010s?

We're giving Ukraine weapons to defend itself, and have helped keep them afloat in this war as a result. Sorry, but we're not escalating that to offensive strike weaponry to hit Russia itself.

Zelenskyy wants more, because why wouldn't he? Biden disagreeing with providing more doesn't mean we aren't steadfastly supporting Ukraine or that our relationship has become fractured. It's just a dumb question designed to look like a gotcha moment when it's a difference of opinion that's already well-documented, established, and accepted.

We're giving Ukraine weapons to defend itself, and have helped keep them afloat in this war as a result. Sorry, but we're not escalating that to offensive strike weaponry to hit Russia itself.

Do you disagree with the reporter whom Biden agreed with that he can't let Ukraine have what they need? Cause Biden basically agreed and was like, can't do that sorry.

The issue isn't boots on the ground and US Troops

It's planes. Ukraine has been asking for planes since Day 1

And NATO/UN have gone "Here's money and supplies but no planes."

Which basically garantees the war drags on forever.

Ukraine cannot push Russia out of their nation without air superiority and to do that they need planes.

Acting like Zelensky is being unreasonable here is crazy, he's literally doing his job. And yeah it actually is "that easy and obvious" it's just we're shit scared of pissing off Russia.

zelensky needs to be more fucking thankful

His job is to try to do anything in his power to end the war and protect the Ukranian people.

If he wasn't asking for more support in booting Russia out of his country then he's not doing his job

Acting like what he's being given is enough when people are dying every day, his land is still annexed and they no means of kicking Russia out to appear "more thankful" would be being a terriblel leader.

Soviet Era planes would not do that

And the US HAS given Ukraine resources that have the capacity to hit Russia.. Russia and Ukraine are right next to each other.

You're being dishonest.

They could fire regular artillery into Russia at some places of the front. That doesn't mean giving them artillery is of the same scale as weapons and vehicles specifically designed for force projection.

I bet they work for Fox.

They literally have the capacity to bomb Putin's compound right now

The argument of "We can't give them resources that will end the war because then they could attack the country literally next to them that they already have and that having more planes wouldn't change" holds 0 water.

Even the US themselves isn't claiming that, they're openly saying they're scared of pissing off Russia.

What resources would end the war? Honest question, there isn't a magic bullet to end everything.

Escalating with harder to replace and difficult to maintain jets that could be easily destroyed is just a waste of resources, not to mention that they don't have the pilots necessary for the number of jets they'd need to somehow end the war, if that's even realistic (which it isn't).

But if we gave them more planes, some would be shot down, then they successfully prevent Russian advancement and kick Russia out of their country and the war would be over.

You've saved some of those precious soviet era planes at the cost of hundreds of thousands of lives, a trillion dollars in damages, hundreds of tanks, heavy vechiles, big guns and months of endless conflict that has negative consequences across the globe...

That's not a good trade.