Board 8 > Eff 2021 Mafia: Topic 10 - Everyone Getting The Yips

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Suprak_the_Stud
12/19/22 11:21:24 PM
#1:


Landed The Maltese Cross (THE LIVING):
1) Ben
2) changmas
3) ctesjbuvf
4) Death
5) Lea
6) masterplum (replaced MysteriousStan)
7) MZero
8) SBell
9) TheSultanOfSlam
10) TotallyNotMI

Fell Off The Balance Beam (DEAD):
KD1 - Lopen: DMX, TOWN Vanilla
LD1 - Isquen: Alec Baldwin, TOWN Negligent Day Vigilante
KN1 - red: Donald Trump, INDEPENDENT Evolving Arsonist
LD2 - Scare: The Omicron Variant, 2021 Jack-Of-All-Kills
KN2 - Han: John Madden, TOWN Vanilla
LD3 - Corrik: Joe Biden, 2021 President (Pre-Game Recruiter and Team Organizer)
MKD3 - BCT: Siegfried Fischbacher, TOWN Special Double Voter
MKD3 - Suprak: The Ghost of Roy Horn, TOWN Extra Vote
KN3 - Chaeix: Leon Spinks, TOWN Doctor

It is now day. With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch! Day ends at 9 PM CST on Wednesday (45.5 hours from now)!

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MZero
12/19/22 11:42:56 PM
#2:


I read it hours after the fact, so I assumed it was because of BCT since I noticed that his post broke the rules until Corrik brought up the time, at which point I went back and checked. I didn't think it was because of BCT after that because it was like 13 seconds

but my point was that I assumed BCT didn't know that rule or else he wouldn't have posted that, so why would he assume the stop was him being modkilled

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MZero
12/19/22 11:43:54 PM
#3:


tbh I wish I was scum so that my Day 1 push record would not be tarnished

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PunishedBen
12/19/22 11:45:21 PM
#4:


PunishedBen 12/19/2022 10:43:21 PM
#453
undefined posted...
Isquen could have shot me too
How so?

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PunishedBen
12/19/22 11:46:45 PM
#5:


MZero posted...
tbh I wish I was scum so that my Day 1 push record would not be tarnished
relatable

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TheSultanOfSlam
12/19/22 11:49:35 PM
#6:


1) Ben-fireproof
2) changmas- roleblocked day 1 but not sure about any other days
3) ctesjbuvf
4) Death
5) Lea-Mason
6) masterplum (replaced MysteriousStan)
7) MZero- untargetable
8) SBell
9) TheSultanOfSlam-
10) TotallyNotMI-Mason

Ctes
Death
Sbell

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TheSultanOfSlam
12/19/22 11:50:31 PM
#7:


##Vote:Sbell

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MZero
12/19/22 11:52:48 PM
#8:


PunishedBen posted...
PunishedBen 12/19/2022 10:43:21 PM
#453

How so?

as in he could have attempted to shoot me and fail. I assume plum was talking about not having to deal with stopping the game and being like "nothing happened continue"

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PunishedBen
12/19/22 11:53:12 PM
#9:


Alright, I like your list, besides the one you picked to vote for. You are like my town arch nemesis

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PunishedBen
12/19/22 11:54:11 PM
#10:


MZero posted...
as in he could have attempted to shoot me and fail. I assume plum was talking about not having to deal with stopping the game and being like "nothing happened continue"
Oh okay. Thought you were trying to say he could have killed you

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TheSultanOfSlam
12/19/22 11:54:59 PM
#11:


Hear me put here. What has Sbell really done all game? Looks super active but of what substance sticks out?

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PunishedBen
12/19/22 11:59:00 PM
#12:


Corrik7 posted...
You are Vanilla. I never said you said you were.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...
How would you know if I was vanilla or not? I did not claim to be vanilla.

All I claimed was my flavor?

Corrik7 posted...
I scanned you.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...
OH!
More of the interaction that I dont think is scum/scum

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PunishedBen
12/20/22 12:10:30 AM
#13:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Hear me put here. What has Sbell really done all game? Looks super active but of what substance sticks out?
Most of my read on him comes from his reactions when nearly offered up for lynch by me and Han on the day Scare got lynched. But I am going to CTRL+F him next to see if he had any interactions with Corrik/Scare that show more

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htaeD
12/20/22 3:13:47 AM
#14:


Lol no wifi at the workplace. What a goof for an IT department.

Longer notes will gave to wait. Not gonna type paragraphs from phone.
For now I will say I believe Mzero.

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MZero
12/20/22 3:33:05 AM
#15:


Topic 5 Post 98
MZero posted...
It's also possible town has an untargetable so they wouldn't have countered ben

I was tempted to claim here but decided against it.

Topic 8 post 203
MZero posted...
Scum Fireproof makes a lot of sense too

was hinting a bit here too

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htaeD
12/20/22 3:36:24 AM
#16:


I do remember you mentioning town Untargetable yes.
Didnt consider at the time how redundant that could make 'town fireproof'.

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MZero
12/20/22 3:46:20 AM
#17:


So far we have Scare and Isquen with similar roles and MI claiming a similar role to what Corrik flipped, so I wouldn't be surprised if Ben is the scum counterpart to my role, and scum probably would have something to counter red

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ctesjbuvf
12/20/22 3:51:42 AM
#18:


Catching up on my phone. Posting ad I go.

masterplum posted...
I also think we dont need to mass because Ben is still very scum. I am almost sure that scum Corrik doesnt run that counter train D1 on town. One of the reasons I instantly went Ben is it felt like that Corrik train was oozing scum on scum

I agree with this. I don't think it's worth it yet either. Corrik has had some insanely good town games recently and I don't think he goes that hard on someone not on his team. Maybe further down the line, but not early. His death also makes me feel better about SBell despite how bad a look it was ignoring Scare. For what it's with, BCT getting modkilled for being 2 seconds also makes the argument Corrik made about SBell not being able to be in a team with Scare better. Although the case with Suprak not necessarily being around does too.

If it's not SBell and with plum looking much better than a few days ago, Ben would have to be the other scum I suspect there was in the end of day 2.

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ctesjbuvf
12/20/22 3:54:01 AM
#19:


PunishedBen posted...
Also damn i said that if Lea and MI are both town that this would be an easy game. Even if i have to die today, I feel we should be able to solve the game today.

To start, the fact that scum figured out Chaex was worth killing likely means that everyone claimed so far is town. Let me put together a list and see if that tracks

I very much doubt that was a blind shot.

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MZero
12/20/22 3:57:25 AM
#20:


It is possible Scare shot without notifying his team and I assume there is more leeway given for a random stop in the middle of the day compared to a hard deadline established well in advance, but I'm inclined to believe SBell is town

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ctesjbuvf
12/20/22 4:00:26 AM
#21:


masterplum posted...
I think there is a non zero chance MI is not Town. Im bothered that even though Corrik was scum, his role does in fact seem to contradict MIs claim

Though Corrik dying from finding a lie in town as scum is the most Corrik way to die possible

My biggest pause yesterday was that Corrik's role seems like such a huge scum trap on a team that already had some trap in Scare's role (though less so). Like yes, he can just not claim it, but it does indeed contradict even if he probably did not have MI there. I guess it was would also be a trap for town if neither were town though, so maybe we just don't go there.

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ctesjbuvf
12/20/22 4:02:35 AM
#22:


MZero posted...
It is possible Scare shot without notifying his team and I assume there is more leeway given for a random stop in the middle of the day compared to a hard deadline established well in advance, but I'm inclined to believe SBell is town

Well yeah, it was more about a stubborn Corrik read. I think he'd want to be right about those, especially given it wasn't that many.

Scare shooting without notifying sounds ridiculous given what he had in his role.

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htaeD
12/20/22 4:03:21 AM
#23:


JC could be a lucky shot they made while avoiding protection on the masons
Think its more likely that they scanned JC with something

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htaeD
12/20/22 4:04:31 AM
#24:


Btw I hope BCT is alright, despite what happened.

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ctesjbuvf
12/20/22 4:04:36 AM
#25:


PunishedBen posted...
I will take this list and add Chaeix so that we can look at what scum was looking at last night

1) Ben - Fireproof
2) changmas
3) ctesjbuvf
4) Death
5) Lea - Mason
6) plum - Vanilla
7) MZero
8) SBell
9) TheSultanOfSlam
10) TotallyNotMI - Mason
11) Chaeix

I'm also going to add all the other information that has been brought forth this game that scum would be aware of if true.

1) Ben - Fireproof
2) changmas - Roleblocked night 1. Snarkily NOT roleblocked night 2. One-use action?
3) ctesjbuvf
4) Death
5) Lea - Mason
6) plum - Vanilla
7) MZero
8) SBell - Claimed he can not move at night.
9) TheSultanOfSlam - Vanilla because Corrik says it is obvious.
10) TotallyNotMI - Mason
11) Chaeix

Now we take out the people unclaimed.

3) ctesjbuvf
4) Death
7) MZero
11) Chaeix

Lets say two of these are scum. It makes scum's odds of hitting the doctor 50%
But we can add to that, this knowledge

So Corrik was aware of someone visting him, and perhaps was told exactly who it was as well? This would narrow the list of suspects left down to just 3 people, and make scum's chance of hitting the doctor last night 100%

Jfc this logic is flawed where do I even begin.

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ctesjbuvf
12/20/22 4:19:11 AM
#26:


That post screams having a conclusion before finding a logical path to it.

Let's start at chang. First of all, pretty sure chang said he wouldn't know if he was roleblocked. Second of all, no way they blind fire a one use roleblock at chang night 1. Thirdly, if you're actually right about him only being blocked once, then how could you remove him from the pool scum would think doctor was in. And fourth, the fact that chang is still the only person claiming a roleblock actually makes it a less good town case for him than I (and I think others) I initially thought.

IIRC, plum claimed vanilla like a moment after he was told something about how it wasn't even important what he claimed.

Sure SBell didn't move but could be on the scum team and not move.

You bring up Corrik saying Sultan is vanilla and don't consider a scanner there.

Corrik (our only knowledge of a role like that who was scum) possibly being told who the person is without it being from his own role would mean town has yet another strong way of confirming themselves on top of what looks like two sets of what is effectively double voters. That's such a stretch to be able to drop a "100%".

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htaeD
12/20/22 4:30:54 AM
#27:


I think he means that Changmas has a 1use action? Not the roleblocker.
Dont think Changmas needs to clarify either way.

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ctesjbuvf
12/20/22 4:38:24 AM
#28:


changmas posted...
anyone wanna take a stab at who corrik picked on his team?

scare? or someone who still walks among us

I thought about it but I don't think there's any hints or whatever to find, so it'd have to be based on who you think Corrik would just like to play on a team with the most and I have no idea where to begin there. Could be Scare I guess.

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ctesjbuvf
12/20/22 4:49:41 AM
#29:


PunishedBen posted...
I am liking Mzero more than Ctes and Death on re-read

A bit more than hour after start of day, like half an hour after getting to these three after which you followed and talked about the game and you supposedly reread on three people already. Need I remind you that you've talked about going after Death a lot (not with much reasoning though). Took a reread to get there?

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ctesjbuvf
12/20/22 4:54:13 AM
#30:


Wait why in the world claim untargetable now? There were talks of same timing, talks of not mass claiming yet, two votes on you yes, but also people looking elsewhere. If town this is just getting info out there for a scum team that just offer the doctor.

I've felt good about MZero but it's a bit hard to see the town motive here. Hm.

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ctesjbuvf
12/20/22 5:06:47 AM
#31:


Okay I am caught up again.

##vote: Ben

I got sidetracked for a few days, but I think I was right on day 1. I was last game as well about the same person. At this point there are just too many things against him, so that it seems unlikely he would not be scum.

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ctesjbuvf
12/20/22 5:22:02 AM
#32:


Let me try to summarize where I'm at aside from that

I think it's interesting how many times I've seen people talk about Death in their scum teams since the start of the game and ironically it has never really been pushed for. I am not sure what to make of it. Closest thing was MI bluffing a scan and Death simply not claiming is probably the best look he has had, but he doesn't stand out much. I have a hard time reading Death but if I try to picture a scum team and draw connections, I basically always end with Death let in the pool, so I think it's where to pressure next.

I'm the event Ben actually flips town, I would look back at plum and SBell. But I don't think they can be scum with Ben almost exclusively based on end of day 2. MZero's claim also somehow looks even worse if that happens. MZero can be scum regardless I guess, I'm not liking that claim.

I don't have anything particular, but chang is going too much under the radar I think. Saw the same thing last game. I'm pretty sure what cleared him in most eyes was the roleblock and there have been no other cases of roleblocking existing. It worries me no one is even talking about him.

I too considered if some of this Sultan stuff was an act. Two games ago he was scum caught day 1, one game ago he was town confirmed through similar ways as now and got to live the whole game, so maybe with the help of someone could coach him to replicate? I could see Corrik wanting to do something like that. It just feels too muchlike stuff you can't write or act for me to truly consider it.

I will return to worry about MI and Lea if they're both alive in a few days, at the moment it seems very unlikely the remaining scum is there.

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MZero
12/20/22 5:23:09 AM
#33:


ctesjbuvf posted...
Wait why in the world claim untargetable now? There were talks of same timing, talks of not mass claiming yet, two votes on you yes, but also people looking elsewhere. If town this is just getting info out there for a scum team that just offer the doctor.

I've felt good about MZero but it's a bit hard to see the town motive here. Hm.

A few reasons. One, in case someone targeted me and was going to claim a failed action. Two, so any scanners we have don't waste an action on me. Three, some people (MI I think) said they'd be suspicious of ben if town had a fireproof role, so I wanted that info out there. Four, I don't think scum i going to bother with me anymore after how off I have been this game, so there's not much benefit to hiding it imo

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MZero
12/20/22 5:23:58 AM
#34:


MZero posted...
A few reasons. One, in case someone targeted me and was going to claim a failed action.

To elaborate on this, I mean someone unclaimed outting themself when they don't need to

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ctesjbuvf
12/20/22 5:24:10 AM
#35:


htaeD posted...
I think he means that Changmas has a 1use action? Not the roleblocker.
Dont think Changmas needs to clarify either way.

That would mean he still had it and decided to hold on it, would it not? Why want to use it day 1 and not 2?

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ctesjbuvf
12/20/22 5:31:42 AM
#36:


MZero posted...
A few reasons. One, in case someone targeted me and was going to claim a failed action. Two, so any scanners we have don't waste an action on me. Three, some people (MI I think) said they'd be suspicious of ben if town had a fireproof role, so I wanted that info out there. Four, I don't think scum i going to bother with me anymore after how off I have been this game, so there's not much benefit to hiding it imo

Alright, maybe I went too hard on that. I don't think I agree it was a good move yet, but I follow the logic here. Don't think you can't be shot after being off some days, but I suppose if scum did indeed have a scan on JC, there's a chance they would scan you as well and the best case for not claiming is out anyways

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masterplum
12/20/22 6:46:16 AM
#37:


Ctes, I quite like your analysis, but it feels like your conclusion is half the game is scum. Does that concern you?

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ctesjbuvf
12/20/22 7:19:49 AM
#38:


Oh I mean that was not how it was intended.

Plan is to lynch Ben today and if he's scum as expected this makes plum and SBell look very likely town and the remaining scum are very likely in Death, MZero and chang.

Should Ben actually flip town, then MZero looks a lot more likely scum, most assuredly exactly one in SBell/plum and at least one in Death/chang. I think Death is more unlikely to be scum with SBell.

Everyone else I'm not actually considering atm, just shared what thoughts I had.

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htaeD
12/20/22 7:28:47 AM
#39:


Honestly, I am not even sure if Corrik was defending a Scumbell or if he was just trying to sound smarter than everyone else.
(His defense of BCT was clearly a case of the latter, so its not outside his motivational range)

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TotallyNotMI
12/20/22 7:31:44 AM
#40:


The fact that supposedly town fireproof Ben came to the conclusion that town untargettable Mzero is town is concerning.

Town does not have fireproof and untargetable. One of them is scum.

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MZero
12/20/22 7:37:09 AM
#42:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


last game I played I got killed N1. I didn't claim day 1 because I thought I could draw a shot. I've been booty this game but not inactive, except for when I was flying. No one really suspected me before today other than BCT

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Obellisk
12/20/22 7:38:21 AM
#43:


ctesjbuvf posted...
Sure SBell didn't move but could be on the scum team and not move.

this is a stretch. show me a mafia game where the entire team isn't acting night 1. At least have the balls to call me a goddamn ninja that would know I couldn't have been seen getting up, don't just say I'm scum that didn't act.
Not a good post.

Sultan, I love the leg work but you are reaching the wrong conclusion here. Sure my game has been off and I didn't waste too much time considering BCT couldn't possibly be town but this is still very mich my town game, I think you'd be hard pressed to find comparisons to previous scum games (but maybe that's just me since I know I'm town).


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MZero
12/20/22 7:40:05 AM
#44:


And yes, I did the exact same thing that game that I did this game. I called DYL scum from his opening post and tunneled him all day. Everyone agreed I was town because I wasn't inactive and I got shot

only difference is I was wrong this time

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MZero
12/20/22 7:45:42 AM
#47:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


I literally voted Ben day 1

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ctesjbuvf
12/20/22 7:46:49 AM
#48:


Obellisk posted...
this is a stretch. show me a mafia game where the entire team isn't acting night 1. At least have the balls to call me a goddamn ninja that would know I couldn't have been seen getting up, don't just say I'm scum that didn't act.
Not a good post.

The entire point was that Ben was townclearing people bases on just having said anything about their role because JC died and that made no sense, that's the whole takeaway you need there.

But since you asked, Corrik only moved N1 if he sent the kill because Scare couldn't so I guess this game lol. That would actually be a good point in your favor but given chang claimed roleblocked right after and you would know this was true if on a scum team that roleblocked him, it doesn't mean too much.

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MZero
12/20/22 7:49:10 AM
#50:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
MZero, bark up a different tree for me. Pretend I just claimed Mayor (wink) and won't let you lynch BCT today.

Convince me to let us lynch someone else.


MZero posted...
I would lynch Han for being a Scrooge :I

Serious answer: ben. He's been rule of 3'd by BCT twice already. Plus I'd love to have his flip to analyze the day 1 trains, whether it was town/town or town/scum

also wouldn't mind pressuring plum a bit. Stan didn't look great and plum has been kind of inconsistent. I need to reread though

MZero posted...
When BCT made his first catch-up post, he said

at this point, ben was getting heat and it kind of looks like he was positioning himself to jump on if necessary, but didn't want to commit

Then when he came back from thinking he was modkilled, he said

His read flips from "I don't know what to make of it" to scum with no justification. At this point, ben wasn't the hot topic anymore. When pressed on it, he gives a vague answer and says "don't ask". He never answered me when I asked why he went from neutral to scum on ben (other than asking when he had a neutral read). I believe SBell was never answered when asked for elaboration on the Ben read either.

Ben is scum with BCT, There you go.

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