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The_Popo
12/12/22 2:19:48 AM
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https://www.cnet.com/google-amp/news/a-fusion-energy-breakthrough-major-announcement-expected-from-us-scientists/

A Fusion Energy Breakthrough? Major Announcement Expected from US Scientists

Scientists at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory may have achieved a remarkable new high point for fusion reactions, generating more energy than was pumped in during a recent experiment, according to a report by the Financial Times.

The publication suggests scientists "with knowledge of preliminary results from a recent experiment" have discussed the result and analysis is ongoing. A major announcement is scheduled to take place at LLNL on Tuesday, Dec. 13. It's expected to be livestreamed by the Department of Energy at approximately 7 a.m. PT.

The National Ignition Facility operates an "inertial confinement fusion" experiment which sees almost 200 lasers fired directly at a tiny capsule of hydrogen. According to Nathan Garland, a physicist at Griffith University in Australia, the lasers create a plasma around the capsule which eventually starts an implosion -- it's these conditions which allow for fusion reactions to take place.

Fusion is the reaction that powers our sun and it works by smashing two heavy atoms together. This requires extreme pressure and extreme heat but trying to recreate the conditions in a lab is "super difficult," noted Garland.

The energy released by fusing the two atoms together is massive and, importantly, releases no carbon. Unlike fission -- splitting atoms -- used in nuclear power plants, fusion also leaves behind no radioactive waste and there's no risk of meltdown, either. In short, if we could harness fusion power, it would revolutionize energy, allowing us to generate clean power without pumping greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.

If the FT report and chatter on social media is correct, scientists at LLNL could have achieved "fusion energy gain" which is denoted by the letter Q. In a fusion experiment, if Q > 1, then we're on our way to a bona fide energy breakthrough, one that scientists have long been dreaming of reaching. "It is a big deal for sure, if true," Garland said.

But, as with all science, it's good to be cautious and not overhype results yet to be fully analyzed. We have been here before, after all. In 2013, reports swirled the NIF had achieved this exact feat. It wasn't the case.

In more recent times, though, NIF has taken big strides toward achieving the goal. In August 2021, researchers reported they had, for a brief moment, re-created the power of the sun in a self-sustaining reaction. That's a good pedigree and one that makes us here at CNET Science feel a little more confident in the rumors.

A spokesperson for LLNL told CNET "our analysis is still ongoing, so we're unable to provide details or confirmation at this time" and provided a link to the media advisory -- which, in all caps, suggests a "MAJOR SCIENTIFIC BREAKTHROUGH."

The result won't mean that we suddenly have an endless supply of energy. It's likely the reaction that took place at NIF lasted for just a fraction of a second or even less. But this is the first step in a journey toward fusion energy as a viable, serious technology to power our world. It provides a proof of concept that fusion experiments like this can reach Q > 1.

So while we're always cautious to throw around the word "breakthrough" when reporting on cutting-edge science -- especially in the realm of fusion energy -- it does feel like it might be justified here. We'll have to wait and see.

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Hornswoggled
12/12/22 2:27:08 AM
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The power of the sun in the palm of my hand.
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DeadBankerDream
12/12/22 2:27:27 AM
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This reminds me of the cold fusion debacle

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VampireCoyote
12/12/22 2:30:32 AM
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still gotta figure out how to actually harness the reaction into useable energy though

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shironinja
12/12/22 2:34:11 AM
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VampireCoyote posted...
still gotta figure out how to actually harness the reaction into useable energy though

ayyy lets just use a steam turbine because thats all we know how to do.

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TheMikh
12/12/22 2:51:31 AM
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the future's looking that much more bright.

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Tom_Joad
12/12/22 3:29:57 AM
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The_Popo posted...
Fusion is the reaction that powers our sun and it works by smashing two heavy atoms together. This requires extreme pressure and extreme heat but trying to recreate the conditions in a lab is "super difficult," noted Garland.

Wut?

Hydrgen atoms are the 'lightest' atoms in the universe. They aren't 'heavy'.

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indica
12/12/22 3:53:07 AM
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DeadBankerDream posted...
This reminds me of the cold fusion debacle
My university was part of that. It was so cool until it couldn't be replicated ( -_-)

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UnfairRepresent
12/12/22 4:01:38 AM
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Superhero movie plot in 3.....2....1

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Anony1125
12/12/22 3:55:31 PM
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Tom_Joad posted...
Wut?

Hydrgen atoms are the 'lightest' atoms in the universe. They aren't 'heavy'.
smh everybody's a tough guy when they don't have to carry a hydrogen atom
I'm sure you lift too

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GrandConjuraton
12/12/22 3:56:19 PM
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Hornswoggled posted...
The power of the sun in the palm of my hand.


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ElatedVenusaur
12/12/22 3:56:26 PM
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Can't wait for capitalism to monetize fusion and completely undercut its revolutionary potential.

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masterpug53
12/12/22 4:16:02 PM
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ElatedVenusaur posted...
Can't wait for capitalism to monetize fusion and completely undercut its revolutionary potential.

While I don't think your cynicism is entirely misplaced, the drive to make fusion energy cost-effective / economically viable will be the true transitional threshold from 'sci-fi pipe dream' to 'everyday reality.' In order for the industry to reach the point of being able to jack up prices, they first have to invest the time and money to make the technology cheap and efficient; so it's a necessary evil.

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Tom_Joad
12/12/22 5:10:44 PM
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Anony1125 posted...
smh everybody's a tough guy when they don't have to carry a hydrogen atom
I'm sure you lift too

I carry around 60 pounds of hydrogen everywhere I go... every single day. I even sleep with it and go to the bathroom with it. And I shower with it, too.


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thronedfire2
12/12/22 5:34:00 PM
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Tom_Joad posted...
Wut?

Hydrgen atoms are the 'lightest' atoms in the universe. They aren't 'heavy'.

Im pretty sure 'heavy atom' just means an atom with extra neutrons. or maybe protons. but either way, hydrogen would be the easiest to split since it has the least afaik. I'm not a nuclear engineer

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Tom_Joad
12/12/22 6:48:13 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
Im pretty sure 'heavy atom' just means an atom with extra neutrons. or maybe protons. but either way, hydrogen would be the easiest to split since it has the least afaik. I'm not a nuclear engineer

Fusion doesn't split atoms, but... fuse them.

For example:

One hydrogen atom + one hydrogen atom... fuses into one deuterium isotope of hydrogen atom and a bunch of energy.

One deuterium isotope of hydrogen atom + one hydrogen atom... fuses into one tritium isotope of hydrogen atom and a bunch of energy.

One tritium isotope of hydrogen atom + one tritium isotope of hydrogen atom... fuses into one helium atom, 2 hydrogen atoms, and a bunch of energy.

(At least, that's what happens in the sun.)


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Questionmarktarius
12/12/22 7:07:26 PM
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VampireCoyote posted...
still gotta figure out how to actually harness the reaction into useable energy though
also solve the problem of the reactor itself becoming radioactive from all the stray neutrons flying around
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AgentCoulson
12/12/22 7:10:48 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Superhero movie plot in 3.....2....1

The minute I see a metal tentacle, I'm out.

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ssj3vegeta
12/12/22 7:11:57 PM
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now how will dis be used for evil?

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Tom_Joad
12/12/22 8:03:08 PM
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ssj3vegeta posted...
now how will dis be used for evil?

Hydrogen bombs... oh, wait.

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tremain07
12/12/22 8:05:28 PM
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Angry oil and coal barons flooding money into their lobbyists and politicians in Three....two....one

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