Poll of the Day > Hades is the future.

(+) Yeah! (+)

Meaningful player choices.
Dynamic plot and dialogue.
Multiplatform.
Can have wifu.

Hope not. If the future is Roguelike hack-and-slash, I probably won't be gaming. I got bored of Diablo years ago.

Also husbandu

James Woods was fantastic

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Hope not. If the future is Roguelike hack-and-slash, I probably won't be gaming. I got bored of Diablo years ago.

This.

Although, I only see about 1-2 games a year anymore that are worthwhile. I'm probably already there.

I'm not sure I'd say Hades has meaningful player choices. The choices you make mostly just affect when the story reaches certain points, not which direction it goes. Gameplay-wise, the choices you make have roughly the same effect as similar choices in any other roguelike, which is to say that they're meaningful, but not uniquely so.

Don't get me wrong, it's a phenomenal game and I'm very much looking forward to the sequel, but I wouldn't count meaningful choices among its merits.

I'm really happy for Supergiant

Roguelike is a garbage genre.

You can add Soulslike to that statement as well.

Oh, how far action games have fallen.

Krow_Incarnate posted...

Roguelike is a garbage genre.

You can add Soulslike to that statement as well.

Oh, how far action games have fallen.

What's wrong with Soulslike?

Krow_Incarnate posted...

Roguelike is a garbage genre.

Maybe for some people. My friend and I enjoy them, though Most of the ones I play are fun to me And I know many people like the souls like games (though they arent for me)

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Hope not. If the future is Roguelike hack-and-slash, I probably won't be gaming. I got bored of Diablo years ago.

do you like anything that isnt 20 years old

Isn't Rogue from the 80s or something

I usually hate the rogue like genre but Hades was an exception since there is progression as opposed to starting fresh each run making everything you do pointless since it doesn't carry over to future runs like most other games in the genre

Also it's a fantastic game as well

Also also for those saying there are no romance options haven't played enough of it but I won't say any further

captainjeff87 posted...

I usually hate the rogue like genre but Hades was an exception since there is progression as opposed to starting fresh each run making everything you do pointless since it doesn't carry over to future runs like most other games in the genre

Also it's a fantastic game as well

Also also for those saying there are no romance options haven't played enough of it but I won't say any further

There are plenty of games in the genre that allows you to make progression. You probably just missed them Like you make Progression in Undermine. Crypt of the NecroDancer has progression if you play the zone individually. Plenty of others, as well Even both Rogue Legacy games have about the same amount of progression

DirtBasedSoap posted...

do you like anything that isnt 20 years old

I like my women like I like my video games
I don't like video games

as a gay man i agree

captainjeff87 posted...

I usually hate the rogue like genre but Hades was an exception since there is progression as opposed to starting fresh each run making everything you do pointless since it doesn't carry over to future runs like most other games in the genre

Also it's a fantastic game as well

Also also for those saying there are no romance options haven't played enough of it but I won't say any further

Roguelike and Roguelite are a bit different, Roguelites often feature forms of perma-progresion like Hades, Dead Cells or Gunfire Reborn to name a few. Roguelikes don't but even some may still feature limited amounts of it.

captainjeff87 posted...

I usually hate the rogue like genre but Hades was an exception since there is progression as opposed to starting fresh each run making everything you do pointless since it doesn't carry over to future runs like most other games in the genre

Roguelites are what you like. Personally I love both.

Krow_Incarnate posted...

Roguelike is a garbage genre.

You can add Soulslike to that statement as well.

Oh, how far action games have fallen.

toilet opinion

Metalsonic66 posted...

Isn't Rogue from the 80s or something

70's

captainjeff87 posted...

I usually hate the rogue like genre but Hades was an exception since there is progression as opposed to starting fresh each run making everything you do pointless since it doesn't carry over to future runs like most other games in the genre

That's the main distinction between Roguelike and Roguelite (at least, as the terms are used in the modern gaming discourse): If there's meta-progression, it's a Roguelite. Most Roguelike games out there these days are actually Roguelites, since a lot of people share your opinion that making some sort of overall progress is a stronger incentive to keep playing than just gradually getting better through practice with each successive run (especially where that also happens in Roguelites).

captainjeff87 posted...

Also also for those saying there are no romance options haven't played enough of it but I won't say any further

Who said there are no romance options?

BigOlePappy posted...

What's wrong with Soulslike?

Honestly, nothing until it outright became a genre. I hated how the first Dark Souls felt, clunky and slow, but I could appreciate the game's design and I even loved Nioh when that came out.

The problem is that it's existence pretty much outright killed the character action games like DMC and Ninja Gaiden. Devil May Cry 5 was literally the only game of its type that we got throughout the entire last generation, where every single other game that came out that had a claim of any kind to the action genre, was a freaking soulslike.

And then it's expanded to things like Wulong, where a game in that setting should appeal to me. The problem is the Soulslike core genre doesn't lend itself well to that setting at all. Armies were massive during that period and even platoons weren't going to be particularly small at all. Yet, here you are fighting lone peons or small groups(usually no larger than 5 at a time at most) for the majority of the combat, because that's the nature of these games and how they're designed.

Soulslike is fine on its own, but it's irreparably fucked the industry.

Krow_Incarnate posted...

The problem is that it's existence pretty much outright killed the character action games like DMC and Ninja Gaiden. Devil May Cry 5 was literally the only game of its type that we got throughout the entire last generation, where every single other game that came out that had a claim of any kind to the action genre, was a freaking soulslike.

I'm not sure how you're defining "last generation," but Platinum has kept producing such games pretty much continuously over the last decade without particularly straying into Soulslike territory. DmC and DMC5 both exist (2013 and 2019, respectively), various Musou games keep showing up each year (which is a different style of game, but still definitely "action")... Sure, there are tons of games trying to cash in on the Soulslike bandwagon, but it's not like there's a shortage of action games that don't.

Krow_Incarnate posted...

Soulslike is fine on its own, but it's irreparably f***ed the industry.

Did you feel the same way about MMO's in 2005? Or rhythm games in 2008? Or JRPG's in 1994? Battle royale games/modes in 2018? Survival crafting games in 2012?

The sub-genre's popular right now. That means you're going to get a lot of people trying to cash in on that popularity when they decide what sort of game to make, but that's just the current trend. That trend will pass and other genres will become the new flavours of the month. To hate the sub-genre for "ruining the industry" is myopic and melodramatic.

Krow_Incarnate posted...

Honestly, nothing until it outright became a genre. I hated how the first Dark Souls felt, clunky and slow, but I could appreciate the game's design and I even loved Nioh when that came out.

The problem is that it's existence pretty much outright killed the character action games like DMC and Ninja Gaiden. Devil May Cry 5 was literally the only game of its type that we got throughout the entire last generation, where every single other game that came out that had a claim of any kind to the action genre, was a freaking soulslike.

And then it's expanded to things like Wulong, where a game in that setting should appeal to me. The problem is the Soulslike core genre doesn't lend itself well to that setting at all. Armies were massive during that period and even platoons weren't going to be particularly small at all. Yet, here you are fighting lone peons or small groups(usually no larger than 5 at a time at most) for the majority of the combat, because that's the nature of these games and how they're designed.

Soulslike is fine on its own, but it's irreparably fucked the industry.

Bayonetta

DirtBasedSoap posted...

do you like anything that isnt 20 years old

Yes. I've said multiple times that I love Stardew Valley, and I'm looking forward to the Haunted Chocolatier.

I'm also oddly interested in seeing how this game turns out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hpp4jVNNo_Q

He has mentioned Stardew Valley multiple times. And even told me about his boxes. He has them all over the place, IIRC

Btw, are you interested in the Haunted Chocolatier, PO?

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Yes. I've said multiple times that I love Stardew Valley, and I'm looking forward to the Haunted Chocolatier.

I'm also oddly interested in seeing how this game turns out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hpp4jVNNo_Q

The concept is wtf intriguing.

BigOlePappy posted...

What's wrong with Soulslike?

shit combat

only if you're bad at it

Hard_Light posted...

only if you're bad at it

dodge rolling isn't good combat.
melee on shoulder buttons instead of square/triangle isn't good

yes we know you're bad at it

Krazy_Kirby posted...

melee on shoulder buttons instead of square/triangle isn't good

Why?

Got to the credits finally after taking like a long break. It's one of those games that's really fun to get better at.
Looking forward to 2.