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Patchwork 11/30/22 4:55:08 PM #152: |
Shits gonna get real bad in this country in the foreseeable future. --- The mind is its own place, and in itself Can make a heav'n of hell, a hell of heav'n. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkbuster 11/30/22 5:03:11 PM #153: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] You think the owners will just absorb the costs of these paid sick days? It's going to come back in the form of raised prices for consumers. People already complain about rising prices & downsized products. Siding with workers would have definitely made him look good in the eyes of liberals, but it was basically giving conservatives free shots. --- Remember kids, it's only an RPG until someone gets hit with a meteor; Then it's a JRPG! SSBB: 3869 0521 7142 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheGoldenEel 11/30/22 5:04:58 PM #154: |
darkbuster posted... You think the owners will just absorb the costs of these paid sick days? It's going to come back in the form of raised prices for consumers. People already complain about rising prices & downsized products. Siding with workers would have definitely made him look good in the eyes of liberals, but it was basically giving conservatives free shots.nationalize the fucking rails --- BLACK LIVES MATTER Games: http://backloggery.com/wrldindstries302 \\ Music: http://www.last.fm/user/DrMorberg/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkbuster 11/30/22 5:13:41 PM #157: |
TheGoldenEel posted... nationalize the fucking rails Sounds pretty COMMUNIST of you, comrade. Seriously though, America's massive hard-on for unchecked capitalism would never accept this, even if some things really do need to be under some form of communist/socialist management, to circumvent capitalistic greed on the control of critical infrastructure. [LFAQs-redacted-quote] --- Remember kids, it's only an RPG until someone gets hit with a meteor; Then it's a JRPG! SSBB: 3869 0521 7142 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Giant_Aspirin 11/30/22 5:14:22 PM #158: |
darkbuster posted... You think the owners will just absorb the costs of these paid sick days? It's going to come back in the form of raised prices for consumers. People already complain about rising prices & downsized products. Siding with workers would have definitely made him look good in the eyes of liberals, but it was basically giving conservatives free shots. you're right. all jobs that directly affect consumer prices should eliminate any and all worker benefits, since those ultimately just drive price up. *rolls eyes* darkbuster posted... Sounds pretty COMMUNIST of you, comrade. *socialist --- Playing: Yakuza: Like a Dragon I hope something good happens to you today ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Agent_Stroud 11/30/22 5:20:58 PM #160: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Wheres Rocky and Bullwinkle when you need them? https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/3/1/AAR6WtAAD8Dv.jpg --- "Palpy didn't get laid, the only people he seduced were Maul, Dooku and Anakin." -- WingZero0782, in response to an impromptu Star Wars lore discussion ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tmaster148 11/30/22 5:28:59 PM #161: |
darkbuster posted... You think the owners will just absorb the costs of these paid sick days? It's going to come back in the form of raised prices for consumers. People already complain about rising prices & downsized products. Siding with workers would have definitely made him look good in the eyes of liberals, but it was basically giving conservatives free shots. Except that companies never lower their prices when they get tax breaks and such. Or the fact they have record profits and still raise prices. Basically the price for things has no actual bearing on anything. Companies raise prices to bring in more profits, because that is what shareholders want to see. --- http://i.imgur.com/BBcZDLJ.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkbuster 11/30/22 5:31:22 PM #162: |
Giant_Aspirin posted... you're right. all jobs that directly affect consumer prices should eliminate any and all worker benefits, since those ultimately just drive price up. The distinct issue here, is that Biden (& other politicians) can't be directly blamed for greedy owners being greedy owners. Sure, Liberals will still spite him for it, but the common folk won't associate his support for workers rights for why their gas is higher. You might be willing to go all the way, but too many people will quickly fold when they realize that "power to the people" requires they make some sacrifices. If the workers strike after this, then it's relatively out of Biden's hands. The most common association will be the "greedy & selfish" rail workers or the "evil" owners. Is it messed up to think in those terms? Absolutely, but that's how it could likely go. --- Remember kids, it's only an RPG until someone gets hit with a meteor; Then it's a JRPG! SSBB: 3869 0521 7142 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Fin_Dawg_004 11/30/22 5:39:39 PM #164: |
'The most pro-union president' --- Ruthkanda Forever ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkbuster 11/30/22 5:43:06 PM #165: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] True, but Biden isn't going to be the one declaring the strike, & if he mediates it well, he can look like a hero who ended the strike, instead of the reason things cost more, because he wanted to give some rail workers PTO. Just want to emphasize, that I don't agree with this, I just understand some of the basic logic. Not supporting the workers is basically keeping things as they are. If some people get inconvenienced in a change, they will look for someone to blame, & it's best not to be a viable target for that. --- Remember kids, it's only an RPG until someone gets hit with a meteor; Then it's a JRPG! SSBB: 3869 0521 7142 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Rexdragon125 11/30/22 5:45:38 PM #167: |
But I thought republicans love slave labor, why are they pretending to care? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Meow_Meow_Meow 11/30/22 6:10:12 PM #168: |
Three delays that happened a few months ago were bad enough, hope things get resolved quickly --- Boycott Twitter if you don't like what's going on. /// Don't be antagonistic. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkbuster 11/30/22 6:13:16 PM #169: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Well, I'll just put it simply this way: workers rights sound like a great idea, until people realize their stuff costs more than it used to. Owners may raise their price regardless of reason, but what do you think happens when they DO have a reason? It'd be preferable to not be potentially labelled as the cause of that reason. Now at this point, you've probably got sentiments on the line of "well, if Biden is going to be weak coward to do (insert X) we'll just replace him with someone who will". Now you've got someone who is in the same position, facing the same problems; this person either follows the predecessor & this chain continues until you get someone who takes the risk. If the risk works out, it'll be a cause for celebration; if it fails, the result is most likely being ostracized & criticized from the position of hindsight of how "obvious" it was what should have been done. What I'm trying to say here is that a lot of things that could & should be done, simply aren't, because of politics. Politics really do suck. --- Remember kids, it's only an RPG until someone gets hit with a meteor; Then it's a JRPG! SSBB: 3869 0521 7142 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkbuster 11/30/22 6:27:35 PM #171: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] I'm just stating my take on how politics seem to work; if you're a career politician, there's a certain degree of needing to protect your own neck. If you accept that notion, politicians' actions don't seem so enigmatic. If you don't like it, you can side to whatever you want to believe. --- Remember kids, it's only an RPG until someone gets hit with a meteor; Then it's a JRPG! SSBB: 3869 0521 7142 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Alteres 11/30/22 6:28:01 PM #172: |
TheGoldenEel posted... They arent intervening on the sick days though. They are playing politics. --- ........the ghost in the machine... IGN: Fox, FC: 5344-2646-0982 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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s0nicfan 11/30/22 7:11:41 PM #173: |
Has somebody pointed out already that the deal they're being forced to agree to is the one Biden brokered in September that the majority of unions voted to support and only got stopped because of a handful of holdouts? This is what they're actually going to be getting: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63814432 The new measure passed by the House on Wednesday imposes a previous agreement that was rejected by four of the 12 labour unions involved in the negotiations, which collectively represent over 100,000 freight carrier employees. I'll also point out that the deal brokered was based on the Unions' own preferences and it seems like sick days was the only remaining holdout. They got everything else they wanted. The issue of paid sick leave was contentious during prior negotiations, with the unions - which had previously expressed a preference for higher wages and strong disability benefits over sick days - arguing that the immensely profitable railroad companies could afford them with minimal impact. So while I completely agree that everybody should get sick days, it's not like they're being forced to give up everything. They're just going with the agreement that 2/3 of the unions were already okay with. Edit: Antifar posted... Note: the holdouts make up a majority of the workers affected --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 11/30/22 7:14:49 PM #174: |
s0nicfan posted... that the majority of unions voted to support and only got stopped because of a handful of holdouts?Note: the holdouts make up a majority of the workers affected --- kin to all that throbs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kloe_Rinz 11/30/22 8:28:22 PM #176: |
darkbuster posted... You think the owners will just absorb the costs of these paid sick days? It's going to come back in the form of raised prices for consumers. People already complain about rising prices & downsized products. Siding with workers would have definitely made him look good in the eyes of liberals, but it was basically giving conservatives free shots.They should be mandated to absorb the cost ... Copied to Clipboard!
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s0nicfan 11/30/22 8:30:10 PM #177: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] You're calling it a bullshit number in the very same topic where everyone has completely omitted all of the things that the union is actually getting so they can pretend like they're being completely screwed over due to one thing they're not getting, which the unions themselves said was a lower priority months ago. A 24% pay raise, bonuses, and a cap on health insurance costs is also, as you put it, "kind of a big deal." --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Agent_Stroud 11/30/22 8:43:51 PM #178: |
s0nicfan posted... You're calling it a bullshit number in the very same topic where everyone has completely omitted all of the things that the union is actually getting so they can pretend like they're being completely screwed over due to one thing they're not getting, which the unions themselves said was a lower priority months ago. Doesnt mean they shouldnt go for broke if they have the necessary leverage to do so. After all, an opportunity like this is one in a million, so theyd be fools to pass it up and hope to negotiate for the rest of their demands later. --- "Palpy didn't get laid, the only people he seduced were Maul, Dooku and Anakin." -- WingZero0782, in response to an impromptu Star Wars lore discussion ... Copied to Clipboard!
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s0nicfan 11/30/22 9:05:41 PM #179: |
Agent_Stroud posted... Doesnt mean they shouldnt go for broke if they have the necessary leverage to do so. After all, an opportunity like this is one in a million, so theyd be fools to pass it up and hope to negotiate for the rest of their demands later. Sure, absolutely, but that's a very different situation. "Union goes for broke, only gets nearly everything they asked for" isn't how the issue is being discussed. It completely reframes the debate around the degree to which we should cheer them on given the supposed consequences so they can get what they want. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kloe_Rinz 11/30/22 10:48:13 PM #180: |
darkbuster posted... Well, I'll just put it simply this way: workers rights sound like a great idea, until people realize their stuff costs more than it used to. wow, fuck, guess we need to treat workers like the third class subhuman filthy slaves they truly are then anyone with this opinion seriously needs to fuck off. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Savoots 12/01/22 6:53:24 PM #181: |
Biden, you motherfucker what the fuck are you thinking with this bullshit ass move? I can't believe this old ass motherfucker would side with the companies over the workers when he ran as a president of the people. This is some motherfucking bullshit, I can't believe it. --- Nirvana ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CobraGT 12/02/22 4:25:51 AM #182: |
So slow down? Or everyone call in sick. --- GoldenSun/Crossbone Isle diagrams/ 18 teams known https://photobucket.com/u/SwordOfWheat/a/9990a2ee-25f3-4242-ae79-7d2d4b882be4 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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