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Patchwork
11/30/22 4:55:08 PM
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Shits gonna get real bad in this country in the foreseeable future.

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darkbuster
11/30/22 5:03:11 PM
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You think the owners will just absorb the costs of these paid sick days? It's going to come back in the form of raised prices for consumers. People already complain about rising prices & downsized products. Siding with workers would have definitely made him look good in the eyes of liberals, but it was basically giving conservatives free shots.

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TheGoldenEel
11/30/22 5:04:58 PM
#154:


darkbuster posted...
You think the owners will just absorb the costs of these paid sick days? It's going to come back in the form of raised prices for consumers. People already complain about rising prices & downsized products. Siding with workers would have definitely made him look good in the eyes of liberals, but it was basically giving conservatives free shots.
nationalize the fucking rails

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darkbuster
11/30/22 5:13:41 PM
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TheGoldenEel posted...
nationalize the fucking rails

Sounds pretty COMMUNIST of you, comrade.

Seriously though, America's massive hard-on for unchecked capitalism would never accept this, even if some things really do need to be under some form of communist/socialist management, to circumvent capitalistic greed on the control of critical infrastructure.

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It's about at least not giving them such easy "excuses". Also, Biden can't be directly blamed for that.

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Giant_Aspirin
11/30/22 5:14:22 PM
#158:


darkbuster posted...
You think the owners will just absorb the costs of these paid sick days? It's going to come back in the form of raised prices for consumers. People already complain about rising prices & downsized products. Siding with workers would have definitely made him look good in the eyes of liberals, but it was basically giving conservatives free shots.


you're right. all jobs that directly affect consumer prices should eliminate any and all worker benefits, since those ultimately just drive price up.

*rolls eyes*

darkbuster posted...
Sounds pretty COMMUNIST of you, comrade.

*socialist

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Agent_Stroud
11/30/22 5:20:58 PM
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Wheres Rocky and Bullwinkle when you need them?

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Tmaster148
11/30/22 5:28:59 PM
#161:


darkbuster posted...
You think the owners will just absorb the costs of these paid sick days? It's going to come back in the form of raised prices for consumers. People already complain about rising prices & downsized products. Siding with workers would have definitely made him look good in the eyes of liberals, but it was basically giving conservatives free shots.

Except that companies never lower their prices when they get tax breaks and such. Or the fact they have record profits and still raise prices.

Basically the price for things has no actual bearing on anything. Companies raise prices to bring in more profits, because that is what shareholders want to see.

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darkbuster
11/30/22 5:31:22 PM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
you're right. all jobs that directly affect consumer prices should eliminate any and all worker benefits, since those ultimately just drive price up.

*rolls eyes*

The distinct issue here, is that Biden (& other politicians) can't be directly blamed for greedy owners being greedy owners. Sure, Liberals will still spite him for it, but the common folk won't associate his support for workers rights for why their gas is higher. You might be willing to go all the way, but too many people will quickly fold when they realize that "power to the people" requires they make some sacrifices.

If the workers strike after this, then it's relatively out of Biden's hands. The most common association will be the "greedy & selfish" rail workers or the "evil" owners. Is it messed up to think in those terms? Absolutely, but that's how it could likely go.

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Fin_Dawg_004
11/30/22 5:39:39 PM
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'The most pro-union president'

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darkbuster
11/30/22 5:43:06 PM
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True, but Biden isn't going to be the one declaring the strike, & if he mediates it well, he can look like a hero who ended the strike, instead of the reason things cost more, because he wanted to give some rail workers PTO.

Just want to emphasize, that I don't agree with this, I just understand some of the basic logic. Not supporting the workers is basically keeping things as they are. If some people get inconvenienced in a change, they will look for someone to blame, & it's best not to be a viable target for that.

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Rexdragon125
11/30/22 5:45:38 PM
#167:


But I thought republicans love slave labor, why are they pretending to care?
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Meow_Meow_Meow
11/30/22 6:10:12 PM
#168:


Three delays that happened a few months ago were bad enough, hope things get resolved quickly

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darkbuster
11/30/22 6:13:16 PM
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Well, I'll just put it simply this way: workers rights sound like a great idea, until people realize their stuff costs more than it used to. Owners may raise their price regardless of reason, but what do you think happens when they DO have a reason? It'd be preferable to not be potentially labelled as the cause of that reason. Now at this point, you've probably got sentiments on the line of "well, if Biden is going to be weak coward to do (insert X) we'll just replace him with someone who will". Now you've got someone who is in the same position, facing the same problems; this person either follows the predecessor & this chain continues until you get someone who takes the risk. If the risk works out, it'll be a cause for celebration; if it fails, the result is most likely being ostracized & criticized from the position of hindsight of how "obvious" it was what should have been done.

What I'm trying to say here is that a lot of things that could & should be done, simply aren't, because of politics. Politics really do suck.

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darkbuster
11/30/22 6:27:35 PM
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I'm just stating my take on how politics seem to work; if you're a career politician, there's a certain degree of needing to protect your own neck. If you accept that notion, politicians' actions don't seem so enigmatic. If you don't like it, you can side to whatever you want to believe.

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Alteres
11/30/22 6:28:01 PM
#172:


TheGoldenEel posted...
They arent intervening on the sick days though. They are playing politics.

by making it a bill (that they know will pass) and an amendment (that they know will die) they are trying to wash their hands of it and say they made an effort to give the workers their sick days but republicans blocked it


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s0nicfan
11/30/22 7:11:41 PM
#173:


Has somebody pointed out already that the deal they're being forced to agree to is the one Biden brokered in September that the majority of unions voted to support and only got stopped because of a handful of holdouts?

This is what they're actually going to be getting:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63814432
The new measure passed by the House on Wednesday imposes a previous agreement that was rejected by four of the 12 labour unions involved in the negotiations, which collectively represent over 100,000 freight carrier employees.

The deal included 24% raises - the most in more than 40 years - and $5,000 in bonuses stretched over a series of annual payments. While employees would be expected to pay a larger portion of their health insurance costs, premiums would be restricted to a maximum of 15%.

I'll also point out that the deal brokered was based on the Unions' own preferences and it seems like sick days was the only remaining holdout. They got everything else they wanted.
The issue of paid sick leave was contentious during prior negotiations, with the unions - which had previously expressed a preference for higher wages and strong disability benefits over sick days - arguing that the immensely profitable railroad companies could afford them with minimal impact.

So while I completely agree that everybody should get sick days, it's not like they're being forced to give up everything. They're just going with the agreement that 2/3 of the unions were already okay with.

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Note: the holdouts make up a majority of the workers affected



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Antifar
11/30/22 7:14:49 PM
#174:


s0nicfan posted...
that the majority of unions voted to support and only got stopped because of a handful of holdouts?
Note: the holdouts make up a majority of the workers affected

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Kloe_Rinz
11/30/22 8:28:22 PM
#176:


darkbuster posted...
You think the owners will just absorb the costs of these paid sick days? It's going to come back in the form of raised prices for consumers. People already complain about rising prices & downsized products. Siding with workers would have definitely made him look good in the eyes of liberals, but it was basically giving conservatives free shots.
They should be mandated to absorb the cost
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s0nicfan
11/30/22 8:30:10 PM
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You're calling it a bullshit number in the very same topic where everyone has completely omitted all of the things that the union is actually getting so they can pretend like they're being completely screwed over due to one thing they're not getting, which the unions themselves said was a lower priority months ago.

A 24% pay raise, bonuses, and a cap on health insurance costs is also, as you put it, "kind of a big deal."

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Agent_Stroud
11/30/22 8:43:51 PM
#178:


s0nicfan posted...
You're calling it a bullshit number in the very same topic where everyone has completely omitted all of the things that the union is actually getting so they can pretend like they're being completely screwed over due to one thing they're not getting, which the unions themselves said was a lower priority months ago.

A 24% pay raise, bonuses, and a cap on health insurance costs is also, as you put it, "kind of a big deal."

Doesnt mean they shouldnt go for broke if they have the necessary leverage to do so. After all, an opportunity like this is one in a million, so theyd be fools to pass it up and hope to negotiate for the rest of their demands later.

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s0nicfan
11/30/22 9:05:41 PM
#179:


Agent_Stroud posted...
Doesnt mean they shouldnt go for broke if they have the necessary leverage to do so. After all, an opportunity like this is one in a million, so theyd be fools to pass it up and hope to negotiate for the rest of their demands later.

Sure, absolutely, but that's a very different situation. "Union goes for broke, only gets nearly everything they asked for" isn't how the issue is being discussed. It completely reframes the debate around the degree to which we should cheer them on given the supposed consequences so they can get what they want.

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Kloe_Rinz
11/30/22 10:48:13 PM
#180:


darkbuster posted...
Well, I'll just put it simply this way: workers rights sound like a great idea, until people realize their stuff costs more than it used to.

wow, fuck, guess we need to treat workers like the third class subhuman filthy slaves they truly are then

anyone with this opinion seriously needs to fuck off.
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Savoots
12/01/22 6:53:24 PM
#181:


Biden, you motherfucker what the fuck are you thinking with this bullshit ass move?

I can't believe this old ass motherfucker would side with the companies over the workers when he ran as a president of the people. This is some motherfucking bullshit, I can't believe it.

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CobraGT
12/02/22 4:25:51 AM
#182:


So slow down? Or everyone call in sick.

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