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WingsOfGood
11/28/22 9:46:20 AM
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The $999.99 for 4 packs of fake cards goes on sale today.

If people buy it, the game could be irreparably destroyed.

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MedeaLysistrata
11/28/22 9:47:14 AM
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Isn't that good for Flesh and Blood?

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Alucard188
11/28/22 9:48:46 AM
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Oh, the good MTG. I was about to be less sad for a bit.

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bluezero
11/28/22 9:49:05 AM
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I hope [redacted]

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Solid_Sonic
11/28/22 9:51:03 AM
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Remember when that defunct online crypto exchange used to be a Magic the Gathering exchange website? Good times.

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WingsOfGood
11/28/22 9:51:54 AM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
Isn't that good for Flesh and Blood?

Could be. Could not be.

What makes you think I dislike MTG ?
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WingsOfGood
11/28/22 9:52:17 AM
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Solid_Sonic posted...
Remember when that defunct online crypto exchange used to be a Magic the Gathering exchange website? Good times.

wait what?
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Solid_Sonic
11/28/22 9:54:50 AM
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Look up the history of Mt. Gox (which originally stood for "Magic: the Gathering Online Exchange" prior to becoming a crypto broker).

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Crimsoness
11/28/22 9:59:04 AM
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We can only hope

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MedeaLysistrata
11/28/22 10:01:37 AM
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WingsOfGood posted...
Could be. Could not be.

What makes you think I dislike MTG ?
I just thought you liked F&B more

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MJOLNRVII
11/28/22 10:01:39 AM
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The sad thing is that I bet this $1K pack of fake cards is still gonna make them money.

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Shotgunnova
11/28/22 10:03:19 AM
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Hasbro taking a hit in any way, shape, or form would please me.

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WingsOfGood
11/28/22 10:04:04 AM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
I just thought you liked F&B more

The games are quite different. Both can and should exist simultaneously. It would not be incorrect to say what Hasbro has been doing lately makes FaB look much much more desirable and better managed. But MTG doesn't have to be that way.... it is just how Hasbro is currently ruining it...
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WingsOfGood
11/28/22 10:04:39 AM
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Shotgunnova posted...
Hasbro taking a hit in any way, shape, or form would please me.


They already deleted tons of shareholder value. kek.
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Verdekal
11/28/22 10:09:46 AM
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[Thoughtful emoji]

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ZevLoveDOOM
11/28/22 10:10:13 AM
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i see what you did there...
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ZangsBeard
11/28/22 10:11:27 AM
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Fake cards?

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SodomInsane
11/28/22 10:12:30 AM
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ZevLoveDOOM posted...
i see what you did there...


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R_Jackal
11/28/22 10:14:01 AM
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A bit overblown, it's marketed towards people with enough money to blow on it basically, though it is annoying.
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Questionmarktarius
11/28/22 10:14:04 AM
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ZangsBeard
11/28/22 10:15:55 AM
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R_Jackal posted...
A bit overblown, it's marketed towards people with enough money to blow on it basically, though it is annoying.

marketed toward people who can afford it. Otherwise known as marketed toward anyone that can make thr credit card transaction clear

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R_Jackal
11/28/22 10:18:56 AM
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ZangsBeard posted...
marketed toward people who can afford it. Otherwise known as marketed toward anyone that can make thr credit card transaction clear
I mean if you want to be stupid with your money, yeah.
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ZangsBeard
11/28/22 10:20:50 AM
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R_Jackal posted...
I mean if you want to be stupid with your money, yeah.

Thats why its predatory... they want people to be stupid with money because they want their money.

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Questionmarktarius
11/28/22 10:22:08 AM
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ZangsBeard posted...
Thats why its predatory... they want people to be stupid with money because they want their money.
This is meant for the "unboxers", who can be stupid with money because they have an audience who is stupid with money.
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ZangsBeard
11/28/22 10:22:52 AM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
This is meant for the "unboxers", who can be stupid with money because they have an audience who is stupid with money.

No. Thats how theyre marketing it. If you think they dont want as many people to buy it youre deluding yourself to how capitalism works.

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Questionmarktarius
11/28/22 10:24:29 AM
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ZangsBeard posted...
If you think they dont want as many people to buy it youre deluding yourself to how capitalism works.
That's what Hasbro wants, but making them useless for actual gameplay means it's relegated to "influencers".
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EmbraceOfDeath
11/28/22 10:49:20 AM
#27:


WingsOfGood posted...
The $999.99 for 4 packs of fake cards goes on sale today.

If people buy it, the game could be irreparably destroyed.
Lol no. Don't be dramatic. A few whales buying this isn't going to affect anything.

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CARRRNE_ASADA
11/28/22 10:51:44 AM
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Lol I saw the ads for it here. It will sell out anyway. Question is who will buy it and at what point will wizards will pull the sale if if it doesnt meet their projections. After all cant have an "uber limited" pack stay available for long. Gotta create that FOMO and justify the price.

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Questionmarktarius
11/28/22 10:55:19 AM
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CARRRNE_ASADA posted...
After all cant have an "uber limited" pack stay available for long.
Hasbro already manufactured these months ago. The only real question is whether or not unsold stock will have a fire-sale, and how deep it gets discounted.
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Medussa
11/28/22 11:02:23 AM
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even if they do, it'd likely be directly to SCG, and no one will ever know just how low it actually went.

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CARRRNE_ASADA
11/28/22 11:18:12 AM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Hasbro already manufactured these months ago. The only real question is whether or not unsold stock will have a fire-sale, and how deep it gets discounted.


Nah. They rather burn it. If they do that, they wont be able to ever again sell a product like this. And also at what discounted price would this even be worth it? Cause even at 500 its stupid crap. Even at 200 and 100. The og collectors edition was sold at 50 bucks and it contained ALL cards from Beta.

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ellis123
11/28/22 11:24:46 AM
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CARRRNE_ASADA posted...
Nah. They rather burn it. If they do that, they wont be able to ever again sell a product like this. And also at what discounted price would this even be worth it? Cause even at 500 its stupid crap. Even at 200 and 100. The og collectors edition was sold at 50 bucks and it contained ALL cards from Beta.
You are right that they won't discount them, but they won't just destroy them either. They will bundle them into other products, specifically some level of Secret Lair, as a bonus. They will not "dilute" the brand by lowering the price (though saying it as if the 30th proxies are even slightly something that can be diluted is a bit silly due to just how hated they are...) but Wizards just doesn't destroy product in that fashion. They sit on it for a longer period and if it can sell they'll do that and otherwise they'll give them out. Heck, I could see them throwing them into normal packs ala what they've done with ABU/Legends cards and acting like it's a big deal that you might get a proxy Black Lotus in a pack.

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s0nicfan
11/28/22 11:48:28 AM
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I'm all for it, mostly because the community has historically been incredibly snobbish about people using card proxies, and to that I say fuck em all. Ruin the card market with ridiculous $1000 booster packs so whales can get their reprint black lotus and drive the whole community to forcefully accept proxies in gameplay in general and get over themselves. I'll laugh as I play my $1 proxy of a $300 card while someone else bitches about MTG being "ruined" because their resale binder previously worth hundreds or thousands of dollars is now worthless.

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R_Jackal
11/28/22 11:57:43 AM
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ZangsBeard posted...
Thats why its predatory... they want people to be stupid with money because they want their money.
Honestly? If people are dumb enough to gamble on stuff like this or fall for it in general it's entirely on them. I'm all for companies taking responsibility, but there's a limit where the people buying having to be responsible too.

I say this as someone who's been playing MTG for... Shit, a long time. Too long honestly.

I could buy one of these but honestly I know they're just collectibles by and large and I don't much care for it.
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well-excuse-me
11/28/22 12:18:04 PM
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Is F&B fun? I read a synopsis of sorts on their sub and it says players start full-strength. Idk what that means but it sounds both intriguing and removing a lot of the luck of the draw
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ellis123
11/28/22 12:30:43 PM
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well-excuse-me posted...
Is F&B fun? I read a synopsis of sorts on their sub and it says players start full-strength. Idk what that means but it sounds both intriguing and removing a lot of the luck of the draw
Ye, it's pretty good. It is more one of the "hero games" sort of like with Hearthstone/WoW TCG (or EDH) so the game-feel is pretty different, but if you're into that sort of game it does a good job.

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WingsOfGood
11/28/22 12:48:11 PM
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out of stock

either consumers are gullible fools (well they are tbh but hoped people not THIS dumb)

or

Hasbro decided to artificially out of stock it because they can lmao
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ellis123
11/28/22 12:53:03 PM
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Lol, considering they re-upped the Philadelphia SL I have a strong inkling it is the latter.

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Medussa
11/28/22 1:04:07 PM
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someone in the reddit thread said that there haven't been many people complaining that they couldn't get it, unlike the recent SL, or the old mythic edition drops. which suggests a time limit rather than a stock limit.

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WingsOfGood
11/28/22 1:11:34 PM
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well-excuse-me posted...
Is F&B fun? I read a synopsis of sorts on their sub and it says players start full-strength. Idk what that means but it sounds both intriguing and removing a lot of the luck of the draw

You don't build up a hand or a mana base.

You basically start the game at your peak unless your are combo deck of course. Through the course of the game you use equipment that starts out on your board to defend and do other stuff.

At the end of every turn you draw up to 4 cards.

It also tries to be hero duking it out against other hero like a fist fight or sword fight or wizard battle etc.
Like MTG is all about summoning creatures or pulling off some big explosion or like controlling your enemy.
Flesh and Blood plays differently so far. Though there is currently a hero who sorta summons creatures as it were but it is kinda different.
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CARRRNE_ASADA
11/28/22 1:18:56 PM
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https://twitter.com/wizards_magic/status/1597284108228755456

Lmao people replying with the greed card to the "sold out" post. I did my part

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CARRRNE_ASADA
11/28/22 1:21:50 PM
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You know I actually like the FF TCG. Its fun and slightly more simple than MTG. Just got some cards from the first 2 sets, but would keep buying if there was a big scene for it.

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Haejin
11/28/22 1:23:13 PM
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I mean aren't they sold as pure collector's edition for an anniversy set? I don't have a problem with that, it's not like players can use these cards in tournaments or whatever.

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CARRRNE_ASADA
11/28/22 1:25:36 PM
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Haejin posted...
I mean aren't they sold as pure collector's edition for an anniversy set? I don't have a problem with that, it's not like players can use these cards in tournaments or whatever.


The first collectors edition was 49.99 for nearly 300 cards including all of the expensive cards...bc why the hell not theyre not legal, real cards. Now this is just THE SAME THING with just random 60 cards for 1,000 dollars. Its the principle of it thats offensive. Also its called 30th anniversary. This is how theyre celbrating the game and the fanbase...by ripping them off.

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RchHomieQuanChi
11/28/22 1:27:03 PM
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I'm not going to say the thoughts I had heading into this topic

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ellis123
11/28/22 1:47:31 PM
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CARRRNE_ASADA posted...
You know I actually like the FF TCG. Its fun and slightly more simple than MTG. Just got some cards from the first 2 sets, but would keep buying if there was a big scene for it.
It's amazingly fun, but Square is probably the most incompetent developer I have seen when it comes down to the game and it basically killed the game outside of Japan. Back when Opus 1 was the only thing available they basically produced no cards period which lead to all stocks instantly drying up. This continued into Opus 2, with them having a slightly larger beginning run but still not allowing people to actually play the game. By about this time almost every card store just dropped any pretense that they would actually host events because people literally could not put a deck together. Like, I was the only person out of the group I was with that even managed to get something together and even then it was very much in the "I was able to do so because I wasn't trying to make anything even slightly meta" category. Opus 3 rolled around and then they just flooded the market (and not just Opus 3 stuffs, they went back and did enormous printings of 1 and 2 as well) but the damage had been done and the game was all but dead in the grand scheme of things. You can still find people that play it if you really get down to the ground, but by and large the game is just a bit above "dead" status and only because it is popular enough in Japan that they still produce cards + the collectors outside of Japan are enough to keep print-runs going (there is a very non-trivial amount of people who go for full foil sets in America at least). Hence why there are a lot of cards that technically should be extremely expensive but aren't: they aren't characters that are popular and thus have no one buying the cards. A good example of this is Opus 1's Minwu. In a game with an active player-base a card that hoses decks that hard goes up in value over time, but because the only people buying cards are doing so for the collector-value the top slots are made up of popular characters (Cloud -> Tidus -> Valefor -> Shantotto -> Sephiroth -> Squall are the top slots for price) or cards that are extremely "hard" to get a hold of (Zangan is just above Shan for price and was only available in a short print-run starter deck). You can also see this with its rarity = price dichotomy as the only card that actually breaks the mold for this whole thing is Ovelia, who both comes from a popular FF and is a defining feature of an entire archetype.

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WingsOfGood
11/28/22 1:50:50 PM
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ellis123 posted...
It's amazingly fun, but Square is probably the most incompetent developer I have seen when it comes down to the game and it basically killed the game outside of Japan. Back when Opus 1 was the only thing available they basically produced no cards period which lead to all stocks instantly drying up. This continued into Opus 2, with them having a slightly larger beginning run but still not allowing people to actually play the game. By about this time almost every card store just dropped any pretense that they would actually host events because people literally could not put a deck together. Like, I was the only person out of the group I was with that even managed to get something together and even then it was very much in the "I was able to do so because I wasn't trying to make anything even slightly meta" category. Opus 3 rolled around and then they just flooded the market (and not just Opus 3 stuffs, they went back and did enormous printings of 1 and 2 as well) but the damage had been done and the game was all but dead in the grand scheme of things. You can still find people that play it if you really get down to the ground, but by and large the game is just a bit above "dead" status and only because it is popular enough in Japan that they still produce cards + the collectors outside of Japan are enough to keep print-runs going (there is a very non-trivial amount of people who go for full foil sets in America at least). Hence why there are a lot of cards that technically should be extremely expensive but aren't: they aren't characters that are popular and thus have no one buying the cards. A good example of this is Opus 1's Minwu. In a game with an active player-base a card that hoses decks that hard goes up in value over time, but because the only people buying cards are doing so for the collector-value the top slots are made up of popular characters (Cloud -> Tidus -> Valefor -> Shantotto -> Sephiroth -> Squall are the top slots for price) or cards that are extremely "hard" to get a hold of (Zangan is just above Shan for price and was only available in a short print-run starter deck). You can also see this with its rarity = price dichotomy as the only card that actually breaks the mold for this whole thing is Ovelia, who both comes from a popular FF and is a defining feature of an entire archetype.

is there way to differentiate between a fake FFTCG card an a real one?

their boxes also don't have special seals....
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ellis123
11/28/22 1:53:41 PM
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WingsOfGood posted...
is there way to differentiate between a fake FFTCG card an a real one?

their boxes also don't have special seals....
The cards are extremely high quality. For 80-90% of cards it would be cheaper to buy the official product and for the rest it would be extremely hard to replicate them. You could do the traditional "write the card on some paper" proxy, but all-in-all most people outside of small groups of friends want to see something that at least a reasonable proxy.

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CARRRNE_ASADA
11/28/22 2:48:57 PM
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ellis123 posted...
It's amazingly fun, but Square is probably the most incompetent developer I have seen when it comes down to the game and it basically killed the game outside of Japan. Back when Opus 1 was the only thing available they basically produced no cards period which lead to all stocks instantly drying up. This continued into Opus 2, with them having a slightly larger beginning run but still not allowing people to actually play the game. By about this time almost every card store just dropped any pretense that they would actually host events because people literally could not put a deck together. Like, I was the only person out of the group I was with that even managed to get something together and even then it was very much in the "I was able to do so because I wasn't trying to make anything even slightly meta" category. Opus 3 rolled around and then they just flooded the market (and not just Opus 3 stuffs, they went back and did enormous printings of 1 and 2 as well) but the damage had been done and the game was all but dead in the grand scheme of things. You can still find people that play it if you really get down to the ground, but by and large the game is just a bit above "dead" status and only because it is popular enough in Japan that they still produce cards + the collectors outside of Japan are enough to keep print-runs going (there is a very non-trivial amount of people who go for full foil sets in America at least). Hence why there are a lot of cards that technically should be extremely expensive but aren't: they aren't characters that are popular and thus have no one buying the cards. A good example of this is Opus 1's Minwu. In a game with an active player-base a card that hoses decks that hard goes up in value over time, but because the only people buying cards are doing so for the collector-value the top slots are made up of popular characters (Cloud -> Tidus -> Valefor -> Shantotto -> Sephiroth -> Squall are the top slots for price) or cards that are extremely "hard" to get a hold of (Zangan is just above Shan for price and was only available in a short print-run starter deck). You can also see this with its rarity = price dichotomy as the only card that actually breaks the mold for this whole thing is Ovelia, who both comes from a popular FF and is a defining feature of an entire archetype.

I actually participated in a tourney and lost badly cause my deck was a slightly modified FFX started deck from opus i, while these people were playing meta and I was struggling to find cards. And thats what killed it for me. Either there were hardcore players or noobs with little to no access.

Butyeah, youd think with a brand as big as FF which has more than 80% overlap with people who are into anime and some ccgs, that this wouldve been at least a mild success and able to grow. Maybe if rebirth and XVI are big hits it could help it


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well-excuse-me
11/28/22 3:00:33 PM
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Lmfao so many Greed card replies
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