Board 8 > CBS Reality Topic 4: The Titanic sunk, so Survivor 43 + TAR34 are back-to-back!

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wg64Z posted...

Karla's stock for me absolutely nose dived in these past 2-3 episodes. No doubt she poisoned the Jury against Cass in pure butthurt.

Nope. Try again

I mean...she literally said that was what she was going to do.

Even if it was purely out of spite, I'd say it disqualifies Cassidy anyway, because she managed to burn someone she'd been in an alliance with since Day 1 so badly that Karla tried to turn the jury against her. Jesse didn't do that and his blindside of Cody was way more savage than that.

Here is the current high -> low of torch prices on the bidding, just to give a glimpse into the immediate fan reaction to this cast:
Gabler > Noelle > Jesse > Cassidy > Cody > Sami > Owen > Lindsay > Justine > James > Karla > Ryan > Jeanine > Elie > Nneka > Geo > Morriah > Dwight

Surprised Karla's so low. Lindsay's pretty high too, but I guess the torch of a triple threat would be in demand.

I kinda feel like Gabler is the Josh Martinez winner of Survivor - he was a volatile personality early on that nobody took seriously as a player, then went under the radar by latching onto stronger players, and ultimately made it to the end and despite everything, qualified his game and even got jury votes from people who previously had little/no respect for him.

Obviously the big difference is that Josh went up against a big polarizing player that half the jury worshipped and the other half despised, while Gabler's jury just kinda "meh"d his opponents.

Mewtwo59 posted...

Surprised Karla's so low. Lindsay's pretty high too, but I guess the torch of a triple threat would be in demand.

Might be Lindsay herself vs. someone who really liked her.

Jeanine is low. Justine's only so high because she's hot. The top 5 are unsurprising.

At least Jeff seems excited for S44. Word on the street was that he and the rest of production were disappointed with S43 and I think the fans agree. The last time I remember distinctly hearing that Jeff and production were this unhappy with a season was Nicaragua, which also had ho-hum gameplay and a WTF winner.

S43 was blah, though I expect we'll see Noelle and Cody or Jesse again for sure. I wouldn't say the gameplay was "ho-hum" but the character arcs sure were. Nicaragua is a good comparison to some effect, but that season was sated with bad passive players (that made it hard to watch, since unlike Gabon they were passive) while S43 had good players, but only a select few truly great moves (courtesy of Jesse and Noelle) because most everything was "typical." I blame production for making the show the way it is now for why S43 was mostly boring.

I think production expected more from this cast but I think they needed a few recruits to get the gamebots to go haywire. It was instead standard fare and this unexciting. They need to change parts of the show to make them work again.

Main thing I remember with Nicaragua (other than how bad it was) was the 3 best characters were first three out at the merge

(Alina <3)

Nicaragua cast felt like it was trying to bring back the nostalgia of the 80s

i blame the fashion sense of the old people tribe

i never thought we'd see the day where i said i wanted more recruits

be careful what you wish for, i guess.

Dels posted...

i never thought we'd see the day where i said i wanted more recruits

be careful what you wish for, i guess.

Pretty sure I've always said that I waited fewer recruits, but still enough to have a balance. Fans vs. clueless recruits is one aspect of diversity that people often forget about. I believe I've gone on record saying "throw in a few recruits for personality" or something to that effect.

Having nearly entire casts populated by recruits is bad (Cook Islands and One World come to mind). But all fans like this season is also bad.

Recruits are hit-or-miss. The most obvious case is Fiji, which was all recruits (barring Papa Smurf) and had a very top-heavy cast.

I feel like 29 was mostly recruits? No one on that season had any clue what they were doing. I remember judging it for that at the time because I wanted more game savvy players, but in retrospect it was one of the last seasons before the all-superfans era started to take over and I kinda miss it.

They could also use some applicants that aren't superfans but apply for other reasons, like, a friend tells them they should be on the show (Matthew von Erfelda), they think they're built for something like this (Joel Anderson), or even just to prove they can get cast (Willard).

MartinFF7 posted...

Main thing I remember with Nicaragua (other than how bad it was) was the 3 best characters were first three out at the merge

(Alina <3)

posting for Alina

What about Gabon? Randy applied, but no one else seemed to know what they were doing.

Gillian was also an applicant (and, like Randy, one who finally got on after many attempts) and she had NO CLUE how to play lol

Susie applied. Randy actually knew who she was from Survivor forums they both frequented.

Apparently Jesse, Owen and Ryan got the Sia awards this season, and Sia herself is personally campaigning to Jeff to get Jesse on the next returnee season.

Underleveled posted...

Apparently Jesse, Owen and Ryan got the Sia awards this season, and Sia herself is personally campaigning to Jeff to get Jesse on the next returnee season.

I don't know why she needs to do that. Jesse is practically a lock to get an invite. As are Noelle and Cody. Karla is likely to be in the mix too.

On an individual basis, Vesi ended up being the best tribe this season.

I'm surprised Noelle didn't get one.

Mewtwo59 posted...

I'm surprised Noelle didn't get one.

Me too. One of the few to actually show some personality and the one to come up with a brilliant, innovative gambit using the vote steal to smokescreen the Knowledge Is Power. Her story is also inspiring - losing a leg and coming back and being a badass is awesome. And she's hot, despite what some people say about the leg.

She should have gotten at least something. But still, at least Sia made better choices than last season.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

the one to come up with a brilliant, innovative gambit using the vote steal to smokescreen the Knowledge Is Power.

Definitely irrelevant to the sia award unfortunately

BlueCrystalTear posted...

I don't know why she needs to do that. Jesse is practically a lock to get an invite. As are Noelle and Cody. Karla is likely to be in the mix too.

If they ever do a rivals season, I could see Gabler and Ellie being put on that.

Australian survivor HvV airs Jan 30

half the cast is returning players which is uh, interesting to say the least

the whole top 3 of brains vs brawn is why

love me some shonee tho

Half are returning? How do you do HvV without 100% returning? How would one know a new person is heroic or villainous...

Edit: ah disregard I guess people can self-label beforehand, but still.

MartinFF7 posted...

Half are returning? How do you do HvV without 100% returning? How would one know a new person is heroic or villainous...

The knew the Heroes tribe on Heroes vs Hustlers vs Healers were heroic before they even saw them play!

In hero jobs though, not heroic in the game!

theyre reaching pretty hard for villainous professions given that they have 2 journalists and 2 people in marketing lol (though one of the journalists was apparently a villain on a season of real housewives)

heroes make more sense

I haven't watched Australian past the second season, might finally catch up this year. But doing a HvV season with only half returnees sounds very odd, not to mention half-returnee seasons are just a bad concept anyway.

So does that mean each tribe is 5 returnees and 5 newbies? At least that'd be a way to do the format that we haven't seen before.

Dels posted...

So does that mean each tribe is 5 returnees and 5 newbies? At least that'd be a way to do the format that we haven't seen before.

6 and 6 on each tribe, 24 person game

ah right, i forgot australian seasons are massive

I just hope that the editors stop making it so bloody obvious who wins Aus Survivor.

the last 2 seasons have had immediately obvious winners as of ep1

that's good to know because i think i've been spoiled on some winners (i mean there are some names i recall seeing mentioned though i tried to gloss over it) so if they're obvious then its not a spoiler

that's odd though because the first two seasons were totally unpredictable. i did hear the editing got worse and that they somehow continue to have characters with no screentime despite their extra-length episodes and seasons

the editing was mostly fine until champions vs. contenders 2, and then afterwards its gotten a lot worse. its gotten far more imbalanced and its apparently the network making the editing calls and not the showrunners.

in blood vs water the person who got voted out just before f3, who was a huge threat, was literally invis the first half of the season. something like 10/12 episodes with 0 confessionals or something ridiculous like that

but Aus survivor is notorious for giving 4th placers garbage edits for whatever reason

Chaeix posted...

but Aus survivor is notorious for giving half the cast garbage edits for whatever reason

FTFY

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Bump.

Any reports on Survivor UK from a reputable source?