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Dragon56
10/21/22 11:21:22 AM
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In America (perhaps better than any other country on Earth), hard work and good behavior will lead to a good job and a good life.

However, the idea that if you work harder than everyone else, no matter where you come from, you will succeed is being thrown out the window in place of a much worse mentality ... That "society is letting you down".

More than ever in recent history, bad behavior and a poor mentality is being pardoned. We are teaching our children that nothing is their fault.

If a crime is committed, it's because they had no other choice
If a student consistantly skips class, it's because the education system is failing them
If you are overweight, it's because of predisposed conditions.

There needs to be a middle ground, where we place a focus on the risk factors that lead to negative situations within society (which we do well) WHILE still preaching individual responsibility and the idea that if you work hard enough you will succeed (which we don't do well anymore).
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Shabriri
10/21/22 11:22:08 AM
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imo this topic is bad

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MedeaLysistrata
10/21/22 11:22:53 AM
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Ehh

Making 15 an hour is not a nice life. You can only be so responsible with that amnt.

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DespondentDeity
10/21/22 11:23:09 AM
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Sorry we have self respect

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Giant_Aspirin
10/21/22 11:23:15 AM
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shut the fuck up

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untrustful
10/21/22 11:23:18 AM
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hard work and good behavior will lead to a good job and a good life

Oh damn, you can guarantee that? Ok, I will do it, but if it doesn't work out I'm calling you out.

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Dragon56
10/21/22 11:24:22 AM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
Making 15 an hour is not a nice life. You can only be so responsible with that amnt.
I haven't seen a 15 an hour job in a while. Even fast food joints are paying more.

untrustful posted...
Oh damn, you can guarantee that? Ok, I will do it, but if it doesn't work out I'm calling you out.
Can't guarantee it. Not in any country. But the chances are higher in America.
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untrustful
10/21/22 11:26:16 AM
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Dragon56 posted...
Can't guarantee it. Not in any country. But the chances are higher in America.
Oh so then when you said:
hard work and good behavior will lead to a good job and a good life.
what you really meant to say was:
hard work and good behavior will likely lead to a good job and a good life.

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Dragon56
10/21/22 11:27:18 AM
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In America (perhaps better than any other country on Earth), hard work and good behavior will lead to a good job and a good life.

I was hoping the bolded line and common sense would indicate there are no guarantees in this life.
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MedeaLysistrata
10/21/22 11:27:26 AM
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Dragon56 posted...
I haven't seen a 15 an hour job in a while. Even fast food joints are paying more.
But you do agree that it's easier to be responsible when you have money?

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Dragon56
10/21/22 11:28:44 AM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
But you do agree that it's easier to be responsible when you have money?
How the individual was raised is the biggest determining factor of responsibility.
It's less stressful when you have money, that's for sure.
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RenescoStCewl
10/21/22 11:28:45 AM
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Dragon56 posted...
In America (perhaps better than any other country on Earth), hard work and good behavior will lead to a good job and a good life.

Lol what? There are people working mutiple jobs that are still poor. Also one hospital visit can bankrupt most Americans.


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untrustful
10/21/22 11:29:14 AM
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Dragon56 posted...
I was hoping the bolded line and common sense would indicate there are no guarantees in this life.
The bolded section doesn't really indicate there's a chance of failure, the bolded section indicates the possibility other countries are on a similar level to the US.

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MedeaLysistrata
10/21/22 11:29:34 AM
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Dragon56 posted...
How the individual was raised is the biggest determining factor of responsibility.
It's less stressful when you have money, that's for sure.
Would you not agree the state is a higher level of analysis than the individual?

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MedeaLysistrata
10/21/22 11:30:26 AM
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It's global, but women aren't being hit as hard... it is a mystery

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GrandConjuraton
10/21/22 11:30:27 AM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
shut the fuck up


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Giant_Aspirin
10/21/22 11:30:54 AM
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Dragon56 posted...
I was hoping the bolded line and common sense would indicate there are no guarantees in this life.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/09/social-mobility-upwards-decline-usa-us-america-economics/

social mobility has been steadily declining in the US, as the profits of the 1% increase. the rich have a stranglehold on this country and it's only getting worse as time goes on. the language used in the OP is the same type of bullshit used by the folks responsible for this.

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Kloe_Rinz
10/21/22 11:32:18 AM
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Dragon56 posted...
In America (perhaps better than any other country on Earth), hard work and good behavior will lead to a good job and a good life.

However, the idea that if you work harder than everyone else, no matter where you come from, you will succeed is being thrown out the window in place of a much worse mentality ... That "society is letting you down".

More than ever in recent history, bad behavior and a poor mentality is being pardoned. We are teaching our children that nothing is their fault.

If a crime is committed, it's because they had no other choice
If a student consistantly skips class, it's because the education system is failing them
If you are overweight, it's because of predisposed conditions.

There needs to be a middle ground, where we place a focus on the risk factors that lead to negative situations within society (which we do well) WHILE still preaching individual responsibility and the idea that if you work hard enough you will succeed (which we don't do well anymore).
you cant just say trash like this and expect it to justify not helping those in need
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meestermj
10/21/22 11:36:47 AM
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This topic is the most boomer nonsense I've seen in a while.

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TheGoldenEel
10/21/22 11:38:56 AM
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I dont understand socioeconomics the topic

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ZMythos
10/21/22 11:40:22 AM
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Dragon56 posted...
In America (perhaps better than any other country on Earth), hard work and good behavior will lead to a good job and a good life.
That's a fucking lie.

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ZMythos
10/21/22 11:41:59 AM
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Janitors, service workers, factory workers, and trash collectors work harder than any white-collar worker and a majority are lower class.


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Psuedo_Audacity
10/21/22 11:42:33 AM
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Yeah, social mobility in the US is pretty low, and always has been, because of the shitty social support systems in place.

This whole "us is a land of opportunity, if you just work hard" has always been propaganda.
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Giant_Aspirin
10/21/22 11:42:43 AM
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TheGoldenEel posted...
I dont understand socioeconomics the topic

aka "Conservative bullshit 101" the topic

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Doom_Art
10/21/22 11:49:28 AM
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Dragon56 posted...
hard work and good behavior will lead to a good job and a good life.
Nope

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tripleh213
10/21/22 11:51:37 AM
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Shabriri posted...
imo this topic is bad


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KINDERFELD
10/21/22 11:51:58 AM
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tc please STFU

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Master_Bass
10/21/22 11:53:04 AM
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Dragon56 posted...
In America (perhaps better than any other country on Earth), hard work and good behavior will lead to a good job and a good life.
Lmao, good one.

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MegaCamerupt
10/21/22 11:53:44 AM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
shut the fuck up

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ChildOfHades
10/21/22 11:55:25 AM
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Tag checks out.
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AzNDarkSamurai
10/21/22 11:59:14 AM
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ZMythos posted...
Janitors, service workers, factory workers, and trash collectors work harder than any white-collar worker and a majority are lower class.

this. hell white collar work is so easy that some people dont even consider it real work

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Unsuprised_Pika
10/21/22 11:59:24 AM
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"If a crime is committed, it's because they had no other choice"

That one is horseshit that is definitely not even close to being the predominant mindset.

Also this topic is fucking trash.

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Bishop9800
10/21/22 12:00:50 PM
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ZMythos posted...
Janitors, service workers, factory workers, and trash collectors work harder than any white-collar worker and a majority are lower class.


In fact when we were in lock down, they was the ones who kept the country running.

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RchHomieQuanChi
10/21/22 12:08:06 PM
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"Individual responsibility" only goes so far when there are systematic barriers preventing upwards mobility for many groups of people.

We can't exactly preach the merits of "individual responsibility" when parts of our system are literally designed to keep the poor poor.

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Jiek_Fafn
10/21/22 12:10:25 PM
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If you work harder than anyone and are overall exceptional, you too can live a middle class lifestyle!

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lennethsoki
10/21/22 12:16:46 PM
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Yeah you've got a bunch of adults with failed dreams putting blame on everyone else for their screwups, when they could get farther in their life if they put in effort.

It's only 99% luck if you do absolutely nothing to change it. Put in the effort, and you can drastically reduce that percentage.

It's like wannabe writers or artists who don't put in the work to promote their projects. Some wanna publish a book, but they just spend their time NOT entering writing contests, going out of their way to meet and speak with current/former agents, get reviewed, etc. and instead spend their days smoking pot and complaining that they were dealt a bad hand at getting somewhere with their goals.

... Like, no shit you're not getting anywhere, and you have NO ONE to blame but yourself.
So glad I broke out of that brainwashed and victimized mindset.

I know a few people who COULD have done more with their lives, but they chose not to. And they blame the system.
It's pathetic how little accountability people have nowadays. And given my age, I shouldn't even be one of the ones saying it.

Look at all the failed dreams here on CE for proof. They'll blame others, but they'll conveniently leave out the part of being a lazy ass and not working towards their goals when they could have been.

The USA is indeed the land of opportunity, but its citizens are too complacent to take advantage of those avenues like foreigners do: it's one of the things that makes the USA so appealing to prospective immigrants in the first place.

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MedeaLysistrata
10/21/22 12:17:20 PM
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Some people are just broken.

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DoesntMatter
10/21/22 12:18:04 PM
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lennethsoki posted...
Yeah you've got a bunch of adults with failed dreams putting blame on everyone else for their screwups
yeah totally, the dream of being able to make a living wage, and the screwup of thinking that America is the land of opportunity

fuck outta here with this bullshit

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RchHomieQuanChi
10/21/22 12:19:05 PM
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"The land of opportunity", where education is seen as a privilege and not a right.

Yeah, okay.

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meestermj
10/21/22 12:21:55 PM
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lennethsoki posted...
The USA is indeed the land of opportunity, but its citizens are too complacent to take advantage of those avenues like foreigners do: it's one of the things that makes the USA so appealing to prospective immigrants in the first place.
That's why we see so many very wealthy immigrants right?
Right?
We definitely don't have a hefty population of immigrants that are lower middle class and lower, all the way down to below the poverty line?
There definitely aren't people sleeping 2+ people to a room just to make bills right?

Fucking joke post.

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Shabriri
10/21/22 12:38:43 PM
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that lenn fella came into a vent thread i made about my friend trying to flee his country, and just dumped walls of text about how it aint gonna work

so

he's that type a fella

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RenescoStCewl
10/21/22 12:54:17 PM
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Shabriri posted...
that lenn fella came into a vent thread i made about my friend trying to flee his country, and just dumped walls of text about how it aint gonna work

so

he's that type a fella
He also a kiwifarms member

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Antifar
10/21/22 1:04:34 PM
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Topic's not great

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emblem-man
10/21/22 1:50:32 PM
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Dragon56 posted...
There needs to be a middle ground, where we place a focus on the risk factors that lead to negative situations within society (which we do well) WHILE still preaching individual responsibility and the idea that if you work hard enough you will succeed


I mean...in general we do acknowledge that middle ground.
Being aware of structural issues that hold people down is not in conflict with the idea that personal agency matters.

Most people you talk to will probably agree with that.

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Zero_Destroyer
10/21/22 2:03:20 PM
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I believe working hard is a virtue, but acting as though it's a free ticket and extenuating circumstances aren't pummeling America is absurd. OP, I know you're getting pretty relentlessly disregarded here, but let me put it this way;

Americans were told by a generation of people who paid 1/30th for things like college & living that "just work hard" was the solution. Yet still, wages decline, prices increase, debt increases, and the middle class shrinks.

Let's say you are an economic advisor and your solution is "work harder" and after 30 years it's clear that the suggestion you are putting forward isn't working. You'd be fired. You wouldn't be kept on by anybody actually looking to fix the issues at hand because the reality is the issues need more repair than individual work.

Here's the fact of the matter: The people saying "you will succeed if you work hard enough" typically have safety nets. They are often rich or at least in a stable position with connections or family to provide support if things go south. What I've just described does not describe most of impoverished America. It doesn't describe much of rural America, it doesn't describe much of urban America, it really only describes chunks of suburban America that are rapidly being beaten down by a lack of financial stability.

You can preach that hard work is a virtue, but telling people to break a brick wall by slamming their face into it is just fucking silly.


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