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This sounds like a miserable way to live.

I mean, that's what the conservative mindset is. "I had to suffer and struggle (in my mind), so everyone else needs to too"

That's how I live. If I can't be happy no one else fucking will.

People smiling at me when all I can think about is the piles of work that need to get done get the middle finger from me. This world is fucking shit and if you try to gloss over it by being cheerful and positive then you're delusional and making life harder for all of us living with our eyes open because now we have to take time out of our lousy day to explain to you what a terrible state society is in so you actually come off your high horse.

Except it literally is. And then theres joining the military and getting the GI Bill, which is another choice.

Except it literally is. And then theres joining the military and getting the GI Bill, which is another choice.

Again

"No good choices" is equivalent to "no choice".

You're just throwing out options for how people should let themselves be taken advantage of and act like they should be ok with it.

lmfao surely you're joking right?

I mean you could just be a prostitute and pay for college as well. What's the big deal guys?!

But this is also why I think forgiveness is the wrong solution. Its like getting a cure for cancer but the cure only exists for month. People are just gonna get cancer again.

This is why this is such a hot topic. Not all states share the same culture. In Wisconsin, there are towns where the amount people who hold at least a bachelor's degree doesn't even hit double digits and people are still able to live their lives comfortably.

Thats illegal.

Thats illegal.

so this could be translated to "i was drowning in debt when i was in college so you should too!"

No good choices is equivalent to no choice at all.

The government subsidizes farmers. I don't see them complaining about that.

@Shadow_Don do you sincerely want all your food imported in the name of lower prices through capitalism?

I'm sure the doctors probably don't need the student loan bailout but teachers do.

This is true.

But this is also why I think forgiveness is the wrong solution. Its like getting a cure for cancer but the cure only exists for month. People are just gonna get cancer again.

Depends on the kind of doctor, there are a LOT of people who go into medicine to do pro bono work.

Do you want there to be teachers, lawyers, doctors, scientists, engineers, etc... ?

Point being that the government helps people who pick and choose different professions all the time. The only reason why this has become a big deal at all is because one political party in this country has decided that education is bad and has made that their platform and thats what they spew 24/7 on their propaganda outlets.

Thats a good point, thanks!

I'm guessing one of them is going to explain to me how maybe we should have less of those people going into a medical career because the debt is too high.

That's how I live. If I can't be happy no one else fucking will.

People smiling at me when all I can think about is the piles of work that need to get done get the middle finger from me. This world is fucking shit and if you try to gloss over it by being cheerful and positive then you're delusional and making life harder for all of us living with our eyes open because now we have to take time out of our lousy day to explain to you what a terrible state society is in so you actually come off your high horse.

Well obviously it's just a band aid to a larger problem, which is the predatory practices of student loans and college being fucking expensive and sometimes the investment is not enough to pay off the debt. It's however still a net positive to have loan forgiveness.

That's how I live. If I can't be happy no one else fucking will.

People smiling at me when all I can think about is the piles of work that need to get done get the middle finger from me. This world is fucking shit and if you try to gloss over it by being cheerful and positive then you're delusional and making life harder for all of us living with our eyes open because now we have to take time out of our lousy day to explain to you what a terrible state society is in so you actually come off your high horse.

Its not even related to the problem is the issue.

Its people who want to be bailed out taking advantage of a serious problem in the US. Which, to be clear, I have no issue with. Businesses get bailed out all the time.

But forgiving school loans does absolutely nothing to address the actual issue which, in your words, is predatory practices of student loans and college being fucking expensive. And everyone knows it but asks for it anyway.

I really hope you're just telling a really bad joke here, because if this is how you really feel you should seek professional help. And I don't mean that in a demeaning way, it's a very terrible way to look at life.

You're being bamboozled if you're labeling the republican party as the sole culprit.

Saying the government helps pick and chooses different professions all the time is a horrible way to compare one crisis they're actively fostering versus a more important goal of ensuring the country isn't fully dependent on food from other countries.

But forgiving school loans does absolutely nothing to address the actual issue which, in your words, is predatory practices of student loans and college being fucking expensive. And everyone knows it but asks for it anyway.

I read that and immediately thought it was a joke post. It's just too on the nose to be serious. But a lot of people are replying to it very seriously...

Find me one person who supports debt relief and also doesn't support reducing the costs of college or free college.

Nobody here is complaining about farmers getting subsidies. Im just saying that those people out in Wisconsin or wherever can pipe the f*** down if they are getting mad about debt relief for students.

I understand that farmers are the most essential of essential workers but that really doesn't matter. The point was that there are a lot of professions that require college degrees that are critically important to our society and its a bad idea to let those professions go into shortages because the debt crisis is too big.

Regarding the underlying problem of the expense of college, I just don't know where you think you are going to take this conversation.

Same logic with forgiveness. People are complaining about predatory practices. But the solution has nothing to do with fixing what the complaints are. So its hiding behind a legitimate issue to get a bailout.

What a lot of these people who have paid off their debts are failing to realize is that they are in all probabilities highly likely to be far more successful than the people who wait around to get government loan forgiveness.

That's how I live. If I can't be happy no one else fucking will.

People smiling at me when all I can think about is the piles of work that need to get done get the middle finger from me. This world is fucking shit and if you try to gloss over it by being cheerful and positive then you're delusional and making life harder for all of us living with our eyes open because now we have to take time out of our lousy day to explain to you what a terrible state society is in so you actually come off your high horse.

Your logic for this doesn't hold up at all. Refer back to my previous posts on why (tl;dr food production is a national necessity, going to college is not necessary for the majority of the populace). In addition, you can't use the "we need scientists, doctors, and engineers" as an excuse because most people who go to college don't get degrees with in the intention of going into those fields. These are by and large the ones that academic institutions have exploited to inflate the tuition prices. And as I mentioned before, the market for lawyers is saturated due to so many people finishing a degree but not knowing what they wanted to do with their lives.

Just because some of us are saying too many people are going to college doesn't mean we want no one to go to college.

This is why this is such a hot topic. Not all states share the same culture. In Wisconsin, there are towns where the amount people who hold at least a bachelor's degree doesn't even hit double digits and people are still able to live their lives comfortably. There towns and cities over the country with these kinds of cultures where it's not expected to go to college. To them, it was always a choice on whether to go to college or not and in their eyes, it's a waste a time for most people. As a result, they're up in arms over the prospect them having to pay for what they see as other people's flub ups.

And then people start earning their own money and buying their own s***. They hit a crossroad where they can continue to think "Yes, I have all of this, but others have less, and we should do something about it", and then others think "Wait, this stuff is MINE, why should I have to share what I earned on my own?".

You're getting way too hung up on the farmers and food industry thing. It's not necessary for the point at all. I just used that as one example of an industry we subsidize that I imagine is common in the community/culture you said are upset about student debt relief. I can find more.

What I said was that letting the student debt and college expense crisis continue could have consequences such as shortages in jobs that are critically important.

And quite frankly as a final point, I really don't give a f*** about peoples "feelings" relating to that matter. I don't care if they feel like its a slap to the face or they feel like they got spit on. f*** your feelings. All I care about is what is best for the economy and society.

And then people start earning their own money and buying their own s***. They hit a crossroad where they can continue to think "Yes, I have all of this, but others have less, and we should do something about it", and then others think "Wait, this stuff is MINE, why should I have to share what I earned on my own?".

Because I'm not a sociopathic asshole that doesn't realize that the government taking a little bit extra out in taxes and using it to fund programs designed for social benefit and mobility is better than the extra Big Mac meal I could have afforded if they hadn't.

Becoming an adult did nothing to dissuade my beliefs that a government should foremost exist to protect and nurture its citizenry.