Current Events > Alex Jones must pay $950 million to Sandy Hook Victim's Families

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Strider102
10/12/22 4:40:37 PM
#54:


Freedom of Speech doesn't give you the right to go to families that had their kids brutally murdered in school and say that they're paid actors, that none of it happened, and attacking the families that are in the middle of mourning what they lost while this guy sits in his studio making money.

Anyone who comes in saying "But mah freedom of speech!!!" Is a complete fucking moron.

I will now accept my warning for flaming.

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spikethedevil
10/12/22 4:40:48 PM
#55:


hyperpowder posted...
Blame Alex Jones and not the actual shooter or Americas gun problem. Feels like people are trying to cope by blaming Alex Jones weirdo conspiracy theorys and not addressing the root issue itself.

Just fuck off already.

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ZevLoveDOOM
10/12/22 4:41:42 PM
#56:


dayumn, ol' Alex is fucked now!

shouldn't have gone around spreading those bullshit theories fam!
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Flockaveli
10/12/22 4:41:47 PM
#57:


Congratulations on playing your stupid game. Enjoy your stupid prize.
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Heartomaton
10/12/22 4:41:47 PM
#58:


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/4/2/AAfEiLAADsde.jpg

Eat shit, ya lying fuck.

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spikethedevil
10/12/22 4:42:43 PM
#59:


Only warned despite tripling down? Really?

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RchHomieQuanChi
10/12/22 4:43:41 PM
#60:


Let this motherfucker live the rest of his life broke on the streets

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Jagr_68
10/12/22 4:44:07 PM
#61:


spikethedevil posted...
Only warned despite tripling down? Really?

Ridiculous a human being with absolutely ZERO empathy of this magnitude gets merely a warning for intentionally trolling on the subject.

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vegeta415
10/12/22 4:45:27 PM
#62:


Spoiler: trump judges find a way for it not to get paid
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spikethedevil
10/12/22 4:45:35 PM
#63:


Jagr_68 posted...
Ridiculous a human being with absolutely ZERO empathy of this magnitude gets merely a warning for intentionally trolling on the subject.

The mods have been stupidly lenient the last couple of days but this only being a warn is insane.

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Strider102
10/12/22 4:47:09 PM
#64:


Jagr_68 posted...
Ridiculous a human being with absolutely ZERO empathy of this magnitude gets merely a warning for intentionally trolling on the subject.

I'll probably get suspended or something for flaming lol

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CommonStar
10/12/22 4:50:38 PM
#65:


Good shit. I hope this opens the gates for those families to also go after other fuckers like Alex Jones who think they can just spread lies and threats.
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Strider102
10/12/22 4:52:11 PM
#66:


CommonStar posted...
Good shit. I hope this opens the gates for those families to also go after other fuckers like Alex Jones who think they can just spread lies and threats.

In a perfect world...

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Prestoff
10/12/22 4:52:45 PM
#67:


Strider102 posted...
I'll probably get suspended or something for flaming lol

I've said worst shit than your post, so I think you should be fine tbh.


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spikethedevil
10/12/22 4:54:43 PM
#68:


Prestoff posted...
I've said worst shit than your post, so I think you should be fine tbh.

The mods are on a weird one at the moment.

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TheMikh
10/12/22 5:01:20 PM
#69:


hyperpowder posted...
slander and libel shouldnt be a thing if you have true free speech

i understand where you're coming from, but there have always been pretty reasonable legal boundaries in the u.s. - clear and present danger, libel, slander in particular. jones crossed the line, provoked real harm against the claimants, and with that in mind the affected parties have the right to litigate accordingly.

however, the measures taken have been extraordinarily punitive and selective. it would be less concerning if all press outlets and public figures were liable to be sued into the ground for harming private citizens, but that is not the case.

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Kloe_Rinz
10/12/22 5:20:43 PM
#70:


TheMikh posted...
i understand where you're coming from, but there have always been pretty reasonable legal boundaries in the u.s. - clear and present danger, libel, slander in particular. jones crossed the line, provoked real harm against the claimants, and with that in mind the affected parties have the right to litigate accordingly.

however, the measures taken have been extraordinarily punitive and selective. it would be less concerning if all press outlets and public figures were liable to be sued into the ground for harming private citizens, but that is not the case.
Id be fine with all the other press outlets and all that getting excessive fines as well. 1 billion isnt enough for the larger ones though. We need to see executives behind bars. On that note, I disagree with the guy who said Alex should spend the rest of his life on the streets. He should be behind bars as well once every single cent has been squeezed out of him
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Tyranthraxus
10/12/22 5:20:51 PM
#71:


vegeta415 posted...
Spoiler: trump judges find a way for it not to get paid

Judges can't overturn a jury verdict unless constitutional rights were violated during the trial.

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legendary_zell
10/12/22 5:21:12 PM
#72:


TheMikh posted...
i understand where you're coming from, but there have always been pretty reasonable legal boundaries in the u.s. - clear and present danger, libel, slander in particular. jones crossed the line, provoked real harm against the claimants, and with that in mind the affected parties have the right to litigate accordingly.

however, the measures taken have been extraordinarily punitive and selective. it would be less concerning if all press outlets and public figures were liable to be sued into the ground for harming private citizens, but that is not the case.


Do you mean generally or in this specific case?

Damages are not limited to the worth of the defendant or the company. If you do more damage than you're worth, that's your problem.

The damages make sense when you consider the sensitive nature of the lies and conspiracy theories in this case, their public nature, the harassment they provoked, their extended and repeated nature, and the effect they surely had on the parents.

How much damage would you say being publicly harassed and told your dead kids are fake/crisis actors/still alive would do to you? The answer to that is likely an unquantifiably huge amount of damage. In our legal system, we translate emotional trauma into cash because that's the only thing our system understands.

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Lil_Bit83
10/12/22 5:21:56 PM
#73:


Good. I have no sympathy for him or the awful shit bags who follow him.

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Tyranthraxus
10/12/22 5:21:57 PM
#74:


Kloe_Rinz posted...
Id be fine with all the other press outlets and all that getting excessive fines as well. 1 billion isnt enough for the larger ones though

Infowars was the biggest one. Fox as shit as they are never said it didn't happen.

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Jiggy101011
10/12/22 5:25:00 PM
#75:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Robbie Parker: 120mil

David Wheeler: 55mil

Francine Wheeler: 54mil

Jacqueline Barden: 28.8mil

Mark Barden: 57.6mil

Nicole Hockley: 73.6mil

Ian Hockley: 81.6mil

Jennifer Hensel: 52mil

Donna Soto: 48mil

Carlee Soto Parisi: 66mil

Carlos Matthew Soto: 57.6mil

Jillian Soto Marino: 68mil

William Aldenberg: 90mil

Erica Lafferty: 76mil

William Sherlach: 36mil

How come some families get different amounts?

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CableZL
10/12/22 5:27:31 PM
#76:


Jiggy101011 posted...
How come some families get different amounts?
The jury was asked to come up with 2 numbers for each plaintiff. One for defamation damages and another for emotional distress damages. I'm guessing the jury had to weigh the evidence presented in relation to each plaintiff.

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vegeta415
10/12/22 5:28:49 PM
#77:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Judges can't overturn a jury verdict unless constitutional rights were violated during the trial.
So do you reckon that a corrupt supremely court, blatantly legislating, isnt gonna take the case alex jones vs Maryland?
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Tyranthraxus
10/12/22 5:30:32 PM
#78:


Jiggy101011 posted...
How come some families get different amounts?

Different amount of damage. Some families were in the spotlight longer. Other families may not have had as strong evidence of damage as others. Lots of different reasons.

None of them are getting the full amount probably anyway.

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CADE_FOSTER
10/12/22 5:33:01 PM
#79:


gunplagirl posted...
He needs to be living out of a cardboard box or car for the rest of his life paying them

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Tyranthraxus
10/12/22 5:33:15 PM
#80:


vegeta415 posted...
So do you reckon that a corrupt supremely court, blatantly legislating, isnt gonna take the case alex jones vs Maryland?

They will definitely not touch this case. They will probably dismiss the appeal with prejudice.

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TroutPaste
10/12/22 5:34:58 PM
#81:


Get fucked

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Unsuprised_Pika
10/12/22 5:37:12 PM
#82:


And punitive fines are ALSO incoming it seems too.

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frozenstar
10/12/22 5:38:08 PM
#83:


Never thought Id see the day.

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rodu_jr
10/12/22 5:38:50 PM
#84:


Nelson laugh
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Shadow_Don
10/12/22 5:41:18 PM
#85:


hyperpowder posted...
slander and libel shouldnt be a thing if you have true free speech

Fucking braindead take.

Your vision of a free speech society would amount to people slandering and lying about people they disagree with in a way that could cause immense harm. However bad you think cancel culture is just ramp that up by about 100 fold and that's what it would be like.

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tremain07
10/12/22 5:43:34 PM
#86:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDxA1pIHLBM

Imagine living through 10 years of strangers thinking you're just an actor, imagine getting harassing phone calls and drive bys and threats from complete strangers and finally imagine after all of that, you finally finally get the person responsible for your torment into a court of law and the law sides with you. This is where the story should end, the harassment should stop, your reputation should be restored and the person responsible is forever poor and disgraced in the public eye.


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thronedfire2
10/12/22 5:44:51 PM
#87:


saw it on the news, Jones looked like the most cold hearted non-remorseful guy ever when the verdict was read

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Malcrasternus
10/12/22 5:48:04 PM
#88:


VampireCoyote posted...
What are the chances of these families actually seeing this money though


Maybe just a mere fraction of it, if that sadly.

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ZevLoveDOOM
10/12/22 5:49:54 PM
#89:


Info Wars being shut down should be considered as well.

so that this fucker doesnt have a platform to spread his bullshit on...
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Bad_Mojo
10/12/22 5:51:49 PM
#90:


Prestoff posted...
I bet you're one of those guys that thinks it's okay to scream "fire" in the mall.

Im all on the Fuck Alex Jones wagon, but screaming about a fake fire is a lie, not an opinion like this was.

and again, fuck Alex Jones

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CableZL
10/12/22 5:54:07 PM
#91:


Bad_Mojo posted...
Im all on the f*** Alex Jones wagon, but screaming about a fake fire is a lie, not an opinion like this was.

and again, f*** Alex Jones

I don't think the argument that Alex Jones wasn't lying would be very successful in this regard.

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Prestoff
10/12/22 6:08:45 PM
#92:


Bad_Mojo posted...
Im all on the Fuck Alex Jones wagon, but screaming about a fake fire is a lie, not an opinion like this was.

and again, fuck Alex Jones

Saying that Sandy Hooks victims and parents are fake actors is not an opinion dude...

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CADE_FOSTER
10/12/22 6:13:56 PM
#93:


ZevLoveDOOM posted...
Info Wars being shut down should be considered as well.

so that this fucker doesnt have a platform to spread his bullshit on...
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Bad_Mojo
10/12/22 6:15:37 PM
#94:


Prestoff posted...
Saying that Sandy Hooks victims and parents are fake actors is not an opinion dude...

It is. That's what he thinks is true. Well, thought? I don't even know, tbh. I'm not going to die on this hill. Alex Jones is a fucking scumbag regardless of what you want to label it

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Harp_of_Ages
10/12/22 6:19:51 PM
#95:


Prestoff posted...
Saying that Sandy Hooks victims and parents are fake actors is not an opinion dude...
I mean he also probably thinks faking cancer is an opinion and not a lie

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Bad_Mojo
10/12/22 6:22:01 PM
#96:


Harp_of_Ages posted...
I mean he also probably thinks faking cancer is an opinion and not a lie

How many alts do you have?

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IMNOTRAGED
10/12/22 6:22:23 PM
#97:


Just gonna point out that he went as far as to imply that someone should go and harass at least one of the families and lied about things that he absolutely knew weren't true. This wasn't just an opinion

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Bad_Mojo
10/12/22 6:28:52 PM
#98:


IMNOTRAGED posted...
Just gonna point out that he went as far as to imply that someone should go and harass at least one of the families and lied about things that he absolutely knew weren't true. This wasn't just an opinion

If he knew he was lying, then yeah. I don't know, I don't pay attention to the guy other than hearing second hand accounts of him being a pos

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Prestoff
10/12/22 6:33:24 PM
#99:


Bad_Mojo posted...
It is. That's what he thinks is true. Well, thought? I don't even know, tbh. I'm not going to die on this hill. Alex Jones is a fucking scumbag regardless of what you want to label it

No it isn't. Context is key here and why he is being sued for defamation and why he was found guilty of it. You can't be sued for defamation and be found guilty for having an opinion unless it was stated as fact.

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CableZL
10/12/22 6:33:47 PM
#100:


Bad_Mojo posted...
If he knew he was lying, then yeah. I don't know, I don't pay attention to the guy other than hearing second hand accounts of him being a pos
Why are you insisting he wasn't lying when you don't know much about what's going on?

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mario2000
10/12/22 6:34:50 PM
#101:


lmao get wrecked

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Bad_Mojo
10/12/22 6:36:07 PM
#102:


CableZL posted...
Why are you insisting he wasn't lying when you don't know much about what's going on?

100% fair

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bknight
10/12/22 6:36:13 PM
#103:


Now just need my pillow guy to lose his billion dollar lawsuit and we'll go 2/2.
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