Current Events > Why do so many Star Wars fans hate the new trilogy so much?

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I just didn't like it. The Force Awakens managed to be enjoyable despite it being so safe. But The Last Jedi was just bizarre to me when I first watched it. Killed my interest in the sequel trilogy so much that I didn't watch Rise of Skywalker till a year after release. And that movie was just complete nonsense. I haven't rewatched any of the movies and I don't plan to, but oddly enough The Last Jedi is only one I've grown to appreciate slightly in hindsight. There were some things it did that I liked, but the stuff I hated overshadowed everything when I first watched.

I don't really think it's a big deal overall that the Sequel Trilogy wasn't all that great. Disney has done a very nice job with Star Wars since. There's no need to put any of the movies on a pedestal when the rest of the franchise has so much shit in it. Between all the movies, games, shows, and books there's at least something there for you to enjoy. If not, you probably just don't like Star Wars.

Because there was a coherent story about 1 or 2 characters who were prevalent in every movie, then 2 other characters that hadn't even been mentioned for one.

It just feels like a different story.

First off because they're atrocious.
Second because there was no reason to make them to begin with.

The OT tried to tell a story (not a new story mind you).
The PT expanded in it (for better or worse).
The ST tried to hit you across the face with the member berries in the first part, the second part said "fuck you and what you cherish, I'm smearing shit all over these walls and you HAVE TO like it, didn't expect that did you?"). The third part threw sugar on the shit covered walls and said "it's not so bad, here have a sip of member berry juice".

If they wanted to do their own thing and ignore/toss out everything from the OT and PT they should have just rebooted the damn thing. There would have still been massive outrage but at least they wouldn't have shat on everything that came before.

We all got a chicken-duck-woman thing waiting for us.

Because they add very little value to the franchise and in some aspects what is added make the entire thing worse?

CRON posted...

If you don't like the new trilogy, that doesn't mean whichever trilogy you like just ceases to exist.

You don't really believe this is the real issue, do you?

The ST sucks, deal with it, the end.

The new movies just felt like they didn't have any stories worth telling. As much as people say the second movie was very different, it still reminded me way too much of esb.

The sequel trilogy is way better than the original trilogy and prequel trilogy that's for sure

CRON posted...

If you don't like the new trilogy, that doesn't mean whichever trilogy you like just ceases to exist.

Disney declared all the previously existing extended universe non-canon. So yes, all the Old Republic and New Republic works did cease to exist due to the new trilogy.

I'd rather have KotOR and Heir to the Empire than the new movies. So I declare the old EU canon, and the "First Order spin-off films" non-canon. Hating on the "sequel trilogy" is a way to make all the Star Wars stories I like remain in existence.

There's a lot of truth to both the ST being disorganized, as well as Star Wars fans generally being a fickle bunch.

The biggest problem was Disney not having a concrete direction for the new trilogy, which made it easy for fan reaction to drastically influence the movies. Every movie in the trilogy feels disjointed because every single one of them was a response to fan reaction.

TFA was a reaction to Star Wars fans' dislike of the PT. TLJ was a reaction to Star Wars fans claiming that TFA played it too safe. TRoS was Disney trying to play it safe again and literally undoing everything TLJ had setup.

The reason Mando ended up being so good was in large part because it knew what it wanted to be and didn't let fanboys steer it in a particular direction. I stand firmly in the camp who believes that TRoS is really what ruins the trilogy. Even if you didn't like it, a trilogy can come back from a mediocre 2nd installment. But when the entire 3rd movie is written as a passive-aggressive retcon to the 2nd movie to such a degree that its own writing and logic suffers, yeah, you can't bounce back from that.

yeah, think i prefer the prequel trilogy. even with Jar Jar Binks and all...

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Every movie in the trilogy feels disjointed because every single one of them was a response to fan reaction.

This is probably true for Rise of Skywalker, but it's not true at all for The Last Jedi iirc. The film was being written while The Force Awakens was still in production, to the extent that JJ Abrams let some of the direction of his film be influenced by what Rian Johnson was writing.

MirageOfRuins posted...

We all got a chicken-duck-woman thing waiting for us.

Everyday I worry all day.

ST is still better than the PT

TPM is completely standalone and insignificant to the story, the PT could've started at AotC.
Speaking of AotC, it is the worst SW film.
Ewan McGregor lucked out because he had an existing performance to work off of while everyone else was left high and dry.

ST has competent filmmaking, with the cinematography in TLJ being a standout.
TFA has Poe and Han Solo who are more fun and engaging characters than anyone in the PT

Because it's shit. Mystifying answer ain't it.

Unknown480 posted...

The sequel trilogy is way better than the original trilogy and prequel trilogy that's for sure

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sabin017 posted...

ST is still better than the PT

If people can be gaslit into strongly thinking otherwise, you can get them to believe anything. The prequels have all of the flaws, or "flaws" in case of things that aren't really problems but just things that people don't like, in spades, to the extent that it's usually worse in the prequels, compounded by worse performances and worse visuals (TPM is the only one that stands out for its visuals). I think people like the idea of the prequels more than that of the sequels, but that's gleaned from filtering the actual movies out and further distilling them down to a narrow and calculated abstract concept, and propped up as a defining and decisive victory in the movies' favor.

IShall_Run_Amok posted...

If people can be gaslit into strongly thinking otherwise, you can get them to believe anything. The prequels have all of the flaws, or "flaws" in case of things that aren't really problems but just things that people don't like, in spades, to the extent that it's usually worse in the prequels, compounded by worse performances and worse visuals (TPM is the only one that stands out for its visuals). I think people like the idea of the prequels more than that of the sequels, but that's gleaned from filtering the actual movies out and further distilling them down to a narrow and calculated abstract concept, and propped up as a defining and decisive victory in the movies' favor.

There's also a lot of revisionist history due to The Clone Wars and other Clone Wars-era content fixing a lot of what people didn't like about the PT.

Anakin and Darth Maul especially are characters that got propelled thanks to the cartoon.

it calls itself the sequel trilogy, but fails both as a sequel and a trilogy

IShall_Run_Amok posted...

I think people like the idea of the prequels more than that of the sequels, but that's gleaned from filtering the actual movies out and further distilling them down to a narrow and calculated abstract concept, and propped up as a defining and decisive victory in the movies' favor.

You've finally figured out the profound concept of "some people prefer interesting stories even if the execution is poor, while some people prefer well executed stories even if the ideas are bland"

:P

Personally there's a lot of shit I like that's just objectively bad on a technical level but I still love it because something about it scratches the pleasure centers of my brain. And honestly the only really terrible part of the prequels is the fact that George Lucas can't write romance for shit, and yet somehow decided to make a romance one of the fundamental pillars of the prequels. Pretty much everything McGregor, Neeson, and McDiarmid get up to is loads of fun. >_>

Lots of other stuff, like "there is no West in space" and "alien diner looks like Happy Days" is just camp that's easy to no-prize into making sense if it bothers you that much. <_<

i really liked The Force Awakens and was excited as heck fer TLJ. saw it midnight. knew kinda right away something was off. it ended up not feeling like Star Wars to me and i came out uninterested in Star Wars. never got around to seein ep 9 cuz i was just done after that :v

Kim_Seong-a posted...

You've finally figured out the profound concept of "some people prefer interesting stories even if the execution is poor, while some people prefer well executed stories even if the ideas are bland"

That feels like the entire Xenoblade discourse come to think about it. XC1's story ideas (outside of the world being dead Titans, that was cool) were fairly bland, but it executed it extremely well. XC2 and XC3 have more interesting stories but the execution isn't as great.

Kim_Seong-a posted...

You've finally figured out the profound concept of "some people prefer interesting stories even if the execution is poor, while some people prefer well executed stories even if the ideas are bland"

Not really. I don't understand it at all. The prequel trilogy's story is even worse than the sequel trilogy's.

IShall_Run_Amok posted...

Not really. I don't understand it at all. The prequel trilogy's story is even worse than the sequel trilogy's.

the sequel doesn't really have an actual overarching story, and standalone the movies are kinda nothing (well not TLJ but it wasn't exactly good either)

Shabriri posted...

i really liked The Force Awakens and was excited as heck fer TLJ. saw it midnight. knew kinda right away something was off. it ended up not feeling like Star Wars to me and i came out uninterested in Star Wars. never got around to seein ep 9 cuz i was just done after that :v

This right here and it's most of us. The Last Jedi was just terrible, not a good movie going experience at all. Hell Solo was way better.

bulletproofvita posted...

This right here and it's most of us. The Last Jedi was just terrible, not a good movie going experience at all. Hell Solo was way better.

I won't even say it's terrible. It just didn't do anything for me. I don't hate it, I don't think it's explicitly bad like I do the prequels. It's just...a nebulous bleh

IShall_Run_Amok posted...

The prequel trilogy's story is even worse than the sequel trilogy's.

Nah. Anakin becoming progressively disillusioned with the Jedi as his life unravels due to his own failures, a Sith Lord manipulating a government for his own ends, Obi-Wan torn between his loyalty to the Jedi teachings and trying to raise/train a boy he genuinely cares for but was not equipped to help, only taking on the responsibility because his master got himself killed, Jar Jar learning the importance of table manners

All of these are great bits that just desperately needed an editor, a few rewrites, and a director who could help Christensen's make Anakin's love for Padme come off as genuine and tragic rather than creepy. >____>