Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 395: North Korea Goes Ballistic

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HashtagSEP posted...

I believe plum's argument is that the guy just had to furiously masturbate so badly in that very moment that he didn't care where he pulled over, he just did at the first opportunity. And that we should... Apparently be understanding of that...?

The argument is people have the right to privacy and if nobody can tell what you are doing unless a cop spies on you then you obviously aren't doing anything indecent

Your car is not privacy.

UshiromiyaEva posted...

Your car is not privacy.

People really think their car provides privacy and I don't quite understand it.

Also I have no idea why anyone would defend this.

masterplum posted...

The argument is people have the right to privacy and if nobody can tell what you are doing unless a cop spies on you then you obviously aren't doing anything indecent

Bro, for like any other thing I can think of Im right there with you.

It may not be legally correct, but your car SHOULD count as a private area protected by the 4th amendment.

But were talking about stroking off in sight of kids, my dude

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Bro, for like any other thing I can think of Im right there with you.

It may not be legally correct, but your car SHOULD count as a private area protected by the 4th amendment.

But were talking about stroking off in sight of kids, my dude

The Cop said it was in sight of kids. The guy claimed he didn't even know a preschool was around

Sorry I'm not jumping to completely believe everything a cop said

masterplum posted...

The Cop said it was in sight of kids. The guy claimed he didn't even know a preschool was around

Sorry I'm not jumping to completely believe everything a cop said

Yeah because you're jumping to believe the Republican instead. We get it. For some reason, you really connect to this dude that masturbates around kids. You do you, man.

masterplum posted...

The argument is people have the right to privacy and if nobody can tell what you are doing unless a cop spies on you then you obviously aren't doing anything indecent

Also wait hold on. Are you literally arguing the dude wasn't going anything indecent by masturbating in public? Looking through a car window is not spying. I'm really baffled why you're so desperate to defend this.

StealThisSheen posted...

Yeah because you're jumping to believe the Republican instead. We get it. For some reason, you really connect to this dude that masturbates around kids. You do you, man.

My argument wouldn't change if it was bernie sanders. What does being republican have to do with anything.

StealThisSheen posted...

For some reason, you really connect to this dude that masturbates around kids.

Oh, now you're just being mean. That's not the part he identifies with, it's the "masturbates in his car in public" part. Plum just doesn't want to have to make sure there aren't any kids around before he gets started. Is that so wrong?

Yes

WHY lS THIS ARGUMENT 50 POSTS LONG

StealThisSheen posted...

Also wait hold on. Are you literally arguing the dude wasn't going anything indecent by masturbating in public? Looking through a car window is not spying. I'm really baffled why you're so desperate to defend this.

Because you guys are sucking up to cops. ACAB unless they violate rights doing something you agree with

masterplum posted...

The Cop said it was in sight of kids. The guy claimed he didn't even know a preschool was around

Sorry I'm not jumping to completely believe everything a cop said

Also, this falls apart miserably if you would have actually read up on it instead of jumping to defend the guy:

Ofc: When you look around here what do you see?

AP1: The child center but I didn't notice until you came up and I got out of my truck. Are you going to put that in a report?

The guy literally acknowledged the preschool nearby. This isn't some "The cop is lying guys I just know it!" bit.

My dude I've had 3 accounts here permabanned by a rouge mod for ACAB signatures, but this is not the hill.

masterplum posted...

Because you guys are sucking up to cops. ACAB unless they violate rights doing something you agree with

So you're sticking with the stance that "the cop must have been lying about the preschool and therefore invaded privacy this guy didn't actually have. Just let him masturbate in public in peace, geez!" despite the fact the guy himself confirmed there was a preschool nearby?

You're sick, dude.

he wasn't in public

Nobody could see what he was doing until a cop searched his vehicle

Your car is public if you're parked in public. Entering a vehicle and looking into vehicle are not the same thing

Are you violating someone's private space everytime you get out of your car in a parking lot or do you close your eyes until you're out in the throughway?

oh my god

Like here is my hypothetical

If he was smoking weed would you think the cop still did nothing wrong?

UshiromiyaEva posted...

Your car is public if you're parked in public. Entering a vehicle and looking into vehicle are not the same thing

Are you violating someone's private space everytime you get out of your car in a parking lot or do you close your eyes until you're out in the throughway?

but you don't understand

the cop approached the vehicle before looking in the window

that makes it an incredible breach of privacy, the biggest privacy scandal since watergate

masterplum posted...

Like here is my hypothetical

If he was smoking weed would you think the cop still did nothing wrong?

no, it would definitely be wrong for the cop to bust him for smoking weed, considering weed is legal in arizona

masterplum posted...

he wasn't in public

Nobody could see what he was doing until a cop searched his vehicle

The guy acknowledges people on a bike path 8 feet away could have easily seen him had they actually looked over, among others.

Again, you should have probably actually read up on it before this intense defense of a dude masturbating in public next to a preschool.

Also, cop didn't search the vehicle, fuck off with that.

masterplum posted...

Like here is my hypothetical

If he was smoking weed would you think the cop still did nothing wrong?

If weed is unfortunately illegal in that area then *yes*

OPENLY SMOKING WEED IS NOT THE SAME AS HAVING WEED HIDDEN IN THE TRUNK

CAN YOU NOT SPOT THE DIFFERENCE??

If instead of masturbating he was reading a book would you cop bootlickers still think this man was a criminal?

Hypocrites

I meant if he was smoking weed, not having it hidden

masterplum posted...

I meant if he was smoking weed, not having it hidden

No shit that the POINT.

I posted that before you edited to clarify

I'm just confused by how all out you are going to die on this hill. Like, you won't back down even remotely. Are you the founder of the Masturbating in Public reddit or something?

masterplum posted...

I posted that before you edited to clarify

Fair, I misread originally.

Like, you dropped it down to comparing it to smoking weed, so let me throw another one at you.

Would you be mad if somebody was raping somebody in their car and somebody stopped them because they approached the car and saw it happening? Would you be going "But his privacy!" then?

Honestly it mostly just annoyed me that this became a political thing to begin with, as we all know if it was a democrat doing it it never would have been posted here and if it wasn't someone in local politics it also wouldn't have ever gotten out of local news. Hell, if it was a woman people would probably not only defend it but be willing to donate to a go fund me.

But regardless people should be against cops snooping around in general. Republicans are using false human trafficking concerns to try to pump up authoritarianism

Ah yes, the board 8 politics containment topic, known lovers of democrats everywhere

get the fuck outta here plum

you're all fine saying acab until they start busting folks taking a wank at the preschool woww

LordoftheMorons posted...

If they do end up killing it it would be better for them to do so before it actually goes into effect. Uncancelling canceled loans would be a massive clusterfuck.

(Itll still be a clusterfuck even if they do it now since presumably people are already making spending decisions in the assumption that the forgiveness is happening, but if they do reverse it anyway the sooner the better)

Justice Barrett ruled against them. Don't think this is surprising. It's pretty obvious people who are not a creditor have no standing to challenge the forgiveness of a loan.

StealThisSheen posted...

Like, you dropped it down to comparing it to smoking weed, so let me throw another one at you.

Would you be mad if somebody was raping somebody in their car and somebody stopped them because they approached the car and saw it happening? Would you be going "But his privacy!" then?

I mean yeah. You can find corner cases for every amendment in the bill of rights where you don't actually want that right to exist but that is the price you pay for having them. You want freedom of speech but that means people can be openly racist or anti-Semitic. You want freedom of religion but that means sometimes people brainwash kids in cults.

I believe in protection against unlawful search and seizure. Of course we would reduce sexual crimes if we installed cameras on every street corner. That's what China does, but I value that freedom even if it means sometimes sexual assaults will occur

OH MY GOD dude

I mean do you want to install facial recognition software to track every person in the countries movements?

Because I feel like that is your argument here, that you don't care about an overreach of authoritarianism because it will catch crime

if you think it's okay to bust dudes openly going to town on their meat in public you want chinese authoritarian dictatorships

If someone is raping someone in their car I dont give a single fuck on Earth about their right to privacy.

Grimlyn posted...

if you think it's okay to bust dudes openly going to town on their meat in public you want chinese authoritarian dictatorships

That is my point that what the person was doing has nothing to do with it

swordz9 posted...

If someone is raping someone in their car I dont give a single fuck on Earth about their right to privacy.

but you don't know

That's the point. right now SOMEONE is probably being raped in a car somewhere.

You can catch that person if you install cameras in everyone's car

Do you install cameras Y/N

The inside of the car is visible from the outside. It already isn't private!

And if a cop is aware of a rape occurring then yes, they should be stopping it regardless of where it's located

masterplum posted...

I mean yeah. You can find corner cases for every amendment in the bill of rights where you don't actually want that right to exist but that is the price you pay for having them. You want freedom of speech but that means people can be openly racist or anti-Semitic. You want freedom of religion but that means sometimes people brainwash kids in cults.

I believe in protection against unlawful search and seizure. Of course we would reduce sexual crimes if we installed cameras on every street corner. That's what China does, but I value that freedom even if it means sometimes sexual assaults will occur

Please explain how what is visible through a car window in a public fucking place is "unlawful search and seizure."

You literally just argued "Yep, better let dudes just go to town on themselves OR on an unwilling victim as long as they are in their car, even if it's next to a preschool or in any other public place."

I feel like you had some kind of gut, emotional reaction to this case in particular, and now you're desperate to turn this around on us by making it some kind of privacy/ACAB issue when it isn't even remotely.

This isn't about cameras. It's about something the cop saw happening because IT'S IN. FUCKING. PUBLIC.

you're actually not allowed to commit crimes openly in public just because you wheeled in your car

The incessant need to win really does warp a person.

LordoftheMorons posted...

The inside of the car is visible from the outside. It already isn't private!

And if a cop is aware of a rape occurring then yes, they should be stopping it regardless of where it's located

Yes, we agree that if the cop suspects a crime is taking place that is acceptable.

If the cop in this story indicated that they suspected the dude was doing something wrong before approaching the car this topic would have 100 less posts

masterplum posted...

If the cop in this story indicated that they suspected the dude was doing something wrong before approaching the car this topic would have 100 less posts

He did. The dude was idling outside of a preschool for an abnormal amount of time at a time that wasn't normal for people to be idling there, which is suspicious in this day and age.

Try again.

StealThisSheen posted...

He did. The dude was idling outside of a preschool for an abnormal amount of time at a time that wasn't normal for people to be idling there, which is suspicious in this day and age.

Try again.

That wasn't in the article I read

If that is the case I rescind my argument

StealThisSheen posted...

I feel like you had some kind of gut, emotional reaction to this case in particular, and now you're desperate to turn this around on us by making it some kind of privacy/ACAB issue when it isn't even remotely.

Nah, I just read the article and was annoyed the headline made it sound like he was jerking it to preschoolers when the article said he was just watching porn on his phone and a cop showed up

masterplum posted...

That wasn't in the article I read

If that is the case I rescind my argument

So you didn't know about that, and you didn't know the guy acknowledged he was near a preschool and basically was hopeful that would be omitted from the report. Which means you were ignorant of several key pieces of information about the event in question.

And you STILL argued to this extent?

StealThisSheen posted...

So you didn't know about that, and you didn't know the guy acknowledged he was near a preschool and basically was hopeful that would be omitted from the report. Which means you were ignorant of several key pieces of information about the event in question.

And you STILL argued to this extent?

The dude admitted he was near a preschool when he was pressed on it. That doesn't change the fact that the location has nothing to do with the act. He could have been near a preschool, church, circus whatever