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epik_fail1
09/23/22 11:28:40 AM
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I was a bit surprised tbh when I was a lot of people hated her? Is it because she realises she is more like Bojack than she initially wished to admit and the viewers hated that they related to her realization?

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Evening_Dragon
09/23/22 11:29:40 AM
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I think it's a lot of angry young men on the internet.

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Foppe
09/23/22 11:30:20 AM
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Because she is a woman.

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fan357
09/23/22 11:30:37 AM
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Evening_Dragon posted...
I think it's a lot of angry young men on the internet.


This. Although it can be frustrating when she is consistently her own worst enemy. But thats true of most of us.

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gunplagirl
09/23/22 11:31:46 AM
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Foppe posted...
Because she is a woman.


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TaylorHeinicke
09/23/22 11:32:02 AM
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my girlfriend hates her. i didnt realize so many people did aside from her

i dont see it

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epik_fail1
09/23/22 11:32:22 AM
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Foppe posted...
Because she is a woman.

Then why do people seem to love Princesd Carolyn and Sarah Lynn(not sure if I spelled them right)

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Evening_Dragon
09/23/22 11:33:05 AM
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TaylorHeinicke posted...
my girlfriend hates her. i didnt realize so many people did aside from her

i dont see it

Oh, this lends some credence to tc's theory then. CEgals input pls

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A_Good_Boy
09/23/22 11:33:50 AM
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epik_fail1 posted...
Then why do people seem to love Princesd Carolyn and Sarah Lynn(not sure if I spelled them right)
Because none of those people are critical of Bojack.

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ElatedVenusaur
09/23/22 11:33:58 AM
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She struggles with depression and low self-esteem and is also usually the most sensible character, while being a woman.
And the end of arc is her accepting that she needs anti-depressants that render her body less socially desirable and winds up happily married to buffalo man.

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Lost_All_Senses
09/23/22 11:35:39 AM
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Cause only men are allowed to be flawed.

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epik_fail1
09/23/22 11:36:54 AM
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Lost_All_Senses posted...
Cause only men are allowed to be flawed

But everyone seem to love princess Carolyn and she is a very flawed character


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Foppe
09/23/22 11:38:01 AM
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epik_fail1 posted...
But everyone seem to love princess Carolyn and she is a very flawed character
Because furries.

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MrToothHasYou
09/23/22 11:38:19 AM
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She is hated (or her story arc is hated) because not only does she not exist solely to serve story purpose of getting together with the main character who initially has a crush on her, but she then does the worst thing a woman can do in modern societygain weight.

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Lost_All_Senses
09/23/22 11:40:29 AM
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epik_fail1 posted...
But everyone seem to love princess Carolyn and she is a very flawed character

She mostly serves Bojack and isn't human.

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IShall_Run_Amok
09/23/22 11:45:39 AM
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I've always found hating a fictional character to be sort of ridiculous. If a character is well written, or even just well performed in a coherent fashion, I generally will like the character even if they are an absolute skunk (after all, it's better to be a skunk in fiction than a skunk in reality - bad guys make real life awful, and they can make fiction really fun). And Diane certainly isn't a skunk. She's a complex character, with a lot of flaws and some virtues in the end, and that's just where good entertainment comes from.

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Collat
09/23/22 11:48:41 AM
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I could see people finding her annoying. Didn't really bother me too much though.

A_Good_Boy posted...
Because none of those people are critical of Bojack.
Carolyn was sort of.

Do people really get mad about Bojack being criticized? He's meant to be shitty.
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EmbraceOfDeath
09/23/22 11:52:21 AM
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Foppe posted...
Because furries.
Lol no. It's because Princess Carolyn is an actually likeable character while Diane often falls into the whole "woe is me despite putting myself into these situations" thing like Bojack, at least until she moves away.

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epik_fail1
09/23/22 11:52:49 AM
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Collat posted...
I could see people finding her annoying. Didn't really bother me too much though.

Carolyn was sort of.

Do people really get mad about Bojack being criticized? He's meant to be shitty.

I am pretty sure Todd called out Bojack pretty harshly in one episode and people didn't start hating him(Todd was right though)

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A_Good_Boy
09/23/22 12:40:03 PM
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Collat posted...
Carolyn was sort of.

Do people really get mad about Bojack being criticized? He's meant to be shitty.
Whenever Carolyn criticises him she almost instantly reneges and apologizes for hurting his feelings. Whatever insights Bojack is meant to receive from the criticism are near instantly undone because PC won't put her foot down. When Diane speaks to Bojack she's serious and means every word of it. She's the only person in the show that Bojack is incapable of walking all over because she won't let him.

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meestermj
09/23/22 12:43:25 PM
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I liked Diane. She felt like a really well written character.
I didn't enjoy the whole arc with her and Peanut Butter, but that's mostly because I find him annoying.

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Lost_All_Senses
09/23/22 12:44:57 PM
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Collat posted...
Do people really get mad about Bojack being criticized? He's meant to be shitty.

He's also supposed to be a realistic representation of a type of person. Though, those people usually aren't as self reflective. Whichis why they wouldn't like people reacting to their problems in ways that don't serve them.

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FelineCyborg
09/23/22 12:46:31 PM
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I was more surprised about the princess Caroline hate. She was like the character I empathized with the most...being with a narc like bojack and all and still being his agent

Edit: topic is claiming people don't hate on princess caroline...not true at all

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epik_fail1
09/23/22 12:47:57 PM
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FelineCyborg posted...
I was more surprised about the princess Caroline hate. She was like the character I empathized with the most...being with a narc like bojack and all and still being his agent

Edit: topic is claiming people don't hate on princess caroline...not true at all

What hate?

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s0nicfan
09/23/22 12:49:21 PM
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I can't think of a single character on that show who would surprise me to find that people hated them. The entire cast consists of deeply flawed people scraping by in their daily lives while for the most part not addressing serious personal problems they have and ultimately dragging the people around them into their messes. Some people are worse than others, but every single one of them has some kind of issue where I could see a viewer being turned off by their very character.

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Lost_All_Senses
09/23/22 12:54:20 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
I can't think of a single character on that show who would surprise me to find that people hated them. The entire cast consists of deeply flawed people scraping by in their daily lives while for the most part not addressing serious personal problems they have and ultimately dragging the people around them into their messes. Some people are worse than others, but every single one of them has some kind of issue where I could see a viewer being turned off by their very character.

That's a good point. You could easily find examples to cherry pick for whoever you want to be perceived as overall hated.

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Smashingpmkns
09/23/22 12:56:15 PM
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I don't think I hated any of the characters other than Bojack's dad but I think that's the point.

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Lost_All_Senses
09/23/22 12:57:15 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
I don't think I hated any of the characters other than Bojack's dad but I think that's the point.

Bojack's dad is a real man from back in the days :3. When men were men. And boys were....abused by men being men...

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Evening_Dragon
09/23/22 1:01:39 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
I don't think I hated any of the characters other than Bojack's dad but I think that's the point.

Credit to the show that I couldn't even hate him. I hated a lot about him, but not him, because he was so fundamentally and deeply confused into thinking he was doing a good job as a person.

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Prestoff
09/23/22 1:09:06 PM
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Both characters are the same thing, the difference being Diane owns up and faces her mistakes most of the time while most of the time Bojack always tries to hide or deny his mistakes and it always bites him in the ass in the future. Though my favorite episode was the one where he strangles the actress and when he tried to own up to it (which meant destroying his own reputation and career) actress and along with the producers said for him to play it off as a joke. When she said that she wants to be known as a good actress with a lead role as oppose to that girl that got strangled by Bojack, it really shows that sometimes people being shitty is because that's the way Hollywood show business works and why a lot of people get away with it. Though I think the big difference between Bojack and Diane is that Bojacks mistakes usually devolves into Hi-jinks that is often played for laughs (not all the time) while Diane's mistakes often become more self reflective and not played soo much into laughs (she also engages in Hi-jinks but almost never on the same page as Bojack).

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A_Good_Boy
09/23/22 1:16:49 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
I don't think I hated any of the characters other than Bojack's dad but I think that's the point.
I felt really sorry for Bojack's dad. I found each character in that show to be extremely sympathetic. Sure, they're actions and behavior to one another was awful, but that's the point. Each character is a multifaceted individual, and multifaceted individuals have flaws. Some of those people are able to contain and handle their flaws and others are ruined by them.

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bigblu89
09/23/22 1:18:19 PM
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I think it's mostly because the show is meant to (mostly) be a comedy, despite going into VERY dark places at times, and very few of those comedic moments involve Diane. She tends to be the wet blanket of the show.

s0nicfan posted...
I can't think of a single character on that show who would surprise me to find that people hated them. The entire cast consists of deeply flawed people scraping by in their daily lives while for the most part not addressing serious personal problems they have and ultimately dragging the people around them into their messes. Some people are worse than others, but every single one of them has some kind of issue where I could see a viewer being turned off by their very character.

This is also very true, but most of them do it to comedic effect.

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Evening_Dragon
09/23/22 1:23:32 PM
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Evening_Dragon posted...
Credit to the show that I couldn't even hate him. I hated a lot about him, but not him, because he was so fundamentally and deeply confused into thinking he was doing a good job as a person.

Wait, no, I thought you meant Bojack's mom's dad.

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FelineCyborg
09/23/22 3:50:24 PM
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epik_fail1 posted...
What hate?

There was some backlash how she treated the mouse dude

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09/23/22 3:52:04 PM
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i hate her because i see a reflection of myself

someone who thought they were going to do something special, BE something, someone special
but then life batters you down and makes you realize you're no more special than anyone else in this rat race, you'll likely NEVER reach the top you thought you could, and you're underperforming as a person because you can't get over your own flaws

also she's incredibly ungrateful for what she has in life in general, so there's that

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