Current Events > Does Kingdom Hearts story even make sense?

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They dont explain anything. They just say things are happening.

Im fairly good at following complicated storylines but even I can't make sense of Kingdom Hearts story

Honestly: heartless dont make any sense......

Generally speaking, yes it does. You just have to play a bunch of games on a bunch of platforms in order. Several of which a remakes that just so happen to have a couple of random new additions that impact the plot, and you are expected to 100% every game sans 1.

So the physical manifestation of darkness in a heart. Whatever the fuck that means. And it causes yet another being to exist.

Holy hell that in itself makes little sense.

It makes sense. It's just stupid.

Why doesnt the physical manifestation of light in a heart get its own being?

It makes sense until Dream Drop Distance, they went full ****** there.

Being dumb/weird does not mean it doesn't make sense.

A good 90% of it is very straightforward tbh. People here love Metal Gear and Nier and Xeno games but wanna balk at Kingdom Hearts. Nonsense

The amount of background knowledge you need to make sense of the KH3 story is so stupid.

It does but like anything with mo g established history it is very easy to lose out on context. And with how people love to meme and shit on the games they will try to make bad faith arguments about it.

It makes sense, but that doesn't mean it isnt bad.

TC has an issue being presented with fantasy concepts

The first one made enough sense. Then they went full blown anime with the rest.

littlebro07 posted...

The first one made enough sense. Then they went full blown anime with the rest.

The first one was already a full blown anime type game.

BurmesePenguin posted...

The amount of background knowledge you need to make sense of the KH3 story is so stupid.

I went into it having only played 1 and 2. Figured thered just be some occasional references to what I thought were spin-off games and Id be able to follow it.

From the start I had absolutely no idea wtf was going on. So I watched this recap video and slowly descended into madness:

https://youtu.be/tjiHufVEc7g

I played all the games and watched all the movies on the 1.5, 2.5 and 2.8 collections. Granted I had a lot of trouble paying attention to the cutscene collection movies because come on I was there to play games not sit and watch hours long lore dumps with no creative flair in their stage setting. I watched them. I tried, okay.

I was so fucking lost in KH3 and even more lost in Re:Mind.

ellis123 posted...

You just have to play a bunch of games on a bunch of platforms in order...

This stopped being a thing years ago. Every game besides the mobile games (obviously) can be found on one platform.

Anyway, yes, the story makes sense.

Only the first game

Holy_Cloud105 posted...

This stopped being a thing years ago. Every game besides the mobile games (obviously) can be found on one platform.

Anyway, yes, the story makes sense.

Pretty much this but it wont stop people from claiming the games make no sense.

littlebro07 posted...

The first one made enough sense. Then they went full blown anime with the rest.

This.

The first one was fine with what it was. Then they introduced the Organization XIII stuff and just went off the rails from there.

Holy_Cloud105 posted...

This stopped being a thing years ago. Every game besides the mobile games (obviously) can be found on one platform.

Anyway, yes, the story makes sense.

People who have already written it off as too confusing will not get rereleases. The damage has already been done, the fact that it's "fixed" now isn't relevant.

Lol y'all over exaggerate this shit. It's a children's game the story isn't complicated. I only ever played 1,2 & 3 and the story makes sense to me.

HovaRex posted...

Lol y'all over exaggerate this shit. It's a children's game the story isn't complicated. I only ever played 1,2 & 3 and the story makes sense to me.

Most of the problems people have is that they dont play the games between numbered entries or they are the kind of people that skip cutscenes.

The magical mechanics central to the plots of DDD and KH3 convinced me to stop worrying about lore and just go with the vibes. Like there's no part of DDD other than the waking world flashbacks where I know for sure where anyone is or why. And the KH3 DLC is just wild.

I never got into the mobile games because by the time I had a phone that could run UX, the gameplay was too complicated and power-creepy to bother. I know there are cutscene compilations on YouTube, but I don't wanna get invested in all this shit with the black box that won't be opened or identified for ten more games.

Baha05 posted...

Most of the problems people have is that they dont play the games between numbered entries or they are the kind of people that skip cutscenes.

I didn't play any of the in between games, but 3 still holds your hand through the plot of those games.

HovaRex posted...

I didn't play any of the in between games, but 3 still holds your hand through the plot of those games.

In a sense yeah but you still lose a lot of context because of skipping games.

It makes sense if you play all the games because the games constantly had things happening that weren't elaborated on until a future release

But even then there's things that don't make sense within the lore of the universe and are stitched together by retcons

Like Riku just handing Kairi a keyblade or Vanitas looks like a teenage Sora when Ventus' heart hadn't been expelled from his body yet

Northlane posted...

It makes sense if you play all the games because the games constantly had things happening that weren't elaborated on until a future release

But even then there's things that don't make sense within the lore of the universe and are stitched together by retcons

Like Riku just handing Kairi a keyblade or Vanitas looks like a teenage Sora when Ventus' heart hadn't been expelled from his body yet

The whole Ventus thing could be explained by the fact that there was still a connection made between Sora and Ventus, thus when Vanitas was basically removed from Ventus there was still a connection that shaped his appearance to look like Sora.

Riku handing Kairi a keyblade wasnt explained for sure.

The explanation for Riku handing Kairi a keyblade is that everybody can use anybody's keyblade shut up

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Well it sounds like you picked the best place to stop. KH2 is the only game in the series whose ending passes for an ending to the story. Every other game just adds more problems to solve and people to save. Also the story does keep getting worse from there, so the sooner you dip out, the better.

Heartless makes little sense. Like I become a heartless or do i die and a heartless is born from that? But then the nobodies make no fucking sense. So also another being exist and its a new being thats me without an emotional heart or some shit.

That makes no sense.

Lairen posted...

Heartless makes little sense. Like I become a heartless or do i die and a heartless is born from that? But then the nobodies make no fucking sense. So also another being exist and its a new being thats me without an emotional heart or some shit.

That makes no sense.

Because you are choosing to make it difficult.

Heartless are created by those who lose their hearts to darkness

Nobodies are created when a person with falls to darkness and is the leftover husk.

For me it all made a lot of sense up till post KH3.

I heard a description of the mobile game story post KH3 and none of that made any sense to me.

Xerun posted...

For me it all made a lot of sense up till post KH3.

I heard a description of the mobile game story post KH3 and none of that made any sense to me.

I think the tl;dr version is mysterious guy tricks a bunch of people into destroying themselves because he wanted to see the future or some shit

Northlane posted...

I think the tl;dr version is mysterious guy tricks a bunch of people into destroying themselves because he wanted to see the future or some shit

This is what I read(spoilers for everything KH ever released I guess)

https://www.reddit.com/r/KingdomHearts/comments/x09z0r/all_dark_road_finale_major_events_explained/

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There's the message in a bottle, but at least everyone is back home at the end, there's no implication that Roxas and Namine need to be freed, and there aren't any Xehanorts waiting to strike. 1, CoM, Days, BbS, DDD, Coded, UX, and 3 all either end with kids lost in space (or possessed or some kind of "dead") or villains gearing up to end the world.

Hambo posted...

There's the message in a bottle, but at least everyone is back home at the end, there's no implication that Roxas and Namine need to be freed, and there aren't any Xehanorts waiting to strike. 1, CoM, Days, BbS, DDD, Coded, UX, and 3 all either end with kids lost in space (or possessed or some kind of "dead") or villains gearing up to end the world.

Did you magically forget KH2 had a secret ending that people were theorizing about since day 0 of the launch of the game? The keyblade graveyard with the 3 mysterious people? People freaked out over that. And that the fate of Namine and Roxas was tragic because it was either fade into nothing or live on inside Sora/Kairi? Sure they didn't die, but it's not like they had a great ending

ellis123 posted...

Generally speaking, yes it does. You just have to play a bunch of games on a bunch of platforms in order. Several of which a remakes that just so happen to have a couple of random new additions that impact the plot, and you are expected to 100% every game sans 1.

Why do people still say this?

Every game is available on the PS4.

Blue_Inigo posted...

Did you magically forget KH2 had a secret ending that people were theorizing about since day 0 of the launch of the game? The keyblade graveyard with the 3 mysterious people? People freaked out over that. And that the fate of Namine and Roxas was tragic because it was either fade into nothing or live on inside Sora/Kairi? Sure they didn't die, but it's not like they had a great ending

I didn't magically forget, I deliberately disregarded. The BBS teaser didn't explicitly concern any characters we knew about and it was much more an ad than a cutscene for KH2.

And yeah, Roxas and Namine's ending in 2 is sad, but the scene with them between the final boss phases and the final shot of them living through Sora and Kairi definitely played it as a good thing. In 2, all the Nobodies wanted was to be whole again, and this was painted as the way to make it happen. It was only after that when the games decided Roxas and Namine needed to be their own people.

ellis123 posted...

Generally speaking, yes it does. You just have to play a bunch of games on a bunch of platforms in order. Several of which a remakes that just so happen to have a couple of random new additions that impact the plot, and you are expected to 100% every game sans 1.

Legit the only way to understand the story completely is to add some head canon to the overall plot assuming what the director meant or would have meant for certain parts of the story.

--Zero- posted...

Legit the only way to understand the story completely is to add some head canon to the overall plot assuming what the director meant or would have meant for certain parts of the story.

Or you know play the bulk of the games and just pay attention to the story.

I don't get the confusion tbh lol. Especially now that you can binge play/watch the whole series so you don't have an information gap due to disinterest/time/separate consoles. The games are all extremely heavy handed with their writing and exposition, they don't do any showing whatsoever; it's all telling. Very repetitive telling. There isn't anything to actually think about. The writers certainly didn't think too hard about their own story, they were more interested in serial escalation and making things seem deeper than they are by having a shit ton of useless characters that all serve as macguffins in some fashion lol.

Baha05 posted...

Because you are choosing to make it difficult.

Heartless are created by those who lose their hearts to darkness

Nobodies are created when a person with falls to darkness and is the leftover husk.

Yeah, just last week my GF cheated with me with my best friend and then suddenly became an evil shadow version of herself. Jokes on her cause her nobodies hot af and things are going great with her.

I kept good track of the lore until the mobile games took the reigns.

Nomura was even concerned that Sora being in Smash would mess with Kingdom Hearts' lore, which is just hilarious to me:
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2022/06/tetsuya-nomura-reveals-he-was-picky-about-sora-in-super-smash-bros-ultimate