Current Events > The DoJ has published more info about the Maralago raid.

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CableZL
08/31/22 9:20:13 AM
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/justice-department-responds-trump-special-master-request-mar-a-lago-search/

Federal prosecutors told the court that in some instances, "even the FBI counterintelligence personnel and DOJ attorneys conducting the review" of the records seized in this month's search required additional clearances before they could review certain documents, suggesting that they found the records to be extremely sensitive.

Records taken from the White House to Mar-a-Lago were stored in a single location, a lawyer for Trump present on June 3 told federal officials: a storage room on the property, the Justice Department said in its response. A preliminary review of the documents conducted by the FBI revealed the envelope contained "38 unique documents bearing classification markings, including 5 documents marked as CONFIDENTIAL, 16 documents marked as SECRET, and 17 documents marked as TOP SECRET."

"Counsel for the former president offered no explanation as to why boxes of government records, including 38 documents with classification markings, remained at the premises nearly five months after the production of the Fifteen Boxes and nearly one-and-a-half years after the end of the administration," Justice Department lawyers told the court.

But after the June 3 meeting at Mar-a-Lago, the FBI, according to the response, claims it uncovered "multiple sources of evidence" that indicated more classified documents remained at the property and that a search of the storage room "would not have uncovered all the classified documents at the premises." Prosecutors added, "the government also developed evidence that government records were likely concealed and removed from the storage room and that efforts were likely taken to obstruct the government's investigation."

"That the FBI, in a matter of hours, recovered twice as many documents with classification markings as the 'diligent search' that the former president's counsel and other representatives had weeks to perform calls into serious question the representations made in the June 3 certification and casts doubt on the extent of cooperation in this matter," the filing asserts.

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Trump put himself in a really bad position here.
  • His lawyer (I believe it was Christina Bobb) signed an affidavit in June, under penalty of perjury, that they had given any and all documents back. This was a lie. So she's now likely going to have to testify about this.
  • Multiple so-far-unnamed individuals within Trump's orbit reported that there were still classified documents at Maralago
  • The DoJ gets a search warrant and the FBI goes to get them.
  • Trump started the conspiracy theories. At first, he said the FBI planted the documents they found. This didn't work.
  • Trump then said the he declassified all the documents he had. The espionage law doesn't differentiate between whether documents are classified or declassified. It simply specifies that it's a crime to mishandle NDI (national defense information). Trump saying over and over that he declassified the documents he had at Maralago is an admission that he had them. He was absolutely not supposed to have these documents at Maralago.


Documents marked TS/SCI (Top Secret / Sensitive Compartmented Information) can only be viewed in a SCIF (Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility). A SCIF is a highly secured room in which you aren't allowed to bring in any electronics at all to view the documents they hold. Phones, computers, fitness trackers, video games, etc.

Another mystery is who the fuck gave Trump all this shit. The FBI is fingerprinting all of the documents they found to see if they can find out who handled them.

The with the red cover page at the bottom of the picture has an HCS (HUMINT Control System) marking on it, which means it's a document with information about human intelligence. That document being in Trump's position for over a year and a half possibly puts our spies around the world at risk.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/05/us/politics/cia-informants-killed-captured.html

It was reported in October of 2021 that the CIA was complaining about "troubling numbers of informants recruited from other countries to spy for the United States being captured or killed."

This is really bad. There is a much higher than zero chance that Trump sold them out for profit.

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Holy_Cloud105
08/31/22 9:26:09 AM
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Too bad all of this means nothing and nothing of consequence will happen.

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angeleyes94
08/31/22 9:28:49 AM
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He can't keep getting away with it!?

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Jagr_68
08/31/22 9:31:52 AM
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when jail

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BuckVanHammer
08/31/22 9:33:17 AM
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Holy_Cloud105 posted...
Too bad all of this means nothing and nothing of consequence will happen.
If they can link an informants death directly to him and these documents I would think there would be consequences

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DarkRoast
08/31/22 9:34:24 AM
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But what about Hunter Biden's laptop and Hillary's emails

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Holy_Cloud105
08/31/22 9:36:28 AM
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BuckVanHammer posted...
If they can link an informants death directly to him and these documents I would think there would be consequences
That's a good joke. He will never get charged. DoJ will just compile all this shit and then do nothing about it. Especially when Republicans win the midterms and neuter them and obstruct anything else from happening.

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CableZL
08/31/22 9:39:26 AM
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Holy_Cloud105 posted...
That's a good joke. He will never get charged. DoJ will just compile all this s*** and then do nothing about it. Especially when Republicans win the midterms and neuter them and obstruct anything else from happening.
Congress doesn't have the ability to obstruct a federal criminal investigation.

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DipDipDiver
08/31/22 9:40:12 AM
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DarkRoast posted...
But what about Hunter Biden's laptop and Hillary's emails
Those were also at Mar-a-lago, being used to prop up a coffee table
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RchHomieQuanChi
08/31/22 9:42:39 AM
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Holy_Cloud105 posted...
That's a good joke. He will never get charged. DoJ will just compile all this shit and then do nothing about it. Especially when Republicans win the midterms and neuter them and obstruct anything else from happening.

It's looking more and more likely that Democrats will take the Senate, with a lesser chance that they also keep the House

But also yeah, Congress can't obstruct a federal investigation

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DarkRoast
08/31/22 9:44:12 AM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
It's looking more and more likely that Democrats will take the Senate, with a lesser chance that they also keep the House

But also yeah, Congress can't obstruct a federal investigation

Yeah and technically neither can the president, but ask Mueller how that panned out

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Incurso91
08/31/22 9:44:31 AM
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DarkRoast posted...
But what about Hunter Biden's laptop and Hillary's emails
I have a co-worker who made this statement while talking about the raid. His other comment was "It's all political." He complains about liberals and left-wing politics all the time. Annoying shit.
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CableZL
08/31/22 9:46:48 AM
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DarkRoast posted...
Yeah and technically neither can the president, but ask Mueller how that panned out
The difference there is that Bill Bar was running the DoJ and allowing Trump to influence how the DoJ ran that investigation.

Biden is letting Merrick Garland run the DoJ unobstructed.

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DarkRoast
08/31/22 9:48:21 AM
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Incurso91 posted...
I have a co-worker who made this statement while talking about the raid. His other comment was "It's all political." He complains about liberals and left-wing politics all the time. Annoying shit.

Clinton turned over everything and cooperated with the DOJ's requests.
Also, it wasn't a felony when Clinton did it (it is now, thanks to Trump)
Also, Clinton lost the election because of it

Soooooooo

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wackyteen
08/31/22 9:51:26 AM
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If I took home a single Secret document, even having a Secret clearance, without permission, I'd get fucked for life.

17 Top Secret documents? WITH National Defense Information? Just throw the whole bus under another bus

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WrkHrdPlayHrdr
08/31/22 9:53:46 AM
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This is the part I'm confused on.

But after the June 3 meeting at Mar-a-Lago, the FBI, according to the response, claims it uncovered "multiple sources of evidence" that indicated more classified documents remained at the property and that a search of the storage room "would not have uncovered all the classified documents at the premises." Prosecutors added, "the government also developed evidence that government records were likely concealed and removed from the storage room and that efforts were likely taken to obstruct the government's investigation."

If he knew they were coming and hid documents why did he not hide all the documents? He hid some but not enough that he wouldn't get in trouble?

It's possible he only hid documents that related to one specific thing he was trying to block but I dunno.


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DarkRoast
08/31/22 9:57:47 AM
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WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...
This is the part I'm confused on.

If he knew they were coming and hid documents why did he not hide all the documents? He hid some but not enough that he wouldn't get in trouble?

It's possible he only hid documents that related to one specific thing he was trying to block but I dunno.

Because Trump is not smart


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wackyteen
08/31/22 10:04:19 AM
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WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...
This is the part I'm confused on.

If he knew they were coming and hid documents why did he not hide all the documents? He hid some but not enough that he wouldn't get in trouble?

It's possible he only hid documents that related to one specific thing he was trying to block but I dunno.

It was a 'calculated' move.

He tried to give them enough to placate them but the government doesn't give a fuck, it knows what it is missing.

If he tried to hide them a second time, then truly nasty charges would likely have followed.

the government knows there's a lack of precedence for this all, so they were just trying the least volatile methods from the get go, and escalate only as necessary.

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josifrees
08/31/22 10:09:40 AM
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CIA dusting off the heart attack gun

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DarkRoast
08/31/22 10:12:32 AM
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josifrees posted...
CIA dusting off the heart attack gun

They had a Dumb Ray, but they were afraid it might actually improve Trump's intelligence

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Takuya_Lee
08/31/22 10:23:32 AM
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Holy_Cloud105 posted...
Too bad all of this means nothing and nothing of consequence will happen.

Wrong. He got raided. That itself is a consequence and he's going to get indicted for this.

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SodomInsane
08/31/22 10:26:42 AM
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So Im confused. Is Trump going to get away with this because the FBI werent cleared to see Top Secret stuff? Then how would they know a crime was committed?

I thought cops had immunity from that. Kind of like in order to see if someone has CP on a device they have to probably view the CP.

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WingsOfGood
08/31/22 10:28:55 AM
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SodomInsane posted...
So Im confused. Is Trump going to get away with this because the FBI werent cleared to see Top Secret stuff? Then how would they know a crime was committed?

I thought cops had immunity from that. Kind of like in order to see if someone has CP on a device they have to probably view the CP.

They were cleared.This is just showing how much Trump was selling government secrets to Russia and friends.
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Popcorn2000
08/31/22 10:29:49 AM
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DarkRoast posted...
But what about Hunter Biden's laptop and Hillary's emails
Asking the real questions
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SergeantGander
08/31/22 10:32:08 AM
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CableZL posted...


* His lawyer (I believe it was Christina Bobb) signed an affidavit in June, under penalty of perjury, that they had given any and all documents back. This was a lie. So she's now likely going to have to testify about this.


"I don't remember"

"I am not sure"

"I can't say I recall"

and then she walks free, like they always do lmao


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FunkyCat
08/31/22 10:35:19 AM
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Time to give him his fifth final warning and no McDonalds for a week!

That will teach him

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wackyteen
08/31/22 10:35:43 AM
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SodomInsane posted...
So Im confused. Is Trump going to get away with this because the FBI werent cleared to see Top Secret stuff? Then how would they know a crime was committed?

I thought cops had immunity from that. Kind of like in order to see if someone has CP on a device they have to probably view the CP.
He may 'get away' with it just because they don't want the years long, drawn out legal battle.

Best prize we get out of this is banning him from running for office ever again

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DarkRoast
08/31/22 10:36:33 AM
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SergeantGander posted...
"I don't remember"

"I am not sure"

"I can't say I recall"

and then she walks free, like they always do lmao

Doesn't really work that way with signed affidavits from lawyers

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Popcorn2000
08/31/22 10:37:50 AM
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wackyteen posted...
He may 'get away' with it just because they don't want the years long, drawn out legal battle.

Best prize we get out of this is banning him from running for office ever again

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littlebro07
08/31/22 11:57:21 AM
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https://twitter.com/realGollumTrump/status/1564965695649103873?s=20&t=AEwahi0sbwUPbBoySbU2YA

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TomClark
08/31/22 12:03:13 PM
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littlebro07 posted...
https://twitter.com/realGollumTrump/status/1564965695649103873?s=20&t=AEwahi0sbwUPbBoySbU2YA

This account is, with hyperbole, the greatest thing to happen to the internet.

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wackyteen
08/31/22 12:13:08 PM
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I'm actually surprised he didn't destroy the information

Guess he's smart enough to know that that would be a crime

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FortuneCookie
08/31/22 12:15:04 PM
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None of this matters if there isn't some accountability. Either throw him in prison or go ahead and crown him King Trump the 1st. Because, unless Trump can be convinced to leave this country and never return, those are honestly you're only two options here.

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TomClark
08/31/22 12:15:25 PM
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wackyteen posted...
I'm actually surprised he didn't destroy the information

Guess he's smart enough to know that that would be a crime

IIRC the DOJ doc does make reference to finding evidence of an attempt to destroy some of the files.

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CableZL
08/31/22 12:17:35 PM
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wackyteen posted...
I'm actually surprised he didn't destroy the information

Guess he's smart enough to know that that would be a crime
This is the DoJ's filing from last night:
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763.48.0.pdf

Page 5, bottom of the first paragraph:

The NARA Referral was made on two bases: evidence that classified records had been stored at the Premises until mid January 2022, and evidence that certain pages of Presidential records had been torn up.

That's in reference to NARA referring the case to the DoJ once they realized Trump had classified documents.

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DarkRoast
08/31/22 12:18:17 PM
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https://twitter.com/RisetteMD/status/1565009453606387713?s=20&t=QpkjdvfioETMjLA4wQACJg

Decided to add my own

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CableZL
08/31/22 12:18:20 PM
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FortuneCookie posted...
None of this matters if there isn't some accountability. Either throw him in prison or go ahead and crown him King Trump the 1st. Because, unless Trump can be convinced to leave this country and never return, those are honestly you're only two options here.

<_<

Yeah, but they have to get it right. They pretty much have one shot at this. There's also the possibility that Trump is likely not the only one being investigated in this regard.

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wackyteen
08/31/22 12:19:29 PM
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CableZL posted...
This is the DoJ's filing from last night:
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763.48.0.pdf

Page 5, bottom of the first paragraph:

The NARA Referral was made on two bases: evidence that classified records had been stored at the Premises until mid January 2022, and evidence that certain pages of Presidential records had been torn up.

That's in reference to NARA referring the case to the DoJ once they realized Trump had classified documents.
I meant wholly destroy. IE shredded and burned

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CableZL
08/31/22 12:21:03 PM
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wackyteen posted...
I meant wholly destroy. IE shredded and burned
I wouldn't be surprised if the entire reason Trump was complaining about water regulations as it pertains to toilets not flushing properly was because he couldn't flush documents well enough.

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TetsuoS2
08/31/22 12:42:23 PM
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littlebro07 posted...
https://twitter.com/realGollumTrump/status/1564965695649103873?s=20&t=AEwahi0sbwUPbBoySbU2YA

holy shit this is great

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CableZL
08/31/22 4:39:56 PM
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https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/31/days-before-mar-a-lago-subpoena-trump-lawyer-claimed-she-scoured-trumps-office-closets-00054369

The attorney, Alina Habba, told a New York State court that on May 5, she conducted a search of Trumps private residence and office at Mar-a-Lago that was so diligent it included all desks, drawers, nightstands, dressers, closets, etc. She was looking for records in response to a subpoena issued by New York Attorney General Letitia James, who is investigating matters related to the Trump Organization.

Another one of Trump's lawyers was responding to a subpoena from New York AG Letitia James, and she scoured Maralago about 6 days before the FBI raid. So now the DoJ is wondering if she handled any of these classified documents. She'll likely be interviewed.

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FigureOfSpeech
08/31/22 4:41:48 PM
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DarkRoast posted...
But what about Hunter Biden's laptop and Hillary's emails


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silverpine
08/31/22 4:42:58 PM
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they should make a videogame about being trump's lawyer
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DarkRoast
08/31/22 4:46:37 PM
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silverpine posted...
they should make a videogame about being trump's lawyer

It'd be like Phoenix Wright except you're Glass Joe from Punch Out

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mustachedmystic
08/31/22 5:18:53 PM
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Ive said this a thousand times, and Ill say it a thousand times more, for the love of god, vote! If all Democratic leaning voters showed up to the polls, the Republicans would never hold either chamber or the White House ever again. There are more of us then them, but they vote more.

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Tyranthraxus
08/31/22 5:20:45 PM
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wackyteen posted...
I'm actually surprised he didn't destroy the information

Guess he's smart enough to know that that would be a crime
He literally tore up documents and tried to flush them down the toilet and others were taped back together by white House staff.

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DarkRoast
08/31/22 6:06:19 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
He literally tore up documents and tried to flush them down the toilet and others were taped back together by white House staff.

The fact that he had a disturbingly reckless disregard for classified information, and was warned about it repeatedly by staffers, has been well documented for years.

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