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transience
08/27/22 9:23:10 AM
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there's another thread on the dual kickstarter, but it didn't feel right without me creating a thread on the new Shadow Hearts game. I mean just look at this thing. I've been staring at this picture for 24 hours now and keep coming back to it.

https://i.imgur.com/Vo0gAdb.jpeg

Fusion, the SH2 combo meter, SP, it's all there. here's the PR for it. we'll see more in a couple days when the kickstarter launches.

The easy to learn, difficult to master Psycho Sigil battle system combines traditional turn-based JRPG strategy with twitch-trigger reaction time in order to maximize the potential of attacks, keeping players on their toes with every encounter. Players can embrace the darkness within by using Fusion to call upon the abyss and fight fire with fire, harnessing the power of the darkness to hurl demons back from whence they came. Interactions with the demonic will affect the heroes Sanity Points. If players lose too many Sanity Points, their allies will succumb to madness, gaining strength and losing composure. However, that boost in power might be just what is needed to turn the tide in battle.

Returning to the helm as composer is Hirota Yoshitaka (of Shadow Hearts and Shadow Hearts: Covenant fame) to inject a sense of dread and eerie unease befitting of the atmosphere. And accompanying him is Akari Kaida of Breath of Fire 3, infusing a heavy dose of jazz into the Roaring Twenties setting.

This is my second chance. Chances to make another game like this are rare, so please give me your support, says lead game designer, Matsuzo Machida.

With direction from Matsuzo Machida, character design by Miyako Kato and music and sound composed by Yoshitaka Hirota and Akari Kaida, Penny Blood promises to sink its claws into players as it revives the darker side of Japanese RPGs.

hell yeah. I'll leave with this thing called Atam, which is almost a straight rip of Atman from SH1.

https://i.imgur.com/39eXBQI.jpeg


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UshiromiyaEva
08/27/22 9:43:11 AM
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No harm no fowl.

I am definitely very excited for this, and was disspponted that half my topic was people shitting on Pennyblood!

(I know it's Penny Blood, but like....come one, you know that was the wrong call)

I don't know the backend talent distribution or decisions that lead to Shadow Hearts' decline after 2 or Wild Arms' decline after 3, so I can't say for sure what names one should get excited about and which I shouldn't, but I'm willing to give it a shot either way.

With both games being completely different studios but with the same Kickstarters, I'm VERY curious as to what the pledging structure is going to be come Monday.

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transience
08/27/22 10:16:21 AM
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https://twitter.com/Coca_Colm/status/1563515207120744448

hello judgment ring (and hirota music)

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Rockdan
08/27/22 10:19:31 AM
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Oh hi I was checking to see if you heard about this yet, and look what topic is right at the top of the list

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Leonhart4
08/27/22 10:36:24 AM
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I'm not crazy about the name, but other than that, I'm hyped for this

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transcience
08/27/22 11:06:04 AM
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yeah I dont like the name either

then again, Shadow Hearts is a pretty generic name and has been confused for Kingdom Hearts for 20 years. Ive grown to like it though

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Leonhart4
08/27/22 11:48:07 AM
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Well, I guess my fear is that SH fans won't make the connection to this game being a spiritual successor

Although the fanbase is so small and rabid that my fear might be unfounded

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transcience
08/27/22 12:00:20 PM
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I think turn based JRPG fans will find this just because its a new one with a reasonable budget. its not like the early 2000s where there were 5 coming out every month. even stuff like Live a Live finds an audience now.

Im not worried about its success though because I just want to play another one of these after almost 20 years.

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Leonhart4
08/27/22 3:16:39 PM
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Yeah, that's fair. Games of this nature occupy a niche nowadays and fans of that niche will find it (including myself!).

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KamikazePotato
08/27/22 3:20:49 PM
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Penny Blood is a bad name, but the game looks cool, so who cares. New Shadow Hearts is very welcome.

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KamikazePotato
08/27/22 3:26:25 PM
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People have seen the gameplay clip right?

https://twitter.com/Coca_Colm/status/1563515207120744448

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Leonhart4
08/27/22 3:32:37 PM
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transience posted...
https://twitter.com/Coca_Colm/status/1563515207120744448

hello judgment ring (and hirota music)


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UshiromiyaEva
08/27/22 3:41:20 PM
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I will say...that clip kind of looks fake? Like it really reminds me of the obviously and intentionally fake gameplay in the NMH3 reveal, seem here at 1/25.

https://youtu.be/Td4YZG4B_yg

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transience
08/29/22 1:06:19 PM
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kickstarter is live:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/doublekickstarter/armed-fantasia-and-penny-blood

and there's some new yoshitaka hirota music!

https://soundcloud.com/penny-blood/fhathast-beo-penny-blood-main?utm_source=clipboard&utm_campaign=wtshare&utm_medium=widget&utm_content=https%253A%252F%252Fsoundcloud.com%252Fpenny-blood%252Ffhathast-beo-penny-blood-main

https://soundcloud.com/penny-blood/vicious-1923-normal-battle01?utm_source=clipboard&utm_campaign=wtshare&utm_medium=widget&utm_content=https%253A%252F%252Fsoundcloud.com%252Fpenny-blood%252Fvicious-1923-normal-battle01


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RikkuAlmighty
08/29/22 1:13:58 PM
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Oh god how much do I pledge

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_stingers_
08/29/22 1:21:00 PM
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Ive never played shadow hearts but I kinda want to back this just for the hell of it. Jrpgs need loving too

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transience
08/29/22 1:22:51 PM
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I went for $60 for the penny blood + digital ost option. hopefully the wild arms spinoff is good and I know you love those games, so you should probably go for both at the very least!

the pitch video absolutely killed me. I got a tear in my eye at the end which is so weird for such a cheesy video but man, it's shadow hearts 4

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MacArrowny
08/29/22 1:25:43 PM
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Kinda surprised they only have one stretch goal. Wonder if they'll expand that.

UshiromiyaEva posted...
I will say...that clip kind of looks fake? Like it really reminds me of the obviously and intentionally fake gameplay in the NMH3 reveal, seem here at 1/25.

https://youtu.be/Td4YZG4B_yg
It is fake. They said it's from a prototype they created.

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UshiromiyaEva
08/29/22 1:34:03 PM
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11,000
ABOUT $80

Not that I'm complaining, but what the hell happened to the yen??

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_stingers_
08/29/22 1:41:06 PM
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I thought it used to be around 100 yen per dollar? So now it's like 140? That's a pretty big jump yeah

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UshiromiyaEva
08/29/22 1:45:29 PM
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Penny to yen was pretty damn safe as a rough estimation not that long ago.

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RikkuAlmighty
08/29/22 1:53:56 PM
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Guess Im going double digital

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KamikazePotato
08/29/22 1:54:56 PM
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Those big pledge tiers are wild. For $4000, you can help design an enemy, or a song, or voice a character, or put your pet into the game. If I was rich I would totally get all of those.

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transience
08/29/22 2:00:14 PM
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I think they're just for whales who have money to blow and a dream to get this going. I bet they'd rather not do those things but hey anything for money.

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TheManaSword
08/29/22 2:02:45 PM
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spend $4000 to get shloop shloop splat into the game

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UshiromiyaEva
08/29/22 2:04:22 PM
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transience posted...
I bet they'd rather not do those things but hey anything for money.

They should have learned from the Undertale controversy!

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KamikazePotato
08/29/22 2:07:12 PM
#27:


Oh it's a great idea to pad kickstarter numbers.

Here's how the pledge distribution is breaking down so far:

Armed Fantasia Digital - 134 backers
Penny Heart Digital - 56 backers

AF Physical - 61 backers
PH Physical - 33 backers

Both Digital - 604 backers
Both Physical - 645 backers

While AF is the more popular of the duo (no surprises), I think the dual kickstarter gimmick is turning out to be an excellent idea that strongly benefits both games.

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KamikazePotato
08/29/22 2:08:33 PM
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UshiromiyaEva posted...
They should have learned from the Undertale controversy!
People forget that Muffet was also a Kickstarter character, and she's super popular. Sometimes it works fine. Sometimes you get the floatong neckbeard photos in Bloodstained.

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transience
08/29/22 2:12:08 PM
#29:


I really hope this hits the stretch goal of coming to consoles because otherwise those physical copies are going to be pretty weird

(it'll come there regardless, I'm pretty sure)

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SHINE_GET_64
08/29/22 2:19:55 PM
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only 1 million yen to be in the JRPG Inner Circle hmmmmmm


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_stingers_
08/29/22 2:56:52 PM
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I hadn't played wild arms or shadow hearts but the edge of the darkness appeals to me more than the other one so I just got the penny blood digital. I'm surprised there's an overwhelming majority for people getting both. Are these two franchises closely related to begin with or something?

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RikkuAlmighty
08/29/22 3:12:31 PM
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transience posted...
I think they're just for whales who have money to blow and a dream to get this going. I bet they'd rather not do those things but hey anything for money.
I may have spent a few minutes daydreaming of buying my way into a VA booth for one of these games and jumpstarting my career as a voice actor.

but Im poor and am not an actor

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RikkuAlmighty
08/29/22 3:16:06 PM
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_stingers_ posted...
I hadn't played wild arms or shadow hearts but the edge of the darkness appeals to me more than the other one so I just got the penny blood digital. I'm surprised there's an overwhelming majority for people getting both. Are these two franchises closely related to begin with or something?
No. But for a very specific subset of people like me, this is a dream come true double-whammy revival of two series I was pretty sure were dead/doomed to mobile games.

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31Veteran
08/29/22 3:35:44 PM
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I really want to get the both physical pack but I'm going to wait to see how much extra loot we get for doing the kickstarter over just waiting for them to go to retail.

The reason I want to do both is mostly that I just really like jrpgs, and even though I never tried Shadow Hearts it seems pretty popular. If I was forced to do just one it would probably be the Wild Arms one but thankfully I don't have to make a choice like that.

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transience
08/29/22 5:19:35 PM
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I have to say, I haven't enjoyed watching some numbers go up on a webpage this much since Samus rocked Solid Snake in the last character battle

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KamikazePotato
08/29/22 5:29:42 PM
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I'm trying to figure out how this early performance indicates what the final total will be. Eiyuden Chronicles seems like the closest analogue, being another JRPG revival, and it made around $1.4 million on its first day and ended up at over $4 million by the end of 30 days. Also how the fuck did a Suikoden revival do so well, it's the 3rd-most popular video game kickstarter of all time.

If AF+PB reaches around $700,000 by the end of its first day (which is looking easily doable), that means by the end of 30 days it should have over $2 million. That's really good. Honestly way better than I was expecting when this was first announced.

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UshiromiyaEva
08/29/22 5:40:46 PM
#37:


Always a worry to me when console is a stretch goal, because if it doesn't look like it's going to meet it you could see a bunch of people pulling out towards the end.

Me, for example, no way do I put the money in if it's PC only.

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transience
08/29/22 6:24:17 PM
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Suikoden is bigger than Wild Arms which is bigger than Shadow Hearts. I would say that this is tracking to hit a little over 1 million. this is definitely going to be frontloaded given the cult status of these games, especially Shadow Hearts.

that said, this launched at 2am Japan time and it's only 7:30am there. if you look at the community tab, even the UK has more backers than Japan right now. if Japan backs this like you'd think they would, it could go up a lot faster.

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KamikazePotato
08/29/22 6:47:38 PM
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Almost every kickstarter is frontloaded, but the legs would have to drop off very hard to only hit $1 million after thirty days. For reference, here's the trends for Eiyuden Chronicles (can you tell how much I miss contests):

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/3/5/AAIpcmAADndD.png

If you want the WRPG niche equivalent, here's the trends for Tides of Numenera, the successor to Planescape Torment:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/3/8/AAIpcmAADndG.png

And one for Yooka-Layle because why not.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/3/7/AAIpcmAADndF.png

Even the super frontloaded games had a decent Day 2. We'll see where things up, but I'm honestly fairly confident this gets to $2 million.

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AxemRedRanger
08/29/22 6:50:50 PM
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KamikazePotato posted... I'm trying to figure out how this early performance indicates what the final total will be. Eiyuden Chronicles seems like the closest analogue, being another JRPG revival, and it made around $1.4 million on its first day and ended up at over $4 million by the end of 30 days. Also how the fuck did a Suikoden revival do so well, it's the 3rd-most popular video game kickstarter of all time.

Suikoden II has been celebrated as one of the top PS1 JRPGs by critics and fans for like 20 years now and it's even available on PSN. Its audience might not have sufficiently been there for it in 1999 or even for V in 2006 but I gotta assume that's had some beneficial effect. Anyone in the 2020s who's still interested in "good ole days" JRPGs or whatever should know about that franchise by this point.

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transience
08/29/22 6:51:04 PM
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I obviously hope you're right. I'm keeping my expectations low on purpose, probably. I've been beaten down by how unpopular Shadow Hearts is for 2 decades now, but maybe Wild Arms is a big enough draw and the double dip aspect of this probably means that it gets close to double what it normally would.

also I feel bad that this became the update topic since the Wild Arms game got short changed in favor of Penny Blood. my bad. it's certainly the bigger game of the two.

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RikkuAlmighty
08/29/22 7:11:14 PM
#42:


I am a little sad that they seem to have gotten rid of WA4 and 5s hex grid battle system. But more wild arms is more wild arms.

ive been whistling the WA5 battle theme all day without realizing it

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Hbthebattle
08/29/22 8:06:34 PM
#43:


its halfway to the normal goal in less than a day, its getting there

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Xiahou_Shake
08/29/22 9:47:09 PM
#44:


Guess this is the general topic for both Kickstarters?

https://soundcloud.com/armed-fantasia/when-fate-triggers-you

I haven't played any of the Wild Arms games but this song is HOT. Maybe need to check this series out if they have the same composer.

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UshiromiyaEva
08/29/22 9:51:46 PM
#45:


I almost feel like we should make a third, clean topic with all the links to the site and the released media in the first post, lol.

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KamikazePotato
08/29/22 9:51:50 PM
#46:


I never got into Wild Arms but all the music I've heard during the VGMusic Contests has been really good.

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transience
08/29/22 10:00:49 PM
#47:


someone can make a new topic if you want.

looks like Japan woke up. the UK and Canada were ahead of them in donations and Japan is in a clear second now. I feel like I'm analyzing the Nintendo hour or something.


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Leonhart4
08/29/22 10:05:12 PM
#48:


did someone say trend charts

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_stingers_
08/29/22 10:08:49 PM
#49:


Just edit the links into the OP

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transience
08/29/22 10:13:14 PM
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lol gamefaqs

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