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zado19
08/20/22 6:35:03 AM
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MrAndersonWb posted...
hopefully not, Id fear for their safety :(

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ViewtifulJoe
08/20/22 6:42:22 AM
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So what, are the school shooters being encouraged to start with the guard so they might get an additional gun free?
This does not look right or sound sane.

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ffmasterjose
08/20/22 7:10:34 AM
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Lol @ the end of that tweet, We DonT neEd tO dEBaTe

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FortuneCookie
08/20/22 11:00:59 AM
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bigblu89 posted...
Oh. So he gets shot first is what youre saying, then everything just becomes a normal school shooting.

Got it.

What I'm saying is no one is going to attack a school guarded by a combat veteran.

People are acting like some shooter is going to see himself as the bad guy in a stagy old western and challenge the top gun for the right to shoot up the school. If shooters were like that, they'd go after places that they knew were guarded. We'd be seeing headlines about people going into police stations and opening fire. That typically doesn't happen. They target places where they believe they can catch people off-guard and do what they will with little or no resistance.

That school is one of the safest in America.
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Kami_no_Kami
08/20/22 11:11:37 AM
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https://youtu.be/-hyttagGsz0

But trains=guns, and governor lady=governor massive pile of shit wearing a tie.
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MedeaLysistrata
08/20/22 11:13:51 AM
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let's not overestimate how efficient a soldier is. still a regular person that can fuck up.

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Sufferedphoneix
08/20/22 11:59:51 AM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
let's not overestimate how efficient a soldier is. still a regular person that can fuck up.

It's more a deterrent. A shooter wants the least amount of obstacles. Worst case scenario shooter goes for him first. Still buys everyone else time or doesn't help at all which case didn't matter if he was there or not.

Bring able to take his gun is a lame argument you could say the same about cops. Only a special kinda crazy would attempt to take on a combat veteran to get his gun unless he already had something good enough.

I'd hope anyways this guard doesn't just sit there and wait for shit to hit the fan but actively scrutinizes anyone who looks out of place. Can't always be 100% but working in a prison anytime something even feels off to me I keep my back to a wall so no one can sneak up behind me

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MedeaLysistrata
08/20/22 12:00:50 PM
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Sufferedphoneix posted...
It's more a deterrent. A shooter wants the least amount of obstacles. Worst case scenario shooter goes for him first. Still buys everyone else time or doesn't help at all which case didn't matter if he was there or not.

Bring able to take his gun is a lame argument you could say the same about cops. Only a special kinda crazy would attempt to take on a combat veteran to get his gun unless he already had something good enough.

I'd hope anyways this guard doesn't just sit there and wait for shit to hit the fan but actively scrutinizes anyone who looks out of place. Can't always be 100% but working in a prison anytime something even feels off to me I keep my back to a wall so no one can sneak up behind me
Even as a deterrent it's just getting people used to seeing soldiers in the streets. I've seen that in Jamaica and it certainly is deterring, lol

A vet is not an active soldier to be sure, but still, this seems like the MI complex in full force

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Kloe_Rinz
08/20/22 12:01:27 PM
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Why do Americans think police and armed guards at school are good things?
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BaphometFlux
08/20/22 12:01:49 PM
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This is going to end badly someday, America just doesnt learn.

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Sayoria
08/20/22 1:53:05 PM
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Kami_no_Kami posted...
https://youtu.be/-hyttagGsz0

But trains=guns, and governor lady=governor massive pile of shit wearing a tie.

Literally the state of the Massachusetts Bay Transit Authority. So many trains and buses catching on fire and going off the rails that the Governor just shut down one line for a whole month and people are pissed.

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FortuneCookie
08/20/22 2:04:04 PM
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Guns are, at present, an inseparable part of American culture. Your best appeal to reason and your most cutting insult will do nothing to get people to lay down their arms.

The solution to the gun problem in America isn't years in the making -- it's decades away. Removing the underlining motivators and recognizing the warning signs are ultimately the solution for dealing with guns. But for now, the guns are already on the streets. They are already in the hands of the wrong people. Having individuals whose job it is to deal with that threat is more practical than finger waving about how stupid and violent people are.
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RenescoStCewl
08/20/22 2:16:47 PM
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FortuneCookie posted...
What I'm saying is no one is going to attack a school guarded by a combat veteran.

People are acting like some shooter is going to see himself as the bad guy in a stagy old western and challenge the top gun for the right to shoot up the school. If shooters were like that, they'd go after places that they knew were guarded. We'd be seeing headlines about people going into police stations and opening fire. That typically doesn't happen. They target places where they believe they can catch people off-guard and do what they will with little or no resistance.

That school is one of the safest in America.
Have you not seen any stories of school shooters or something? They all go into it planning on dying. If someone plans on shooting this school up they aren't going to be afraid of this guy. They will just shoot him first and take his rifle

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LightHawKnight
08/20/22 2:25:42 PM
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FortuneCookie posted...
Guns are, at present, an inseparable part of American culture. Your best appeal to reason and your most cutting insult will do nothing to get people to lay down their arms.

The solution to the gun problem in America isn't years in the making -- it's decades away. Removing the underlining motivators and recognizing the warning signs are ultimately the solution for dealing with guns. But for now, the guns are already on the streets. They are already in the hands of the wrong people. Having individuals whose job it is to deal with that threat is more practical than finger waving about how stupid and violent people are.

The thing is, the most of us dont want to get rid of guns. We want more CONTROL over guns. Set up red flag laws. Setup stricter requirements to own a gun. Get some mental health testing. A license that needs to be renewed like a car license.

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bigblu89
08/20/22 2:30:50 PM
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FortuneCookie posted...
What I'm saying is no one is going to attack a school guarded by a combat veteran.

People are acting like some shooter is going to see himself as the bad guy in a stagy old western and challenge the top gun for the right to shoot up the school. If shooters were like that, they'd go after places that they knew were guarded. We'd be seeing headlines about people going into police stations and opening fire. That typically doesn't happen. They target places where they believe they can catch people off-guard and do what they will with little or no resistance.

That school is one of the safest in America.
Yes. Because people that are mass shooters are the most stable group, and will take that into account.

As opposed to just making sure thats the first guy the gun down before moving on to the rest of the innocent victims.

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Antifar
08/20/22 2:33:06 PM
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FortuneCookie posted...
Guns are, at present, an inseparable part of American culture.
Then every day spent not separating them from American culture is a day of kicking the can down the road. "This process will take a long time" is a poor justification for not starting the process.

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FortuneCookie
08/20/22 2:33:12 PM
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RenescoStCewl posted...
Have you not seen any stories of school shooters or something? They all go into it planning on dying. If someone plans on shooting this school up they aren't going to be afraid of this guy. They will just shoot him first and take his rifle

They plan to die by their own hand once it's all over; once they've killed enough people to shock the nation and write their name into infamy. And, sometimes, they earnestly plan to escape. They don't plan to be killed 40 seconds into their rampage like the Greenwood Park Mall shooter in Indiana.

This offers protection for schools and employment for veterans. I'm sorry that it means more guns, or the normalization of guns in the hands of responsible users, but it is our best response in the immediate future.
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bigblu89
08/20/22 2:33:42 PM
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FortuneCookie posted...


Having individuals whose job it is to deal with that threat is more practical than finger waving about how stupid and violent people are.

Yes. As Americas police force shooting unarmed individuals has proven time and time again that we just need more good guys with guns.

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Pepys_Monster
08/20/22 2:34:58 PM
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wackyteen posted...
I wouldn't feel safe having a combat veteran being armed around kids.
Why is that?

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FortuneCookie
08/20/22 2:39:26 PM
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LightHawKnight posted...
The thing is, the most of us dont want to get rid of guns. We want more CONTROL over guns. Set up red flag laws. Setup stricter requirements to own a gun. Get some mental health testing. A license that needs to be renewed like a car license.

I'm in that camp. I don't believe civilians need automatics, semi-automatics, unregistered guns, excess guns, or excessive amounts of ammunition. I'm in full favor of background checks.

They didn't grab somebody off the street, hand him a gun, and tell him that he's in charge of security now. They chose someone with experience, someone who has undergone psychological evaluations, someone who is likely to be the best suited for the task at hand.

Antifar posted...
Then every day spent not separating them from American culture is a day of kicking the can down the road. "This process will take a long time" is a poor justification for not starting the process.

I'm not willing to treat the victims of shootings as sacrificial lambs to make a point that guns can never, ever be used in the cause of good. If we can protect them using guns, we need to protect them using any means at our disposal.

Go ahead and work on the underlining psychology of gun culture and gun violence. But in the meantime, let a trained professional protect the people they are trained to protect.
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FortuneCookie
08/20/22 2:45:43 PM
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bigblu89 posted...
Yes. As Americas police force shooting unarmed individuals has proven time and time again that we just need more good guys with guns.

police =/= soldiers
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bigblu89
08/20/22 2:47:29 PM
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FortuneCookie posted...
police =/= soldiers
True. Theres A LOT more cases of soldiers having issues with undiagnosed PTSD than police officers.

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tremain07
08/20/22 2:52:39 PM
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Florida schools where the teachers are either vets or spouse of vets, the curriculum is MERICA FUCK YEA FUCK THE LEFT and they are guarded with retired soldiers who may or may not suffer from mental heath issues.

Desantis is a monster that desirable citizens garbage especially makes me terrified of him as president

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08/20/22 2:55:34 PM
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hyperpowder posted...
still doesnt mean he suffers from mental problems

Doesn't mean that the school will know if he does either.

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FortuneCookie
08/20/22 2:59:51 PM
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bigblu89 posted...
True. Theres A LOT more cases of soldiers having issues with undiagnosed PTSD than police officers.

Police have a culture of preying upon minorities, of murdering people and claiming self-defense even against damning video evidence. You're far, far more likely to see police abuse their power than you are to see a retired soldier / active bodyguard do the same.
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bigblu89
08/20/22 3:17:38 PM
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FortuneCookie posted...
Police have a culture of preying upon minorities, of murdering people and claiming self-defense even against damning video evidence. You're far, far more likely to see police abuse their power than you are to see a retired soldier / active bodyguard do the same.

So youre sting theres a chance, albeit small, it may happen. Got it.


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FortuneCookie
08/20/22 3:56:27 PM
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bigblu89 posted...
So youre sting theres a chance, albeit small, it may happen. Got it.

There's a chance the teacher you hire is a child molester.
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bigblu89
08/20/22 4:07:57 PM
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FortuneCookie posted...
There's a chance the teacher you hire is a child molester.
No idea what that has to do with a soldier potentially snapping, or a deranged student with a death wish purposely choosing the school he knows already has extra firearms in it.

Do I know the solution? No. Do I think adding armed guards to schools will act like any sort of deterrent to someone already looking to do damage? Also no.

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FortuneCookie
08/20/22 4:52:39 PM
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bigblu89 posted...
No idea what that has to do with a soldier potentially snapping, or a deranged student with a death wish purposely choosing the school he knows already has extra firearms in it.

Do I know the solution? No. Do I think adding armed guards to schools will act like any sort of deterrent to someone already looking to do damage? Also no.

You wanted me to admit that there was a chance, however slim, that this person could be a danger. I was saying that there's a slim chance the teacher could be a danger. That's not a strawman. We have had documented cases of teachers sexually preying upon minors.

There is no 100% safe solution. But the threat that the protector is the source of danger is far lesser than the potential for an external threat.
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SauI_Goodman
08/20/22 4:55:56 PM
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BigYikes posted...
still infinitely better than having a cop do it.

Cop would just fart around anyway.

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Pepys_Monster
08/20/22 5:53:10 PM
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bigblu89 posted...
No idea what that has to do with a soldier potentially snapping, or a deranged student with a death wish purposely choosing the school he knows already has extra firearms in it.

Do I know the solution? No. Do I think adding armed guards to schools will act like any sort of deterrent to someone already looking to do damage? Also no.
Except it is a deterrent. A crazy shut in with minimal firearms training wouldn't want to get into a shootout with a military veteran.

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LightHawKnight
08/20/22 9:26:57 PM
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Pepys_Monster posted...
Except it is a deterrent. A crazy shut in with minimal firearms training wouldn't want to get into a shootout with a military veteran.

Not much of a deterrent when a lot of those shooters dont care if they make it out alive.

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Foppe
08/21/22 1:17:06 AM
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Pepys_Monster posted...
Except it is a deterrent. A crazy shut in with minimal firearms training wouldn't want to get into a shootout with a military veteran.
Is it a shootout if you shoot him in the back?

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