Current Events > So PETA is freaking horrible and abhorrent

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I was looking them up on Reddit, and its quite the rabbit hole.

Apparently their ultimate goal is to end all human/animal dominion, but to achieve this theyll steal your dog off your front porch. And then theyll promptly euthanize it because reasons, I guess? Apparently a dead dog is better off than a living happy dog with an owner. Its psychotic.

Idk the whole thing is mind blowing.

i would recommend looking into Deep Ecology if you don't already know and want to continue the rabbit hole.

some of it makes sense but it just seems like a bit too utopian. i kind of agree keeping pets is wrong, but i do have one and i don't fully buy into it.

there's a lot of misinformation about what PETA actually does. can you share your sources for these claims about what they do?

PETA kill more animals than basically anyone else around

MedeaLysistrata posted...

i would recommend looking into Deep Ecology if you don't already know and want to continue the rabbit hole.

some of it makes sense but it just seems like a bit too utopian. i kind of agree keeping pets is wrong, but i do have one and i don't fully buy into it.

How is keeping pets wrong?

Most animal rights activists cannot effectively weigh harm against benefit, imo.

People Euthanizing Thousands of Animals

I saw a PETA video where they filmed a raccoon being skinned alive and left alive. The poor thing was suffering so much after the skinning. I felt profoundly sad.

later I learned that there is a possibility that PETA staged the thing

Peta has always killed a majority of their animals. It used to be at 97% in 2009 but they dialed it back a little to 71% in 2021, but apparently that's just because they've been sending the animals to other kill shelters so their numbers can go down.

NeoShadowhen posted...

How is keeping pets wrong?

because the animal would die without you most likely. you're making a living being depend on you for your own personal enjoyment. (not you specifically)

Giant_Aspirin posted...

there's a lot of misinformation about what PETA actually does. can you share your sources for these claims about what they do?

I cant until Im back on my home computer. It was one of those things where someone mentions something in a comment, which lead to responses and links to more comments, and then articles backing it all up. (Which is why I called it a rabbit hole. Lol)

Plus some posted animal cruelty videos of PETA which I refuse to watch, so idk if I can even post it all on here anyway.

MedeaLysistrata posted...

because the animal would die without you most likely. you're making a living being depend on you for your own personal enjoyment. (not you specifically)

Domesticated animals would just die off without human companionship though. Not sure how that's better

Smashingpmkns posted...

Domesticated animals would just die off without human companionship though. Not sure how that's better

I guess, according to Deep Ecology, domestication was not a good thing.

The point is that we domesticated animals because they are useful to us, which is exactly the issue with exploitation more generally. Things only get valued if they have use value.

MedeaLysistrata posted...

because the animal would die without you most likely. you're making a living being depend on you for your own personal enjoyment. (not you specifically)

I suppose the argument is that it would be preferable for the animal to not exist at all rather than to have it be in dependent relationship with a human.

Smashingpmkns posted...

Domesticated animals would just die off without human companionship though.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/2/0/AAEhCpAADk1o.jpg

NeoShadowhen posted...

I suppose the argument is that it would be preferable for the animal to not exist at all rather than to have it be in dependent relationship with a human.

That's some fuckin' "decepticon logic", right there.

markconig posted...

Peta has always killed a majority of their animals. It used to be at 97% in 2009 but they dialed it back a little to 71% in 2021, but apparently that's just because they've been sending the animals to other kill shelters so their numbers can go down.

source?

i've seen claims like this, but what they're actually reporting on are the animals that PETA rescued from shelters that would have died regardless. again, there is a LOT of misinformation about PETA and what they actually do.

that said, i am not fully supporting all of what PETA does. but i do think it's important to combat misinformation.

edit: here's an article talking about why PETA euthanizes https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-peta-responsible-deaths-thousands-animals-1565532

tl;dr: PETA has euthanized tens of thousands of animals, according to data filed with the state of Virginia, but said that is to be expected with its open-door policy of taking in many animals no one else would accept.

COVxy posted...

Most animal rights activists cannot effectively weigh harm against benefit, imo.

Very true. Vegans don't properly weigh the noob pwning benefits of teh bac0n.

That should be illegal, it's similar shit that happens in China but replace euthanasia with slaughter for meat at the dog festival.

In the town where PETA is located they have a shelter and since 1998 have killed 40,000 animals at it.

Where as just down the road from it there is an ASPCA shelter that rehomes EVERY animal it receives.

PETA is just a barbaric society hiding behind the cover of "animal rights" so they can go around killing animals.

https://search.yahoo.com/search?p=PETA+shelter+kills+animals&fr=yset_ff_syc_widemail&type=default

Im still traumatized from watching a video where PETA put a bunch of dogs in a gas chamber and kills them. Those cries from those poor dogs still haunts me.

CassandraCroft posted...

Where as just down the road from it there is an ASPCA shelter that rehomes EVERY animal it receives.

does that ASPCA shelter accept any and all animals, regardless of health, etc? i find it hard to believe that dogs in horrible health with behavioral issues would have a 100% rehome rate. but if that's true, that's truly amazing and kudos to them.

The_Wheelman1 posted...

Im still traumatized from watching a video where PETA put a bunch of dogs in a gas chamber and kills them. Those cries from those poor dogs still haunts me.

wait until you find out how farmed pigs are killed

its done via gas chambers

Giant_Aspirin posted...

there's a lot of misinformation about what PETA actually does. can you share your sources for these claims about what they do?

There's a lot of misinformation shared by PETA. Everybody else has it right.

Relinquished posted...

There's a lot of misinformation shared by PETA. Everybody else has it right.

i'd love to read it, or anything else that 'proves' these claims

Giant_Aspirin posted...

does that ASPCA shelter accept any and all animals, regardless of health, etc? i find it hard to believe that dogs in horrible health with behavioral issues would have a 100% rehome rate. but if that's true, that's truly amazing and kudos to them.

I think they may put down Dogs and Cats that are in really bad health or have really bad behavioural problems but thats it. Which is understandable as who wants a violent animal or one that could be dead in a short space of time. They do not put down healthy animals unlike the criminals at PETA.

Giant_Aspirin posted...

wait until you find out how farmed pigs are killed

its done via gas chambers

I mean, is that not just about the most humane way to do that?

Whats the alternative?

CassandraCroft posted...

They do not put down healthy animals unlike the criminals at PETA.

can you provide a source for this claim?

edit: i also find it .... telling, that you originally claimed that shelter kills nothing, then you walked that back in the next post. which is it?

CassandraCroft posted...

Where as just down the road from it there is an ASPCA shelter that rehomes EVERY animal it receives.

just a few minutes later .....

CassandraCroft posted...

I think they may put down Dogs and Cats that are in really bad health or have really bad behavioural problems but thats it.

Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

I mean, is that not just about the most humane way to do that?

Whats the alternative?

in theory, it should be. but in practice, the farmers are not careful and things don't always go as planned. it's not uncommon to hear the pigs squeal in agony because the CO2 levels aren't calculated correctly, or there was another problem.

see https://sentientmedia.org/nothing-humane-about-killing-pigs-gas-chambers/

For any living being, pig or human, inhaling high concentrations of CO2 is like being burned from the inside out. With each panicked hyperventilation, the pigs draw the toxic fumes deeper into their bodies, simultaneously suffocating from the lack of oxygen and convulsing violently from the abrasive poison being pumped into their lungs.

The majority of large-scale pork producers around the world use the CO2 stunning method, claiming it is more humane than stunning animals with an electric prod.

The CO2 stun itself can take up to a minute. Pigs are herded into metal cages and then lowered into gas chambers, where they are gassed for roughly 90 seconds. The pigs cling to the cold metal cage, conscious for anywhere from 15-60 seconds and writhing in agonizing pain.

or watch Dominion (Warning this video contains horrible treatment of animals for the sake of personal pleasure)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQRAfJyEsko

First time?

I've always been a bit doubtful about the claims that PETA just wanted to euthanize all animals. Just seems like people's defensiveness about their vegan claims and their (admittedly horrible) protests and marketing leads to people believing the worst about them.

But I've also never really dived into the claims, so I'm just going on "vibes".

Like, Giant Aspirin is getting at, I can't help but think there's more to it than what's usually said.

The issue is that they, like many activist organizations, act in bad faith because they feel like they are on a mission of good, so misrepresenting things to curry favor with the public is seen as a good, because they think the outcome is good.

Giant_Aspirin posted...

i'd love to read it, or anything else that 'proves' these claims

Shilling PETA is pretty low-effort trolling, especially when it involves comparing domesticated pets to livestock. You must be that wool coat guy that got ripped apart years ago.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/9/1/AAdq-uAADk2v.jpg

Relinquished posted...

Shilling PETA is pretty low-effort trolling, especially when it involves comparing domesticated pets to livestock. You must be that wool coat guy that got ripped apart years ago.

I'm sure the powerful lobby group of the Victorian Farmers Federation's Facebook meme page is being completely honest.

Krojen posted...

I'm sure the powerful lobby group of the Victorian Farmers Federation's Facebook meme page is being completely honest.

About stealing that meme? Doubtful.

COVxy posted...

The issue is that they, like many activist organizations, act in bad faith because they feel like they are on a mission of good, so misrepresenting things to curry favor with the public is seen as a good, because they think the outcome is good.

Another issue is the opposition to activist organizations has deeper pockets to blast their own bad faith more loudly. Misrepresenting things about activists and their cause to curry favor with the public is seen as good, because it continues the profit for their shareholders. Their megaphone can be loud enough that most won't even know what the activists actually promote.

Like this topic has made a lot of strong claims and the only source has been 2 factory farming lobbies. I'm vegan and even I view PETA extremely negatively in spite of knowing almost nothing for sure about them.

Here is a nice couple of links for everyone:

https://petakillsanimals.com/top-12-lies-of-animal-rights/

https://petakillsanimals.com/proof-peta-kills/#why-peta-kills

That website shows you the lies of that so called animal rights group.

CassandraCroft posted...

Here is a nice couple of links for everyone:

https://petakillsanimals.com/top-12-lies-of-animal-rights/

https://petakillsanimals.com/proof-peta-kills/#why-peta-kills

That website shows you the lies of that so called animal rights group.

Inb4

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/6/0/AAdq-uAADk30.jpg

CassandraCroft posted...

Here is a nice couple of links for everyone:

https://petakillsanimals.com/top-12-lies-of-animal-rights/

https://petakillsanimals.com/proof-peta-kills/#why-peta-kills

That website shows you the lies of that so called animal rights group.

That website is operated by the Center for Consumer Freedom and just has a bunch on contextless stats with hyperbolic language. Which makes sense because they are self-admittedly a lowbrow tabloid funded by factory farms.

Relinquished posted...

Shilling PETA is pretty low-effort trolling, especially when it involves comparing domesticated pets to livestock. You must be that wool coat guy that got ripped apart years ago.

"shilling" because I'm calmly asking for people to source their claims? that's a new one. and then the 'source' you give me is a literal Facebook meme. and no, i'm not this 'wool coat guy'. i didn't convert to veganism until this calendar year.

CassandraCroft posted...

Here is a nice couple of links for everyone:

https://petakillsanimals.com/top-12-lies-of-animal-rights/

https://petakillsanimals.com/proof-peta-kills/#why-peta-kills

That website shows you the lies of that so called animal rights group.

the newsweek article i provided above addresses the claims presented in that second link.

Smashingpmkns posted...

Domesticated animals would just die off without human companionship though. Not sure how that's better

People like PETA essentially view animals as equivalent to humans and pet ownership is slavery. So you free the slaves in 1850 from some plantation and walk away. What happens to the slaves? Well many of them will probably get caught and killed or tortured and re-enslaved but that's doesn't make the act of freeing the slaves bad.

Their euthanasia however is grossly exaggerated. Millions of animals are euthanized every year because people can't fucking grasp the concept of spay/neutering and PETA is a small chunk of that.

Giant_Aspirin posted...

"shilling" because I'm calmly asking for people to source their claims? that's a new one. and then the 'source' you give me is a literal Facebook meme.

Someone already posted sources, now where's your source deboonking that literal meme, sweaty?

https://www.akc.org/press-center/articles-resources/akc-vvma-express-outrage-peta-approach-euthanasia-animal-shelter/

What about animals that depend on other animals?

Not just meat eaters, but those that have legit symbiotic relationships

PETA should be forcibly dismantled, like Scientology

I have nothing to add to this, except PETA used to make flash games that were not-so-subtlely taking shots at animal-related games coming out, and its so hamfisted they're basically parodies (though I can't imagine it was intentional)

Legitimately a fun thing to check out if y'all have some time to kill.

https://games.peta.org/pokemon-black-and-white-parody/

Relinquished posted...

Someone already posted sources, now where's your source deboonking that literal meme, sweaty?

now you're mocking me and resorting to name calling. im not sure why you're being so abrasive and confrontational. smh, i thought we could have an actual conversation, silly me. but i did respond to those links up there ^

Imagine defending PETA.

Look up the will for the CEO. She wants her skin to be made into a purse and her meat to be BBQ and eaten, and her legs made into umbrella holders and all shorts of wierd shit when she dies

MedeaLysistrata posted...

because the animal would die without you most likely. you're making a living being depend on you for your own personal enjoyment. (not you specifically)

There's also a flip side to this.

I adopted my puppy when he was 5 weeks old and he had a bunch of health problems. Tapeworms, skin mites, etc.,

He likely would not have gotten the medical treatment he needed if someone didn't take him in.

I've had him for 2 years now and he's a (mostly) healthy boy

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/1/6/AAbtL8AADk4s.jpg

Relinquished posted...

Shilling PETA is pretty low-effort trolling, especially when it involves comparing domesticated pets to livestock. You must be that wool coat guy that got ripped apart years ago.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/9/1/AAdq-uAADk2v.jpg

Proto_Spark posted...

I have nothing to add to this, except PETA used to make flash games that were not-so-subtlely taking shots at animal-related games coming out, and its so hamfisted they're basically parodies (though I can't imagine it was intentional)

Legitimately a fun thing to check out if y'all have some time to kill.

https://games.peta.org/pokemon-black-and-white-parody/

If nothing else, literally everyone knows that PETA's marketing campaigns are atrocious, and borderline self-parody.

It's impossible to take them seriously on anything

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/PETA

RationalWiki has a pretty good page on them

A 2003 PETA ad campaign called "The Holocaust on Your Plate" drew a moral equivalence between the consumption of meat and the genocidal murders of millions of Jews, Slavs, Roma peoples, homosexuals, political opponents, and others in Nazi Germany's concentration camps. It juxtaposed pictures of pigs in pens and children in concentration camps with headlines like "For animals, all people are Nazis."