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Antifar
08/18/22 9:21:15 AM
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https://twitter.com/ZJemptv/status/1560165980986286081


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fire_bolt
08/18/22 9:24:49 AM
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We all knew this was coming. Once again anti Trans legislation fucking things up for innocent cis kids

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Solid_Seb
08/18/22 9:25:15 AM
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Umbreon
08/18/22 9:29:23 AM
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"Doesn't look feminine enough"

And welcome to a other rousing game of "We told you so!", where we point out the logical conclusion of the bullshit some of y'all supported.

Parent salty their kid lost to another? Time to accuse the winner of being trans without any proof!

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Stewman_Magoo
08/18/22 9:33:11 AM
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Oh good, so whenever cis women lose at high school level sports, they can just call out their opponent for being trans?

Yeah this is CLEARLY a better option than letting trans women play sports.


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ElatedVenusaur
08/18/22 9:34:53 AM
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Stewman_Magoo posted...
Oh good, so whenever cis women lose at high school level sports, they can just call out their opponent for being trans?

Yeah this is CLEARLY a better option than letting trans women play sports.
1,000 cis girls being traumatized by genital inspections is better than letting 1 trans girl play girls' sports.
-TERFs, probably they would use much worse language to describe a trans girl, but I just...can't

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gunplagirl
08/18/22 9:36:19 AM
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Stewman_Magoo posted...
Oh good, so whenever cis women lose at high school level sports, they can just call out their opponent for being trans?

Yeah this is CLEARLY a better option than letting trans women play sports.
Transphobia hurts everyone. Fuck transphobes.

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GrandConjuraton
08/18/22 9:37:20 AM
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gunplagirl posted...
Transphobia hurts everyone. Fuck transphobes.


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Alucard188
08/18/22 9:38:05 AM
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Oh my, how could anybody have seen this coming? Got approve you are a girl at a chromosomal level now to satisfy this. It's not enough that you are genetically better than other people, or more experienced. Nope.

My mom was built like a brick shithouse. She was not your typical woman. She was broad and very rectangular. Taller than your average woman as well. I have no doubt that her being stronger than average would have meant she would be subject to these inscrutable assertions.

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teep_
08/18/22 9:40:14 AM
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I was just about to post this

absolutely disgusting

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IShall_Run_Amok
08/18/22 9:44:05 AM
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Transphobes should go to prison.

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ScazarMeltex
08/18/22 9:45:01 AM
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This is fucked and comoletely expected. When these shit head parents do this kind of stuff they also likely fail to take into account the social and psychological consequences for the person they accuse.

Imagine being a teenage girl, with all the bullshit that comes with that, then some fuckhead parent accuses you of being trans. Imagine how you are going to be treated after that by classmates, teachers, and the community around you. Imagine the psychological effects of that accusation and the social isolation that will come with it. This will lead to suicides.

Which honestly is probably the point for a bunch of these conservatives. "This wouldn't be a problem if you weren't out playing sports like a man instead of learning how to cook, clean, and pump out babies like you are supposed to".

In short, fuck these people. Fuck conservatives and fuck transphobes.

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gunplagirl
08/18/22 9:46:01 AM
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ScazarMeltex posted...
This is fucked and comoletely expected. When these shit head parents do this kind of stuff they also likely fail to take into account the social and psychological consequences for the person they accuse.

Imagine being a teenage girl, with all the bullshit that comes with that, then some fuckhead parent accuses you of being trans. Imagine how you are going to be treated after that by classmates, teachers, and the community around you. Imagine the psychological effects of that accusation and the social isolation that will come with it. This will lead to suicides.

Which honestly is probably the point for a bunch of these conservatives. "This wouldn't be a problem if you weren't out playing sports like a man instead of learning how to cook, clean, and pump out babies like you are supposed to".

In short, fuck these people. Fuck conservatives and fuck transphobes.
And of course this stuff further demonizes trans people all the while. They want trans people eradicated.

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CyricZ
08/18/22 10:07:55 AM
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This is punchable behavior.

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Proto_Spark
08/18/22 10:09:03 AM
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Remember when Utah banned trans women from competing in sports, and it turned out it affected one person in the entire state?

Its not like politicians have more important things to be doing, right?
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Alucard188
08/18/22 10:12:54 AM
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Proto_Spark posted...
Remember when Utah banned trans women from competing in sports, and it turned out it affected one person in the entire state?

Its not like politicians have more important things to be doing, right?

There has to be a panic about something. If it's not guns, it's religion. If it's not religion, it's sexuality. Basically anything that whips up the conservative base. Bunch of regressive morons with too much political power.

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Umbreon
08/18/22 10:34:37 AM
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ScazarMeltex posted...
When these shit head parents do this kind of stuff they also likely fail to take into account the social and psychological consequences for the person they accuse.


Oh they know, that just don't give a fuck.

A lot of parents don't view their own kids as real people, just things to make them look good. You think they're going to care about some other kid?

gunplagirl posted...
And of course this stuff further demonizes trans people all the while. They want trans people eradicated.


Yep. The message is "Golly, things would be so much less complicated if a certain group of people weren't around...".

A message we've seen used throughout history to justify horiffic things.

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DespondentDeity
08/18/22 10:43:34 AM
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Weird it was less than a month ago that @Tenlaar said this wasnt gonna happen.

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gunplagirl
08/18/22 10:46:14 AM
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DespondentDeity posted...
Weird it was less than a month ago that Tenlaar said this wasnt gonna happen.
Tenlaar is wrong more often than not by a considerable amount.

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The_Creep_2020
08/18/22 10:47:46 AM
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B-b-b-but the transphobes are *so* good at telling who was assigned what at birth.... right?

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meralonne
08/18/22 10:52:27 AM
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The state I live in is a fucking joke. smh

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BlockAddition
08/18/22 11:33:00 AM
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CyricZ posted...
This is punchable behavior.

Yeah because violence solves everything

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gunplagirl
08/18/22 11:50:58 AM
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BlockAddition posted...
Yeah because violence solves everything
Transphobia being enforced through laws and policies IS violence against trans people

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CADE_FOSTER
08/18/22 12:02:56 PM
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hope they throw those kids off team sports
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ScazarMeltex
08/18/22 12:02:58 PM
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BlockAddition posted...
Yeah because violence solves everything
This kind of shit is violence against the trans community. Allowing the state to have a monopoly on the definition and use of violence is how we got here in the first place.

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Smashingpmkns
08/18/22 12:04:50 PM
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This type of shit could be weaponized by bullies so easily.

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RenescoStCewl
08/18/22 12:13:09 PM
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gunplagirl posted...
Tenlaar is wrong more often than not by a considerable amount.
I would @ him but he's suspended for his usual bullshit

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DespondentDeity
08/18/22 12:14:43 PM
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Hes not wrong tho, hes lying to try and gaslight people.

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wackyteen
08/18/22 12:20:46 PM
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Oh I didn't see this topic lol

Life is a joke.

The fact they've received complaints because 'girl doesn't look feminine enough' shows they have the depth of a puddle in a dry desert

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gunplagirl
08/18/22 12:25:04 PM
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wackyteen posted...
Oh I didn't see this topic lol

Life is a joke.

The fact they've received complaints because 'girl doesn't look feminine enough' shows they have the depth of a puddle in a dry desert
Actually water doesn't absorb into dry ground as easily which is why deserts are so prone to flash floods. The rain just can't be soaked fast enough.

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apolloooo
08/18/22 12:33:07 PM
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This argument is really good for this issue:

https://youtu.be/cZ9YAFYIBOU

Tl;dr: sports are never fair. There are always some genetic component that contributes to an edge in competitions. Top basketball players aren't tall because they play basketball, but they play basketball because they are tall.

The same with women. There are cis women born with bodies that produce more testoterone, or just have more muscle growth that is genetic, and these usually give them competitive edge in physical sports so transwomen, while the science says they do still have an advantage over majority of cis women, shouldn't be treated differently than those who are born cis.

Aka this is all just excuse to persecute trans ppl

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GrandConjuraton
08/18/22 12:38:30 PM
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apolloooo posted...
This argument is really good for this issue:

https://youtu.be/cZ9YAFYIBOU

Tl;dr: sports are never fair. There are always some genetic component that contributes to an edge in competitions. Top basketball players aren't tall because they play basketball, but they play basketball because they are tall.

The same with women. There are cis women born with bodies that produce more testoterone, or just have more muscle growth that is genetic, and these usually give them competitive edge in physical sports so transwomen, while the science says they do still have an advantage over majority of cis women, shouldn't be treated differently than those who are born cis.

Aka this is all just excuse to persecute trans ppl
I can only imagine the crap my sister would get if she actually played sports. She gets mistaken as a guy sometimes already despite being cis, and so it wouldn't end well... she has a more masculine body type than the average woman and would have an "unfair advantage".

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wackyteen
08/18/22 12:38:55 PM
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gunplagirl posted...
Actually water doesn't absorb into dry ground as easily which is why deserts are so prone to flash floods. The rain just can't be soaked fast enough.
I mean the fact the puddle wouldn't exist at all. There is no depth.

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gunplagirl
08/18/22 12:40:24 PM
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wackyteen posted...
I mean the fact the puddle wouldn't exist at all. There is no depth.
There's a better way to say that then. "They have less depth than a drop of water."

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__aCEr__
08/18/22 12:45:21 PM
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So how long before DNA tests are required to play youth sports?

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Umbreon
08/18/22 12:47:41 PM
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__aCEr__ posted...
So how long before DNA tests are required to play youth sports?


They probably won't do that. Not when they can humiliate/molest children with 'genital checks'.

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BlockAddition
08/18/22 12:48:23 PM
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gunplagirl posted...
Transphobia being enforced through laws and policies IS violence against trans people
Violence is the use of physical force so as to injure, abuse, damage, or destroy - Wikipedia

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gunplagirl
08/18/22 12:55:01 PM
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BlockAddition posted...
Violence is the use of physical force so as to injure, abuse, damage, or destroy - Wikipedia
Yes, and injure is to bring harm to. Are you suggesting that no harm befalls trans people who fall victim to policies that prevent them from having access to activities that the rest of the population has without question?

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CyricZ
08/18/22 12:55:50 PM
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BlockAddition posted...
Violence is the use of physical force so as to injure, abuse, damage, or destroy - Wikipedia
1
a: the use of physical force so as to injure, abuse, damage, or destroy
b: an instance of violent treatment or procedure
2: injury by or as if by distortion, infringement, or profanation : OUTRAGE
3
a: intense, turbulent, or furious and often destructive action or force
the violence of the storm
b: vehement feeling or expression : FERVOR
also : an instance of such action or feeling
c: a clashing or jarring quality : DISCORDANCE
4: undue alteration (as of wording or sense in editing a text)

Source: Merriam-Webster

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GrandConjuraton
08/18/22 12:57:05 PM
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gunplagirl posted...
Yes, and injure is to bring harm to. Are you suggesting that no harm befalls trans people who fall victim to policies that prevent them from having access to activities that the rest of the population has without question?
"The legislature didn't do it. The people did!"

Bonus if he wants to fake being concerned: "There are laws against violence being inflicted upon others"

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ScazarMeltex
08/18/22 1:08:46 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
This type of shit could be weaponized by bullies so easily.
That's the point. All of these laws exist for the purpose of weaponization.

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Proto_Spark
08/18/22 1:45:58 PM
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apolloooo posted...
This argument is really good for this issue:

https://youtu.be/cZ9YAFYIBOU

Tl;dr: sports are never fair. There are always some genetic component that contributes to an edge in competitions. Top basketball players aren't tall because they play basketball, but they play basketball because they are tall.

The same with women. There are cis women born with bodies that produce more testoterone, or just have more muscle growth that is genetic, and these usually give them competitive edge in physical sports so transwomen, while the science says they do still have an advantage over majority of cis women, shouldn't be treated differently than those who are born cis.

Aka this is all just excuse to persecute trans ppl

I don't really like this argument. Suggesting that sports are just inherently unfair gives the impression that trans women in sports are just genetically better off, when there's very limited evidence to suggest that, especially with the amount of HRT that's required often for trans athletes to actually compete (things like NCAA and the Olympics have had HRT requirements for decades)

Using the argument "Sports are inherently unfair" just gives a lot of weight to transphobic arguments that haven't done nearly enough work to earn that. Not to mention it leads to things like "well then why do we bother with women's sports at all?"

The section of HRT is... weird. 2 of the 3 studies are based on trans men vs. trans women, When the actual debate is about trans women vs. cis women or trans men vs cis men. And the only study shared that even comes close comes with the caveat of "this isn't actually how we measure athletic performance". It certainly doesn't do a particularly good job of saying trans women are just empirically better equipped for sports against cis women, which is how they just start the next section assuming.
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ElatedVenusaur
08/18/22 1:51:58 PM
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Proto_Spark posted...
I don't really like this argument. Suggesting that sports are just inherently unfair gives the impression that trans women in sports are just genetically better off, when there's very limited evidence to suggest that, especially with the amount of HRT that's required often for trans athletes to actually compete (things like NCAA and the Olympics have had HRT requirements for decades)

Using the argument "Sports are inherently unfair" just gives a lot of weight to transphobic arguments that haven't done nearly enough work to earn that. Not to mention it leads to things like "well then why do we bother with women's sports at all?"

The section of HRT is... weird. 2 of the 3 studies are based on trans men vs. trans women, When the actual debate is about trans women vs. cis women or trans men vs cis men. And the only study shared that even comes close comes with the caveat of "this isn't actually how we measure athletic performance". It certainly doesn't do a particularly good job of saying trans women are just empirically better equipped for sports against cis women, which is how they just start the next section assuming.
Theres also a lot of ignorance about how HRT actually works: mostly cis people way underestimate how powerful it really is. This isnt just limited to laypeople either: a lot of doctors are ignorant too. Its rooted in the erroneous belief that a male person and a female person are fundamentally different from each other, when the biggest difference by far is just from their hormone levels.

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hockeybub89
08/18/22 1:55:04 PM
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Transphobes be like: "It's so easy to tell. Quit your fearmongering about cis girls getting caught up. Besides, it's a small price to pay to keep men from replacing women."

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