Current Events > George RR Martin was kept out of the loop about later Game of Thrones seasons.

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"By Season 5 and 6, and certainly 7 and 8, I was pretty much out of the loop," Martin said of his involvement with "Game of Thrones."

Asked why he grew estranged from the show, Martin did not cite his work on "The Winds of Winter" and instead said, "I don't know you have to ask Dan and David."

When asked why the series' author wasn't consulted for later material, Benioff stated "we just forgot about George".

Funny I recall him being heavily involved all the way up to the end of the show. Apparently Dan and David were also the only ones who knew the ending he had envisioned and tried to stay as close to the vision as possible.

I wouldn't be surprised if GRRM is lying about his involvement from seasons 5 and onwards to keep interest in his next novel high.

Why consult the author when they know he hasn't written shit?

Why consult the author when they know he hasn't written shit?

Funny I recall him being heavily involved all the way up to the end of the show. Apparently Dan and David were also the only ones who knew the ending he had envisioned and tried to stay as close to the vision as possible.

I wouldn't be surprised if GRRM is lying about his involvement from seasons 5 and onwards to keep interest in his next novel high.

It doesn't matter because the GoT ending is the only one we're getting because the books are never going to be finished.

Does anyone actually blame D&D? Hell I dont understand expecting anything from grrm either. Have you read the books? From the moment he had that s***ty catspaw reveal I knew that this dude couldn't wrap storyline. Oh he could certainly set them up, but then again anyone can set up intriguing plots and mysteries, just look at jj Abrams and lost. It's about delivering on those mysteries and he sure as s*** didn't with what he did attempt to resolve, so forget him ending the actual main plot lines.

It doesn't matter because the GoT ending is the only one we're getting because the books are never going to be finished.

Weren't there reports earlier that Martin like, gave a general outline of how he wanted the story to end?

The last seasons which were very much bad because D&D didn't want to keep doing the show, so they definitely deserve some of the blame. Especially because the main issue with the ending wasn't really what happened at the end, but rather how it ended. If you told someone at like season 4 how the series ended, they'd probably be like "yeah I can see that", but Seasons 7/8 didn't really do a lot of the work that was required to get to that ending point.

But there's also not a chance anyone would have really been able to wrap up some of these things well, and the books have even more random loose ends and **** that would need to be tied up.

I'm of the opinion there just wasn't a good way to wrap up the Night King and Coming Winter stuff.

Have you read the books?

The grass was a sickly grey-green. The trees swayed in the wind, displaying a ghastly greyish-green color. The sky was a pale grey color, which almost had a shade of green. The stranger approached, with his grey-green cape flapping in the wind. His hat was such an unusual color, green with a touch of grey. It had a bright green feather, that faded to grey at the end. His sword reflected the light, but it was an unnatural light, it almost appeared to shine the green of nature and also the grey of death. Greenish grey mud clung to his boots. His pants were greyish colored now, but we're once green. The vest was was a vibrant green, but looked to have been dyed from grey. The undershirt was grey, with green stripes. His massive dong swung freely from a hole in the crotch.

Dan and David had to have been so fed up with George by the end, and its completely understandable. Imagine busting your ass through numerous foreign countries on this big production, assembling sets, writing, hiring actors, directing, etc. for years while George sits on his ass in New Mexico and goes I wrote a paragraph this week you guys!

...and it's not like Dragonball, where filler arcs, stretching "...in five minutes" over several episodes, and "let's drive cars!" can stall for time.

that's no reason for the hilarious season 5 buddy cop arc

You remember very wrong. They had a falling out after season 4 because George disliked some changes they made, particularly removing Lady Stoneheart. There's also nothing to suggest they stuck close to his plan at all.

The grass was a sickly grey-green. The trees swayed in the wind, displaying a ghastly greyish-green color. The sky was a pale grey color, which almost had a shade of green. The stranger approached, with his grey-green cape flapping in the wind. His hat was such an unusual color, green with a touch of grey. It had a bright green feather, that faded to grey at the end. His sword reflected the light, but it was an unnatural light, it almost appeared to shine the green of nature and also the grey of death. Greenish grey mud clung to his boots. His pants were greyish colored now, but we're once green. The vest was was a vibrant green, but looked to have been dyed from grey. The undershirt was grey, with green stripes. His massive dong swung freely from a hole in the crotch.

Correct. There were three things that the showrunners knew up front that had to be kept secret. Jon's parentage, Hodor's story, and the ending. Problem is that once they ran out of source material they had to work towards that material and that ending without the actual knowledge of how to get there which is when it fell apart.

It's bullshit now that people didn't like the ending that Martin is doing the "well that wasn't the real ending". And I firmly believe that the reason he hasn't released a book in all this time is because people didn't like the ending and now he doesn't know how to end it.

correct.

also

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/10/game-of-thrones-ending-george-rr-martin-faithful/amp

hes been pretty vocal about them diverging from much of his outline aside from just this and George has mentioned in multiple interviews his displeasure with them from S5 onwards.

It wasnt just George though, D&D refused every offer of help they got, especially for S8 where they decided to do the season themselves. They didnt care about finishing the show off well, they just didnt want to share credit with anyone,

Somebody theorized a few years ago that the way Martin writes is purely character driven, as opposed to story driven. It's hard to write a cohesive story if you don't have a actual storyline to follow. That's why he hasn't written anything else - he flat out doesn't know what to write next. Has no idea how to end the books.

Does anyone actually blame D&D?

Didn't they also get offered more episodes to finish it well and they said fuck that and tried to finish as quickly as possible?

Dorne wouldve been crazy if they made it to season 8 lol

Didn't they also get offered more episodes to finish it well and they said fuck that and tried to finish as quickly as possible?

"Whatever gets us to finish this series as soon as possible and allows us to work on Star Wars quicker!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag1o3koTLWM

Yep. This right here. And they tucked it up so bad they lost the Star Wars movies.

They actually wanted to do star wars that bad over game of thrones? Problems I have with the books aside, its still way better than star wars stuff...

They actually wanted to do star wars that bad over game of thrones? Problems I have with the books aside, its still way better than star wars stuff...

Why would they want the input of a slacker, who just gave them some notes and ideas, and hasn't bothered to write the final books?