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g0ldie
08/09/22 7:04:21 PM
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...for having an abortion:

A Nebraska teenager is facing criminal charges alleging she aborted a fetus in violation of state law, after authorities obtained her Facebook messages using a search warrant. Seventeen-year-old Celeste Burgess, who is being tried as an adult along with her mother Jessica Burgess, is awaiting trial in Madison County District Court on charges that they broke a Nebraska law banning abortions after 20 weeks.

This marks one of the first instances of a persons Facebook activity being used to incriminate her in a state where abortion access is restricted a scenario that has remained largely hypothetical in the weeks following the US Supreme Courts decision to overturn Roe v. Wade. Nebraska currently outlaws abortions beyond 20 weeks. On Monday, Republican lawmakers in the state failed to secure enough votes to decrease that window to 12 weeks.

Celeste and her mother were charged in July with allegedly removing, concealing or abandoning a dead human body and concealing the death of another person after the Norfolk Police Department received a tip claiming Celeste had miscarried in April at 23 weeks of pregnancy and secretly buried the fetus with her mother's help. The case was first reported by the Lincoln Journal Star.

While Celeste told police that she had suffered a miscarriage, they continued to investigate, serving Facebook with a search warrant to access Celeste and Jessicas Facebook accounts. They subsequently found messages between the mother and daughter allegedly detailing how Celeste had undergone a self-managed abortion with Jessicas help. There are four states that ban abortion at 24 weeks, and more than a dozen that broadly ban it at the start of fetal viability.

Andy Stone, a Policy Communications Director at Facebook, acknowledged a request for comment but said he could not immediately confirm any details about the incident.

A month before Celeste was charged, Mark Zuckerberg, CEO of Facebook parent Meta, was asked by employees how the company will protect those seeking abortions. Zuckerberg replied that efforts to expand encryption across the platform will keep people safe, CyberScoop reported. In May, Metas VP of HR, Janelle Gale, told employees they were not allowed to discuss abortion at work, according to the Verge. The company later announced that it will reimburse employees who find they must travel to a different state to seek an abortion.

Still, Meta has remained largely silent on how it will moderate abortion content in general. However, users recently noticed that Instagram and Facebook posts about acquiring abortion pills such as mifepristone were being systematically removed. At the same time, Meta continued to earn revenue from anti-abortion advertisements containing dangerous misinformation, Media Matters found. An investigation by the Markup discovered that Facebook was collecting data from users interacting with abortion services websites, and subequently made that information available to anti-abortion groups.

In response to pressure from employees, Google announced that it would delete location data of users who had used the platform to look up abortion services.

All of the largest tech giants have been pressed on whether, and to what extent, they may cooperate in investigations that seek to punish women for seeking an abortion. In June, Meta spokesperson Andy Stone told the Washington Post that the company carefully scrutinize[s] all government requests for user information and often push[es] back, including in court.

A District Attorney assigned to the case declined to comment. An attorney for Celeste Burgess did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Update: This story has been updated to note that the Facebook messages were obtained via search warrant.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/emilybaker-white/2022/08/08/facebook-abortion-teen-dms/?sh=7e85a0b579c1

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Vegy
08/09/22 7:08:00 PM
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Sbollen would never betray us like Facebook right

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ThePrinceFish
08/09/22 7:09:24 PM
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A late term illegal home abortion where they desecrated the body. Nice.

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Prismsblade
08/09/22 7:10:32 PM
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Hasn't Facebook been on the decline for years now? This can't be good for its PR eith them releasing people's personal data for any reason at all.

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Doe
08/09/22 7:12:28 PM
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Biden should pardon them immediately

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g0ldie
08/09/22 7:12:57 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
A late term illegal home abortion where they desecrated the body. Nice.
this is what happens when abortions are outlawed

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Zeeak4444
08/09/22 7:13:14 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
A late term illegal home abortion where they desecrated the body. Nice.

you support these actions occurring though. We know this for a fact by your opposition to any alternative.

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ScazarMeltex
08/09/22 7:13:46 PM
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Doe posted...
Biden should pardon them immediately
President can't pardon state prosecuted offenses.

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Baha05
08/09/22 7:15:05 PM
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I question who DMs this sort of information on Facebook or even how they would have found out to get a warrant.

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radical_rhino
08/09/22 7:15:19 PM
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Shitty of Facebook.

Although if there was a national law legalizing abortion, it would probably only be for the first 20 weeks anyway.

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hockeybub89
08/09/22 7:17:03 PM
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The government is systematically stripping women of their freedom and Republicans are bitching because a rich asshole is getting investigated by the FBI.

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Robot2600
08/09/22 7:18:28 PM
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"shitty of facebook" is an understatement

you should respond by never going to their shitty site ever again. literally dont use fb or ig anymore.

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Doe
08/09/22 7:18:35 PM
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ScazarMeltex posted...
President can't pardon state prosecuted offenses.
Okay make an executive order saying he can

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hockeybub89
08/09/22 7:19:14 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
A late term illegal home abortion where they desecrated the body. Nice.
This is what happens when the government decides women are less than dirt and don't deserve absolute control over their bodies. If they want to kill the baby inside them, that's their business. The state should shut the fuck up and let doctors do what needs to be done.

That's what actual freedom and pro-life is.

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CommonStar
08/09/22 7:21:22 PM
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Fucking evil shit
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ThePrinceFish
08/09/22 7:25:26 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Congratulations on noticing that this has nothing to do with Roe being overturned.

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TheAttackTitan
08/09/22 7:25:44 PM
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Jury nullification should make it impossible for her to get convicted.
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AablMind
08/09/22 7:27:45 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Doesn't really matter

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ThePrinceFish
08/09/22 7:29:55 PM
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TheAttackTitan posted...
Jury nullification should make it impossible for her to get convicted.
I imagine a jury in Nebraska won't look kindly on the messages she sent her mother about burning the corpse to hide the evidence.

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gunplagirl
08/09/22 7:30:04 PM
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Fuck Facebook and anyone who helped get Roe v Wade overturned. They're going to destroy this teen girl's life before she's even an adult.

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InTheEyesOfFire
08/09/22 7:30:24 PM
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CommonStar posted...
Fucking evil shit


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Kimbos_Egg
08/09/22 7:31:41 PM
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they had a warrant.. what could they have possibly done..?

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JuanCarlos1
08/09/22 7:31:54 PM
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Its evil in this case, but it would be useful in other cases.

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Baha05
08/09/22 7:33:33 PM
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AablMind posted...
Doesn't really matter
Why doesnt it matter though? Like unless this was a medical issue with her carrying the baby for full terms Roe v. Wade or not wouldnt the time frame matter?

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ScazarMeltex
08/09/22 7:33:38 PM
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Kimbos_Egg posted...
they had a warrant.. what could they have possibly done..?
Refuse to comply? You can't really arrest a corporation now can you? Any fine levied against them would be laughable in the face of Facebook's massove revenue stream and would likely provide a boost in goodwill from the populace at large.

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g0ldie
08/09/22 7:34:11 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
I imagine a jury in Nebraska won't look kindly on the messages she sent her mother about burning the corpse to hide the evidence.
this is what happens when you create policies that get in the way of people getting proper care from professionals.

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nfearurspecimn
08/09/22 7:34:16 PM
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Robot2600 posted...
literally dont use fb
been that way for years, but I'm antisocial

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Punished_Blinx
08/09/22 7:35:39 PM
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Imagine calling yourselves the land of the free with this shit.

Baha05 posted...
I question who DMs this sort of information on Facebook or even how they would have found out to get a warrant.

You mean the authorities? There'd be a legal department that would handle warrants like this.

It's possible that the person who sent the information doesn't know what it was for other than the police asked for it.

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TheAttackTitan
08/09/22 7:35:52 PM
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ScazarMeltex posted...
Refuse to comply? You can't really arrest a corporation now can you? Any fine levied against them would be laughable in the face of Facebook's massove revenue stream and would likely provide a boost in goodwill from the populace at large.
He knows. He's just trying and failing to give FB an out. "Oh it's the lau! Gotta obey da lau!"
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Punished_Blinx
08/09/22 7:47:06 PM
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To be fair to Facebook they're a massive corporation with a shitload of employees.

Whoever got the warrant and whoever got the chatlog (they aren't even necessarily the same person) is probably just following their typical process.

I work for a home loan company and sometimes I get requests from our Privacy Officer saying they have a police request asking where money has been sent or where it has come for certain transactions for an account. I don't get more context than that.

Of course I have in the past googled a name and found out more information that way but from my perspective all I'm doing is sending out the details asked.

Facebook obviously has a lot more information than account details. They have chatlogs. But how does the person who gets that request get that information? Are they specifically going into the chatlog and copying and pasting the chat? Probably not. They're probably just getting a file that covers a chatlog for an account between the dates requested. It's possible they're not even allowed to open it up and read it.

But maybe they did anyway and still sent it. It's hard to say. Google has the right idea where they are automatically deleting the data for people searching this stuff so if police ask for a warrant there's no data for that employee to even give them. Nobody is putting themselves on the line. That might be more challenging for chatlogs.

Of course the biggest issue of all is that tech companies shouldn't be put into this position to begin with. Private chatlogs should be sent when prosecuting actual criminals who are harming and abusing people. Not a teenage girl getting an abortion.

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Neoconkers
08/09/22 7:50:11 PM
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"land of the free"

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voldothegr8
08/09/22 7:58:42 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
A late term illegal home abortion where they desecrated the body. Nice.
Outlawing abortion doesn't stop abortion, just safe access to it.

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Bleuets
08/09/22 8:02:32 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
This is what happens when the government decides women are less than dirt and don't deserve absolute control over their bodies. If they want to kill the baby inside them, that's their business. The state should shut the fuck up and let doctors do what needs to be done.

That's what actual freedom and pro-life is.

Holy shit that is a creepy as fuck way to put it.
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hockeybub89
08/09/22 8:05:26 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
Congratulations on noticing that this has nothing to do with Roe being overturned.
Yes, Nebraska already had these evil laws.

But you can't deny at the open war declared on women by the overturning of RvW has emboldened fascists to do harder investigations into these "murders" in their states.

It's a shame someone has to get a home abortion and dispose of the corpse themselves since the government wants to play doctor.

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hockeybub89
08/09/22 8:07:05 PM
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Bleuets posted...
Holy shit that is a creepy as fuck way to put it.
The fetus could have mental faculties of a fully grown adult and I'd still enthusiastically support the right to abortions.

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Bleuets
08/09/22 8:07:52 PM
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It's a shame someone has to get a home abortion and dispose of the corpse themselves since the government wants to play doctor.

Im legit concerned with what you are saying here. I know weve had our disagreements in the past, but this absolutely needs to be addressed and Id advise seeking help.
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ThePrinceFish
08/09/22 8:08:16 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
The fetus could have mental faculties of a fully grown adult and I'd still enthusiastically support the right to abortions.
Wow.

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Bleuets
08/09/22 8:10:20 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
The fetus could have mental faculties of a fully grown adult and I'd still enthusiastically support the right to abortions.

okay youre taking this too far. Its one thing to support abortions but another entirely to say stuff like this. This is not okay on this site and Im going to have to report this.
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Umbreon
08/09/22 8:12:03 PM
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Fuck Facebook

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Bleuets
08/09/22 8:13:21 PM
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Umbreon posted...
Fuck Facebook

Fuck the Zuck!

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__aCEr__
08/09/22 8:23:29 PM
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Absolutely no one who values even a modicum of privacy should be using Facebook anymore.

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TheAttackTitan
08/09/22 8:34:04 PM
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Bleuets posted...
Im legit concerned with what you are saying here. I know weve had our disagreements in the past, but this absolutely needs to be addressed and Id advise seeking help.
The people who look at the motherfuckers who gleefully just voted No on low-cost insulin and say "Das ma guy!" are the ones who need to seek help. Desperately.
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Robot2600
08/09/22 8:41:36 PM
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Bleuets posted...
okay youre taking this too far. Its one thing to support abortions but another entirely to say stuff like this. This is not okay on this site and Im going to have to report this.

no he's right. we don't force a parent to give up a kidney to save their child's life, why is leeching off of someone's body any different?

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mybbqrules
08/09/22 9:24:07 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
Wow.
You're literally an anti-vax chud. You have absolutely no moral high ground in any conversation here.

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ThePrinceFish
08/09/22 9:31:39 PM
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mybbqrules posted...
You're literally an anti-vax chud. You have absolutely no moral high ground in any conversation here.
That's odd, I've never felt more moral superiority in my life than seeing you guys defend late term abortions on demand.

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mybbqrules
08/09/22 9:40:08 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
That's odd, I've never felt more moral superiority in my life than seeing you guys defend late term abortions on demand.
20 weeks isn't "late term". Try again.

And no one here supports late term abortions unless the mothers life is in danger.

And, you support a party currently criminalizing and villainizing people for daring to be different from them, so you can take your "moral superiority" and fuck all the way off.

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