Poll of the Day > Be poor and surrounded by the wealthy, or wealthy and surrounded by the poor?

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DietSchmendrake
08/07/22 4:11:40 PM
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Most people will probably pick the latter not realizing how miserable and unsafe it feels unless you hire private security.

I would give up all my money if it meant staying in my current area and not moving back to the city.
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Muscles
08/07/22 4:13:35 PM
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Depends on how altruistic the rich guys around me are

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CynicalZealot
08/07/22 4:23:33 PM
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DietSchmendrake posted...
Most people will probably pick the latter not realizing how miserable and unsafe it feels unless you hire private security.

Depends on how wealthy I'd be. With enough money it wouldn't be difficult to elevate the ones I like and hire guards to oppress the ones I don't. It's literally how the entire concept of royalty, nobility, and nation states/government came into being in the first place.

As for the alternative, anyone choosing to be poor has literally never been poor. And are likely naively counting on some of those wealthy to be extremely charitable or at least treat them like a pet and buy stuff for them.

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Krazy_Kirby
08/07/22 4:32:45 PM
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DietSchmendrake posted...
Most people will probably pick the latter not realizing how miserable and unsafe it feels unless you hire private security.



as opposed to how fantastic it feels to be poor?

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VampireCoyote
08/07/22 4:35:43 PM
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I dont think in terms of bullshit classism

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Straughan
08/07/22 4:36:59 PM
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I lived both rich and poor growing up. Mom rich, Dad poor. Then again, if you call 250 acres, a 3-story house, 10 dogs, 30 chickens, 20 goats, and 1 cat... 3 cars 3 meals a day, TV in every room poor... maybe you haven't seen poor. But that's what my brothers kept telling me.

The poorest I ever lived was sleeping in a barn as a farm hand as a kid helping relatives. And the only thing that bothered me was sweating at night. Thankfully we had mesh bug covers. Can't say the same foe the poor sheepies. That's one reason this stream always calms me. I miss the babies. Lots of people don't know how sweet sheep are.

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DietSchmendrake
08/07/22 4:48:06 PM
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VampireCoyote posted...
I dont think in terms of bullshit classism

So you're poor then?

Krazy_Kirby posted...
as opposed to how fantastic it feels to be poor?

All the worst shit about being poor for me was the location.

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T0ffee
08/07/22 4:50:57 PM
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DietSchmendrake posted...
All the worst s*** about being poor for me was the location.

So you've never actually been poor. Got it.

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DietSchmendrake
08/07/22 6:16:11 PM
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T0ffee posted...
So you've never actually been poor. Got it.

I used to crunch my shoes on broken soldiers every goddamn day walking to and from school. Had a screwdriver at the front door to the complex so you could pop that shit out of your shoes and not track broken glass everywhere.

Junkies used to crash 2 feet from our back door.

I once watched a homeless man stab a prostitute over a disagreement I was too young to understand.

I grew up on east colfax. South park did episodes about how shitty the neighborhood I grew up in was.

And the worst part about it was the neighborhood. Going hungry for a night or two was preferable to getting held up for my fucking nonexistent lunch money or watching someone die, or listening to a group of crackheads try to break into my house.

If you think otherwise YOUVE never been poor. My hatred of living near a lower class neighborhood is grounded in a ruined childhood worth of experience
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VampireCoyote
08/07/22 6:29:47 PM
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all those violent poors

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DietSchmendrake
08/07/22 6:34:49 PM
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I mean yeah. Violent crime rates are way higher in poor areas. Or were you trying to make another point?

I thought you didnt see class anyways, so it's not like this is even directed at anyone in particular, right?
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DietSchmendrake
08/07/22 9:04:25 PM
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Straughan posted...
I lived both rich and poor growing up. Mom rich, Dad poor. Then again, if you call 250 acres, a 3-story house, 10 dogs, 30 chickens, 20 goats, and 1 cat... 3 cars 3 meals a day, TV in every room poor... maybe you haven't seen poor. But that's what my brothers kept telling me.

The poorest I ever lived was sleeping in a barn as a farm hand as a kid helping relatives. And the only thing that bothered me was sweating at night. Thankfully we had mesh bug covers. Can't say the same foe the poor sheepies. That's one reason this stream always calms me. I miss the babies. Lots of people don't know how sweet sheep are.

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Rural poor is different from urban poor

I would rather be rural poor any goddamn day.
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ZombieCheetah
08/09/22 12:35:11 PM
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Blah blah blah something about taxpayers blah even though I don't work or pay any taxes.
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JigsawTDCII
08/09/22 12:37:08 PM
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imagine how out of touch youd need to be to even consider making this topic lol
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Interstella5555
08/09/22 12:54:40 PM
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how miserable and unsafe it feels unless you hire private security.

Ok, then I'll get security.
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DietSchmendrake
08/09/22 12:58:03 PM
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JigsawTDCII posted...
imagine how out of touch youd need to be to even consider making this topic lol

Your first mistake was assuming that I feel any loss by not being "in touch"

Yall seem pretty fucking miserable, and I want no part in it other than to feel good about having it better.
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DietSchmendrake
08/09/22 12:59:10 PM
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Interstella5555 posted...
Ok, then I'll get security.

Shits expensive yo

Even when you have money private security doesnt come cheap.
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adjl
08/09/22 1:05:26 PM
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Generally speaking, dividing neighbourhoods by SES is a bad idea regardless of who goes where. At one extreme, you get ghettos. At the other, you get gated suburbs that disproportionately influence city planning in their favour at the expense of every other region (often actually making it worse for themselves because car-centric infrastructure also sucks for cars). Addiction, crime, and all the other issues associated with the poor are heavily influenced by the environment those involved grow up in: If you actually have parks and passable scenery and functional schools and readily available basic services and community activities, people are much less likely to be so miserable that they resort to drugs or criminal shenanigans just to feel something.

That shithole you grew up in? It's a shithole because a bunch of rich people insisted that it not be anywhere near them. There are more factors to the issue than that, obviously, but the bottom line is that actually trying to solve the problems of homelessness and poverty is going to do a much better job of fixing those issues than pushing them somewhere else will. For all you complain about the problems you faced growing up, you've grown up to become part of those problems instead of trying to solve them.

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Jen0125
08/09/22 1:43:25 PM
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i live in a "low income" neighborhood and i love it. it's lively, people are always out and about, there's no HOA. it's amazing.
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DietSchmendrake
08/09/22 1:48:50 PM
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I know its been a while, but you know I'm not going to read all that adjl.

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DietSchmendrake
08/09/22 1:51:56 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
i live in a "low income" neighborhood and i love it. it's lively, people are always out and about, there's no HOA. it's amazing.


So what you mean to say is that it's not REALLY low income, and more like middle class, but your perspective of the middle class hasnt shifted down with the times.
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Jen0125
08/09/22 1:54:32 PM
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DietSchmendrake posted...
So what you mean to say is that it's not REALLY low income, and more like middle class, but your perspective of the middle class hasnt shifted down with the times.

no it's low income. you used to be able to buy property here for around $150k which is low income in arizona tbh.

i got my house right before stuff popped off for $285k and it was about $100k more than the other homes. my house is a brand new build bringing up prices in the neighborhood along with 2 others built by the same builder.

all the other houses are either low income (privately owned) apartments or have huge families that share expenses. most of the homes were built in the 70s.
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DietSchmendrake
08/09/22 2:01:56 PM
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So you have a big ol fancy house in the middle of what you are telling me is a ghetto Jen? I mean, I guess that's one way to live your life.
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Jen0125
08/09/22 2:06:50 PM
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DietSchmendrake posted...
So you have a big ol fancy house in the middle of what you are telling me is a ghetto Jen? I mean, I guess that's one way to live your life.

it's not super big? and "ghetto" is not what i said lol. i love my neighborhood and i will live here as long as i can stand this state lol
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adjl
08/09/22 2:09:33 PM
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DietSchmendrake posted...
I know its been a while, but you know I'm not going to read all that adjl.

And you know I don't particularly care what you read. Ignorance is your choice, after all.

DietSchmendrake posted...
So what you mean to say is that it's not REALLY low income, and more like middle class, but your perspective of the middle class hasnt shifted down with the times.

More likely, it's actually low-income, it's just not completely destitute.

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DietSchmendrake
08/09/22 2:18:08 PM
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adjl posted...
And you know I don't particularly care what you read. Ignorance is your choice, after all.

Yo, if you want to take the time to condense that shit into the sentence or 2 of actual content, I'm more than happy to read, but unlike some of the people here, I dont equate long winded with smart so your usual schtick has no effect.

More likely, it's actually low-income, it's just not completely destitute.

So not poor then.
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Jen0125
08/09/22 2:20:51 PM
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poor and destitute are not the same thing
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adjl
08/09/22 2:28:03 PM
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DietSchmendrake posted...
Yo, if you want to take the time to condense that s*** into the sentence or 2 of actual content, I'm more than happy to read, but unlike some of the people here, I dont equate long winded with smart so your usual schtick has no effect.

As I've pointed out to you before, if you want a TL;DR version of a piece of persuasive writing but haven't been handed one, you can usually skip to the last couple sentences for a summary of the conclusions.

DietSchmendrake posted...
So not poor then.

If you want to move the goalposts to an extent that renders the word "destitute" redundant, sure, but most of the English-speaking world would disagree with you, so I'm inclined to say that's a rather poor communication strategy.

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DietSchmendrake
08/09/22 2:29:26 PM
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So, it's just middle class, but your scale didnt slide down with reality, like I said before.
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adjl
08/09/22 2:30:41 PM
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DietSchmendrake posted...
So, it's just middle class, but your scale didnt slide down with reality, like I said before.
adjl posted...
If you want to move the goalposts to an extent that renders the word "destitute" redundant, sure, but most of the English-speaking world would disagree with you, so I'm inclined to say that's a rather poor communication strategy.


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DietSchmendrake
08/09/22 2:35:40 PM
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DietSchmendrake posted...
So, it's just middle class, but your scale didnt slide down with reality, like I said before.

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adjl
08/09/22 2:36:48 PM
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Perhaps it would help if you shared your definitions, so we can at least understand what language you're trying to speak.

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DietSchmendrake
08/09/22 2:40:24 PM
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Naw, y'all got me totally dead to rights. Jen just lives in the one low income neighborhood that doesnt have elevated crime rates.

Or income doesn't effect crime rates?

Or she just feels safer in a neighborhood with higher crime rates? She did openly admit to having a history of gravitating toward abusive relationships so that does totally stack up.

I donno, but whichever one it is yall totally got me though. You win, and I lose. Whatever it takes to get adjl to stop trying to have a semantics argument with me again lol.
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Jen0125
08/09/22 2:44:21 PM
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i think you are the one not scaling properly not us tbh

where did we talk about the crime rates of the area i live in? lol
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Nightwind
08/09/22 2:46:44 PM
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How wealthy?
I'm sure I could, I don't know, build apartments, put every poor around me into one, grow community gardens, feed them and make jobs for every single one of them, either bodyguards, groundskeepers, gardeners, maintenance, building more buildings to continue to expand my empire. Dig wells, put a sewage leach field downwind, and do everything needed to make a tiny paradice.

Though of course always keep enough of a fund set asside to buy out anybody who wants to leave, make sure they go with full pockets and a new place to be already picked out.

Hilariously, nobody said I have to live in the mansion, I'll be just as happy in one of the apartments.

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DietSchmendrake
08/09/22 2:46:55 PM
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Yo, why am I having flashes of a time when you used to say words didnt mean anything and semantics were pointless adjl. I have a lot of short term memory problems, but somehow that shit managed to make it to long term.
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DietSchmendrake
08/09/22 2:48:18 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
i think you are the one not scaling properly not us tbh

where did we talk about the crime rates of the area i live in? lol

We didnt. We talked about the income level and your desire to continue living there. I just used my brains that I have like a person to infer the stuff about crime. Weird right?

Edit: Entirely possible I'm not scaling properly. I'm just judging by the way people cry about the death of the middle class, their waning standard of living and the widening of the wealth gap. but hey, if it's really not all that bad then I guess all those people are just whining for free shit.
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adjl
08/09/22 2:49:24 PM
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You always did have trouble thinking in moderate terms.

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Jen0125
08/09/22 2:50:26 PM
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it is weird to infer things people didn't say regarding a question/topic that wasn't addressed, yeah.
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adjl
08/09/22 2:52:19 PM
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Eh, I'd say that crime rates are intrinsic enough to the question at hand that it can be inferred that you considered your local crime rates and decided that they aren't high enough to be a problem for you (which is most likely true, given that you still live there despite having the means to move). It wasn't explicitly addressed, but presumably it's already factored into your opinion.

Now, the assumption that this either means your area has near-zero crime or that you enjoy living in a high-crime area is an example of Schmen's typical black-and-white thinking. That is indeed weird to infer.

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DietSchmendrake
08/09/22 2:52:39 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
it is weird to infer things people didn't say regarding a question/topic that wasn't addressed, yeah.

So you cant deduce information beyond what is spelled out to you and somehow that makes me weird? Ooookay jen.
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Jen0125
08/09/22 2:53:26 PM
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DietSchmendrake posted...
So you cant deduce information beyond what is spelled out to you and somehow that makes me weird? Ooookay jen.

i mean you could try but what is the point when we weren't talking about crime? you're bringing up a new topic because.. i'm not sure. and why would you infer there is less crime or no crime just because i live there?
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Jen0125
08/09/22 2:55:06 PM
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i mean i live in a higher crime state to begin with so i'm not sure why i should be afraid to live anywhere.

i used to live in a super high crime part of the city with an active serial killer. i'm not sure what that has to do with anything because crime rates don't frighten me.
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DietSchmendrake
08/09/22 3:02:26 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
i mean you could try but what is the point when we weren't talking about crime? you're bringing up a new topic because.. i'm not sure. and why would you infer there is less crime or no crime just because i live there?

It's not a new topic for me. I was talking about low income neighborhoods and not wanting to be around all that crime and shit long before you came here. If you were elsewhere then that's YOU going off topic lmao. Calm down.
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DietSchmendrake
08/09/22 3:03:52 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
i mean i live in a higher crime state to begin with so i'm not sure why i should be afraid to live anywhere.

i used to live in a super high crime part of the city with an active serial killer. i'm not sure what that has to do with anything because crime rates don't frighten me.

I already said why that adds up, so if you're just confirming, then we agree, so why you haff to be mad?
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Jen0125
08/09/22 3:04:09 PM
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?? I'm going off topic by responding to your topic? Lmao okay
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Jen0125
08/09/22 3:04:43 PM
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I'm not mad I just can't follow your conversation style apparently. Bringing up random shit
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DietSchmendrake
08/09/22 3:05:18 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
?? I'm going off topic by responding to your topic? Lmao okay

But you didnt lmao
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DietSchmendrake
08/09/22 3:06:44 PM
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Bringing up random shit like crime in a discussion about why someone might not want to live in a low income neighborhood?

Take a moment to chill jen. You're making a fool of yourself.
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Jen0125
08/09/22 3:07:17 PM
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I don't think so but ok lol
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