Current Events > Was the cashier justified in stabbing those robbers?

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wackyteen posted...

Justified at first but once that dudes back was turned stabbing him in the back might have, legally speaking at least, been a little far.

Primary goal should be to subdue, not kill

The thief was stabbed 3 times before retaliating. As far as the cashier concerned, and in the heat of the moment, he did not get the message and seemed to have shrugged off the initial strikes, thus prompting a continued assault until the thief was incapacitated. Think one of the following scenarios: the thief is able to snatch the knife away and stab back; the punch swung knocks the cashier out, leaving him at risk for whatever the thief might've done after the fact. There was no room for if ands or buts, especially after the thief realized he was being stabbed.

The cashier stopped promptly as he had confirmed a hit in a vital area, procedurally carrying the body off.

wackyteen posted...

Justified at first but once that dudes back was turned stabbing him in the back might have, legally speaking at least, been a little far.

Primary goal should be to subdue, not kill

Cuz someone with a gun, which given this in the US where everyone and their dog can get one unless you have an insane prior criminal record, would toooootally not revenge shoot someone who just stabbed you but didn't finish the job and you toooootally wouldn't have a gun when you rob a store given it's the most effective available weapon to do so... No sir-rey

Fuck that shit. The guy forfeited his life the second the second he hopped a counter as the cashier has no way to know wtf he's going to do at that point. Not to mention he's in "heat of the moment" defense mode, so there is no expectation to think clearly when your life is on the line and you're in an agreed upon self defense scenario where the culprit could retaliate in any number of ways that kill you/severely mame you.

Absolutely.

The only failure is that the clerk had a knife instead of a shogun.

Darkprince21 posted...

Just noticed they suspended my main and deleted the topic lmao. What a joke

You deserved to be suspended, they need to ban you.

There's a video of that same exact shop being robbed in early July where four people just ransack the store and empty the cash register, the guy probably lost it when this has happened multiple times.

Imagine having the absolute nerve to try and commit a crime and then play the victim card.

And imagine defending criminals.

Yall for real?

ToPoPO posted...

Only because one shot would be enough, if he shot multiple times he be more vilified than now

Can't speak for a cashiers know how but a double tap is usually recommended as one bullet might not put them on their ass right away. Especially if a smaller caliber. Addeneline is helluva drug. Also real drugs could be involved that make them more tolerant of pain.

Anyways. I haven't watched the video but it's too easy to monday morning quarterback a situation. Things seldom go ideally in the heat of the moment. So I'll just hope it's investigated as throughly as possible and handled accordingly.

Imo the robbers in no way should get any compensation. They chose their path. Whether the cashier deserves criminal charges is a different story.

Personally I'm not gonna fight that hard over money that ain't mine. But I'm not him maybe he just went into panic/blind rage

RISEofCHRISTIAN posted...

Shouldn't even be a debate. Those criminals want to be animals, they'll get treated like dangerous animals. The moment they jump the counter is when they give up human rights.

Lol. Yikes.

Some of y'all strike me as more violent than the robber was

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Lol. Yikes.

Some of y'all strike me as more violent than the robber was

Ye, it gets pretty rough here sometimes.

It's too bad the robbers survived.

Leaning cashier, moreso if it's a family business or he owns the place or something. I would never stab someone if I was him, but I also definitely see why he would.

They didnt seem to be threatening the cashier at all, self defense needs to be proportional to an actual threat and not based entirely on imagination. Not at all justified but Im not surprised to see so many people here with terrible the moment he stole something worth $7 his life was forfeit hot takes.

MajesticFerret posted...

Cuz someone with a gun, which given this in the US where everyone and their dog can get one unless you have an insane prior criminal record, would toooootally not revenge shoot someone who just stabbed you but didn't finish the job and you toooootally wouldn't have a gun when you rob a store given it's the most effective available weapon to do so... No sir-rey

Fuck that shit. The guy forfeited his life the second the second he hopped a counter as the cashier has no way to know wtf he's going to do at that point. Not to mention he's in "heat of the moment" defense mode, so there is no expectation to think clearly when your life is on the line and you're in an agreed upon self defense scenario where the culprit could retaliate in any number of ways that kill you/severely mame you.

I agree, I'm just saying even in self-defense it could still be argued that the cashier 'went too far'

By the time the police show up it may be too late. Cashier 100% correct.

It is crazy how many of you think that being the aggressor and trying to kill somebody based on an entirely imagined threat is the way things should work.

Tenlaar posted...

It is crazy how many of you think that being the aggressor and trying to kill somebody based on an entirely imagined threat is the way things should work.

They don't, they are just happy a criminal got hurt.

Piece of shit got hurt BOO FUCKING HOO

Cashier got hurt with that punch, also got hurt via his wallet and now mental abuse + death/racist threats

I'd link a relevant article but it has the stabbing in it.

But the dude is the shop owner. His livelihood was being threatened so there is no imagined threat. One of them came in wearing a bag on their front and had their hand in the bag, as though they may have been hiding a gun.

They then stole the tip jar, or tried to. He asked them to leave the coins, take the cash which they seemed to return to the counter to do. The video in the article doesn't show if they ultimately absconded with the tip jar, but it says they did.

So after being robbed, the other guy jumps the counter and that's when the shop owner fought back.

So again, it wasn't "an entirely imagined threat"

wackyteen posted...

I'd link a relevant article but it has the stabbing in it.

But the dude is the shop owner. His livelihood was being threatened so there is no imagined threat. One of them came in wearing a bag on their front and had their hand in the bag, as though they may have been hiding a gun.

They then stole the tip jar, or tried to. He asked them to leave the coins, take the cash which they seemed to return to the counter to do. The video in the article doesn't show if they ultimately absconded with the tip jar, but it says they did.

So after being robbed, the other guy jumps the counter and that's when the shop owner fought back.

So again, it wasn't "an entirely imagined threat"

Common sense, really. Its really crazy how out of whack some posters are here. The problem with common sense is that not everyone has it.

SauI_Goodman posted...

Common sense, really. Its really crazy how out of whack some posters are here. The problem with common sense is that not everyone has it.

Its not really crazy at all, nor surprising. Some of these folks *looks at COVxy* tend to be the ones with generally horseshit takes on quite a few other topics as well.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/6/3/AAd2inAADiQr.png

If other people wanna take chances for never coming back to their family because they gave a robber the upper hand, that's up to them. But I wouldn't blame anyone for doing more in that situation to be certain, when the penalty is not going home to take care of everyone who relies on you. I didn't ask to be put in a situation where I have to make those decisions, the other guy did.v

Irony posted...

If someone is robbing you you absolutely have the right to stab them

unfortunately, a ton of state laws nationwide disagree

in fact you arent even legally allowed to defend yourself with a knife in many situations in many states

the cashier was absolutely justified in defending himself and his store by stabbing that perp

If you rob or attempt to rob someone you deserve whatever the fuck happens to you, period.

Cashier channeled his inner-V for a moment there.

When I think about what I want to see at a store, it's cashiers yes and robbers no.

Yes, very much so.

Dunno why some think the robbers should get any sympathy.

I'd have a modicum of sympathy for the robbers if they never jumped the counter.

After that though, fuck it. All bets are off. You are morally obliged to do whatever the fuck is necessary to make sure that person never attacks you again.

Kim_Seong-a posted...

You are morally obliged to do whatever the fuck is necessary to make sure that person never attacks you again.

The person didnt attack him a first time for there to be an again.

Tenlaar posted...

The person didnt attack him a first time for there to be an again.

he was robbing him and jumped the counter. Thats a clear act of aggression from someone whos made it clear theyre ready to harm you to take your shit. Dont be dense

Tenlaar thinks you're not in danger until after you're already bleeding out on the floor.

g0ldie posted...

I don't necessarily wanna blame the cashier because I understand fear and adrenaline taking over, but I also don't support what happened because the dude held on to the robber to continue stabbing him, so it's like it degraded to anger/revenge.

I also understand those feelings, but they feel hard to justify when someone is trying to run away from you.

This is fight or flight. Its absurd to suggest this guy had any responsibility to sit back and philosophically analyze this in the heat of the moment of a situation he didnt create. He was robbed and forced into a position where he had to make a decision to protect himself. These fuckheads deserve zero sympathy. THEY decided to rob a store and create a life or death situation, not the clerk.

Gremlynn posted...

Tenlaar thinks you're not in danger until after you're already bleeding out on the floor.

Yeah my job is clearly different but I feel it should apply here too. An officer should not have to suffer assault (aka get hit first) to defend themselves.

We are also expected to use the minimum force necessary but only you know what you are capable of and don't know what the assailant is capable of so unless there is a large size difference in your favor it's not hard to justify yourself. But unlike regular civilians we do get some training in self defense and carry non lethal weapons

Solid_Snake07 posted...

This is fight or flight. Its absurd to suggest this guy had any responsibility to sit back and philosophically analyze this in the heat of the moment of a situation he didnt create. He was robbed and forced into a position where he had to make a decision to protect himself. These fuckheads deserve zero sympathy. THEY decided to rob a store and create a life or death situation, not the clerk.

Fight or flight isn't some sort of decree. It just refers to HPA axis activation. Jesus, the way people have been saying it suggests either nobody knows what that phrase means or are just bullshitting to justify what they already think is right. People are like "well fight or flight, gotta do one or the other!" No, you can fucking sit still if you are safe too. lmao.

The robber very clearly wasn't coming after him, it doesn't require "philosophical analysis" to see that the dude was b lining it straight to the smokes. The cashier then chased him to stab him. This was no reaction to a threat. It was a decision to fuck the dude up when he had the chance. That choice was made seconds (which is long) before the stabbing started, and is easy to identify on the video.

Most people just enjoy seeing the robber get what's coming to him. "Damn, that's some real justice"

Solid_Snake07 posted...

he was robbing him and jumped the counter. Thats a clear act of aggression from someone whos made it clear theyre ready to harm you to take your shit. Dont be dense

Somebody trying to snatch shit from a store is not an act of aggression and the guy made no move at all towards the cashier. The cashier charged towards the guy. This was not self defense.

Wouldn't be me. I'm sprinting away from that counter.

Thieves are rarely looking to kill you.

ThePrinceFish posted...

The only people not woohooing already are the usual pro-crime posters.

I bet you also wish Joe Biden would ban illegal immigration and stop bussing them into Texas. Also it shouldn't be "pro-crime" to not woohoo videos of people killing each other. We are supposed to be civilized higher beings.

Tenlaar posted...

Somebody trying to snatch shit from a store is not an act of aggression and the guy made no move at all towards the cashier. The cashier charged towards the guy. This was not self defense.

Two robbers boxing the clerk in behind the counter is absolutely reasonably read as an act of aggression. The idea that the clerk had the clarity and time to read the situation as "oh he will just take a pack of cigs and leave" is preposterous.

DeadBankerDream posted...

Two robbers boxing the clerk in behind the counter is absolutely reasonably read as an act of aggression. The idea that the clerk had the clarity and time to read the situation as "oh he will just take a pack of cigs and leave" is preposterous.

It is not preposterous that self defense should require a proportional response to a real threat, not your imagining a threat that could have happened even though it didnt. Also, he was away from the guy with a weapon in his hand and charged towards him. Again, that is not self defense.

Do I think robbing a store is worth a death sentence? No.

But am I going to judge a convenience store cashier, a position infamous for being the target of armed robberies, for not taking a chance when a masked man suddenly jumps behind a counter with him and responding as if his life was in danger? No.

DeadBankerDream posted...

Two robbers boxing the clerk in behind the counter is absolutely reasonably read as an act of aggression. The idea that the clerk had the clarity and time to read the situation as "oh he will just take a pack of cigs and leave" is preposterous.

You're not entirely wrong. We can't even trust cops to read a situation clearly. This clerk has a lot less training and respect than first responders who are literally paid to die for us.

Being beset by robbers from two sides and them blocking off your escape paths are clear fucking threats.

And he didn't charge the dude. There's like a meter of crammed space between them. Charging implies measures of distance that do not exist in this scenario.

At least you can acknowledge that there was space between them before he chose to become the aggressor and move towards the thief. Pre-emotive self defense isnt a thing no matter what terrible scenarios you imagine could have happened.

The stab in the back looked like a bit too much but everything up to that point was fair game

If only the robber couldve done something differently in this situation to avoid getting stabbed.

I somehow read this backwards and accidentally voted no.

COVxy posted...

Fight or flight isn't some sort of decree. It just refers to HPA axis activation. Jesus, the way people have been saying it suggests either nobody knows what that phrase means or are just bullshitting to justify what they already think is right. People are like "well fight or flight, gotta do one or the other!" No, you can fucking sit still if you are safe too. lmao.

The robber very clearly wasn't coming after him, it doesn't require "philosophical analysis" to see that the dude was b lining it straight to the smokes. The cashier then chased him to stab him. This was no reaction to a threat. It was a decision to fuck the dude up when he had the chance. That choice was made seconds (which is long) before the stabbing started, and is easy to identify on the video.

Most people just enjoy seeing the robber get what's coming to him. "Damn, that's some real justice"

*jumps the counter while committing a robbery*

he wasnt coming after him!

Get the fuck out of here with that dumb shit

Solid_Snake07 posted...

*jumps the counter while committing a robbery*

he wasnt coming after him!

Get the fuck out of here with that dumb shit

IMO a world where we attempt to kill every robber and thief might be a little more chaotic than we want

Bloodthirsty people just want to execute everyone that commits a crime.