Poll of the Day > School district adds AR-15s to each school

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https://www.citizen-times.com/story/news/madison/2022/08/05/madison-county-schools-add-ar-15-rifles-enhance-security/10234037002/

Enhanced security lol

I can see no way that this will go horribly wrong /s

Why the AR-15 tho?

Not to intrude with my weird schizo conspiracy theories, but there are hundreds of gun brands and dozens of companies... why is it always the AR-15 and ONLY the AR-15 in the news?

yeah definitely don't want to raise kids in this country

Shotgun would be better. Literally dumb.

grimhilde00 posted...

yeah definitely don't want to raise kids in this country

Hire a tuuuuuutor duder its yer kids futur

The police force down in Texas had all those guns and then some if a gun isnt in the hands of someone with knowledge, experience, bravery, empathy, and heart, then itll do nothing to stop the bad guy. AND EVEN THEN it wont stop all casualties not unlike certain gun control measures.

Lokarin posted...

Why the AR-15 tho?

Not to intrude with my weird schizo conspiracy theories, but there are hundreds of gun brands and dozens of companies... why is it always the AR-15 and ONLY the AR-15 in the news?

AR-15 has become a generic term, especially when it comes to reporting, because it is a term that almost everyone will recognize at least to an extent to know it is an assault rifle. If they said the school district was going to have 'ATI Omni Hybrid Maxx P3' (I literally Google'd AR-15 knock offs and picked the first one that wasn't obviously an AR-15 knockoff) nobody would know what they were talking about.

I'm now picturing one of these but with a rifle in it.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/6/8/AAC4lPAADiHY.png

rjsilverthorn posted...

almost everyone will recognize at least to an extent to know it is an assault rifle

https://www.nssf.org/msr/
AR-15-style rifles are NOT assault weapons or assault rifles. An assault rifle is fully automatic, a machine gun. Automatic firearms have been severely restricted from civilian ownership since 1934.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

I'm now picturing one of these but with a rifle in it.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/6/8/AAC4lPAADiHY.png

https://www.nssf.org/msr/
AR-15-style rifles are NOT assault weapons or assault rifles. An assault rifle is fully automatic, a machine gun. Automatic firearms have been severely restricted from civilian ownership since 1934.

Uh oh. Hes heeerrreeee

Those officers were in that building for so long, and that suspect was able to infiltrate that building and injure and kill so many kids," Sheriff Buddy Harwood said. "I just want to make sure my deputies are prepared in the event that happens."

Holy fuck its like they didnt even find out what happened...

ZangsBeard posted...

Uh oh. Hes heeerrreeee

Lmaooo

ZangsBeard posted...

Holy fuck its like they didnt even find out what happened...

Why let pesky facts get in the way of your agenda...

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

I'm now picturing one of these but with a rifle in it.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/6/8/AAC4lPAADiHY.png

Honestly, probably not far off the mark. I have little to no faith that the safes these school boards will buy will be secure enough to prevent pretty much anyone that wants to access the gun from doing so, given just how many gun safes on the market are virtually useless for keeping anyone other than a curious toddler out. They probably won't actually have easy-break glass doors, but I expect quite a few of them will open with a solid kick, let alone to a teenager that's watched five minutes of lockpicking tutorials on youtube.

can't wait for the lockpickinglawyer to show the 17 easy ways to get into the gun case that aren't even picking the lock

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

I'm now picturing one of these but with a rifle in it.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/6/8/AAC4lPAADiHY.png

https://www.nssf.org/msr/
AR-15-style rifles are NOT assault weapons or assault rifles. An assault rifle is fully automatic, a machine gun. Automatic firearms have been severely restricted from civilian ownership since 1934.

AR 15 is a slur. It's like the n word for guns.

It's funny that all data suggests school resources officers actually make shootings deadlier at worst and don't prevent them to any significant level at best. Arming teachers is a ludicrous idea. The idea that someone untrained or poorly trained in combat is going to be able to switch from a supportive nurturing teacher mindset and take on a hostile, armed threat is silly. Also to make matters worse in the case of teachers with guns, you still have chaos, other kids running for their lives, or unsure what's going on. So taking a person and throwing them into that scenario is just going to cause teachers to mistakenly shoot students who are scared or confused. Hell, even the "trained" guys fail to handle situations like this correctly.

hera posted...

can't wait for the lockpickinglawyer to show the 17 easy ways to get into the gun case that aren't even picking the lock

I can picture it:

So with just some chewing gum and a couple of chemicals found in any science lab, we were able to make some c4; we're going to take that and place it in the shaped charge we made out of a plastic water bottle and use it to blow the lock.

ASlaveObeys posted...

It's funny that all data suggests school resources officers actually make shootings deadlier at worst and don't prevent them to any significant level at best. Arming teachers is a ludicrous idea. The idea that someone untrained or poorly trained in combat is going to be able to switch from a supportive nurturing teacher mindset and take on a hostile, armed threat is silly. Also to make matters worse in the case of teachers with guns, you still have chaos, other kids running for their lives, or unsure what's going on. So taking a person and throwing them into that scenario is just going to cause teachers to mistakenly shoot students who are scared or confused. Hell, even the "trained" guys fail to handle situations like this correctly.

What if they do it in Florida instead and combine it with the teacher veteran law with PTSD teachers?

So due to school shootings rather make guns illegal they introduce more guns to help stop the people with guns, genius idea.

anything to avoid recognizing that way too many guns in the country is the problem

HashtagBringBackBayonets

ASlaveObeys posted...

It's funny that all data suggests school resources officers actually make shootings deadlier at worst and don't prevent them to any significant level at best. Arming teachers is a ludicrous idea. The idea that someone untrained or poorly trained in combat is going to be able to switch from a supportive nurturing teacher mindset and take on a hostile, armed threat is silly. Also to make matters worse in the case of teachers with guns, you still have chaos, other kids running for their lives, or unsure what's going on. So taking a person and throwing them into that scenario is just going to cause teachers to mistakenly shoot students who are scared or confused. Hell, even the "trained" guys fail to handle situations like this correctly.

and also potentially get them shot if they have a police force that actually decides to do the literal thing they are paid to do

but like they're still garbage so they mistake the teacher as the shooter

Revelation34 posted...

What if they do it in Florida instead and combine it with the teacher veteran law with PTSD teachers?

Law enforcement and vets with PTSD are removed from combat posts... so I am going to have to say I don't see any solution where adding guns to a school setting has an efficacy higher than alternatives like, say, working on cultural and gun violence at the core instead of addressing symptoms and fallout.

hera posted...

and also potentially get them shot if they have a police force that actually decides to do the literal thing they are paid to do

Fortunately, the risk of that is apparently very low.

hera posted...

can't wait for the lockpickinglawyer to show the 17 easy ways to get into the gun case that aren't even picking the lock

Bonus points where I fully expect the district will just buy the same model of safe for every school, so once somebody publishes a vulnerability, every school in the district will be at risk of having that vulnerability exploited.

adjl posted...

Fortunately, the risk of that is apparently very low.

they actually have no obligation to "protect" or endanger themselves in the line of duty. The "protect and serve" was a PR stunt by the LAPD because... well... cops needed PR help in LA. In 1989 the SCOTUS ruled that law enforcement have no duty to protect individuals.

ASlaveObeys posted...

they actually have no obligation to "protect" or endanger themselves in the line of duty. The "protect and serve" was a PR stunt by the LAPD because... well... cops needed PR help in LA. In 1989 the SCOTUS ruled that law enforcement have no duty to protect individuals.

It was a shit ruling.

adjl posted...

Bonus points where I fully expect the district will just buy the same model of safe for every school, so once somebody publishes a vulnerability, every school in the district will be at risk of having that vulnerability exploited.

That is almost certainly going to be true since those kinds of purchases are frequently done at the state or district level. A bigger concern is that they will use some kind of single keyed system like a lot of police do so they don't have to track specific keys.

lol, on twitter a couple days ago Joe Biden (or whoever is in charge of the @POTUS account) said that anyone against a rifle ban is against cops...

So I linked him his own FBI statistics that say 80% of cop deaths are from low caliber handguns.

I was lucky. I went to highschool where we didnt even have a school cop/security. Everyone was there to work and enjoy life.

Now a days i see every highschool has a damn squad car in the parking lot. Im like wtf as if theyre just waiting to detain a child. Looks like a prison

We had a cop at my school who would routinely pepper spray the entire lobby and himself whenever there was a fight

we had a cop, he mostly just got kids in trouble for weed or alcohol

Public school is such a mistake lol.

It's like "Im sure this will guaranteed fuck you up for life, but that builds character or something."

Gosh, how could it go wrong!?

Jen0125 posted...

We had a cop at my school who would routinely pepper spray the entire lobby and himself whenever there was a fight

Lmao

DietSchmendrake posted...

Public school is such a mistake lol.

It's like "Im sure this will guaranteed fuck you up for life, but that builds character or something."

Private schools are terrible too.

Revelation34 posted...

Private schools are terrible too.

To my knowledge private schools make up something like 5% of shootings, which is still a high risk to take.

My daughter sure as shit isnt setting foot inside either one

DietSchmendrake posted...

To my knowledge private schools make up something like 5% of shootings, which is still a high risk to take.

My daughter sure as shit isnt setting foot inside either one

Catholic school was good to me. You get a building filled with students of the same religious belief/background. Cuts back on friction/tensions

teddy241 posted...

Catholic school was good to me. You get a building filled with students of the same religious belief/background. Cuts back on friction/tensions

It's better than public school for sure

Like, WAY better

Even though obviously mental healthcare being a free public service would save lives as well as tighter gun regulations, red flag laws (and those things are insanely hard to get through the government designed to block all of those things, save for some of them that can exist in blue states), this is probably not as dumb as it sounds. Some crazy bastards will still show up at elementary schools ready to take out some kids.

The police aren't willing to do it, we all saw that at Uvalde, I'm pretty sure 90% of school teachers would take that weapon and protect their students with it. At least they won't be sitting ducks. But if this goes wrong, we'll find out quickly. Statistics will tell the whole story.

It's just the gall of the move that pisses people off, who don't want to hear "the answer is more guns", understandably.

Yellow posted...

The police aren't willing to do it,

honestly this is the one area the police usually do their job

the uvalde officers are just gigantic pussies

hera posted...

honestly this is the one area the police usually do their job

the uvalde officers are just gigantic pussies

All I know is the culture police have is almost cult-like and a nationwide us vs them thing, and they're very selective of who they let rise in the ranks to keep it that way. When you saw those police standing around in the hallway for an hour (until a border control agent showed up kicked in the door and killed him immediately) to me it was like the epitome of the standard "go home alive" attitude.

I don't really remember what the police did in other shootings.

Yellow posted...

I don't really remember what the police did in other shootings.

their job, which is why you don't really remember anything unusual about them, since they did what you expected them to do

that's why uvalde stands out: because they did not do their jobs, they didn't do their jobs so spectacularly that it stands out like a sore thumb

Yellow posted...

I don't really remember what the police did in other shootings

Show up to take selfies after

Yellow posted...

All I know is the culture police have is almost cult-like and a nationwide us vs them thing, and they're very selective of who they let rise in the ranks to keep it that way. When you saw those police standing around in the hallway for an hour (until a border control agent showed up kicked in the door and killed him immediately) to me it was like the epitome of the standard "go home alive" attitude.

I don't really remember what the police did in other shootings.

Shot unarmed civilians.

hera posted...

their job, which is why you don't really remember anything unusual about them, since they did what you expected them to do

that's why uvalde stands out: because they did not do their jobs, they didn't do their jobs so spectacularly that it stands out like a sore thumb

Yeah I think Uvalde was condemned for breaking the official procedure

I'm not sure what you guys are talking about because there's definitely a history of police inaction during school shootings starting way back with Columbine

Ive seen good responses locally but I feel like Uvalde proves more guns is an unreliable strategy. You had a guard with a gun and trained officers with guns and they still didnt stop the shooter.

So I dont understand how anyone thought this was a good idea.

So after actually reading the article (I should have read it before posting tbh) it looks like the officers will get to the school, break the safety mechanisms, and then the police get the ar-15. It won't be the school staff that has the gun.

So yeah whatever the implications of that are, that's what it is. I guess for whatever reason they can't just carry one in their car, or if they can they felt like that would slow them down.

teddy241 posted...

Catholic school was good to me. You get a building filled with students of the same religious belief/background. Cuts back on friction/tensions

my public school was homogeneous in religious beliefs and background too. I would consider that a negative actually, less exposure to diversity and different ways of thinking, which I'm thankful I got after going to university