Poll of the Day > Albuquerque police killed a child during a botched raid

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Jen0125
07/21/22 11:32:25 AM
#51:


OhhhJa posted...
I consider 20 year olds to be children honestly. Most act like it at least

I agree lol. I get that 18 is the legal age to be an adult but there are plenty of 18-21 year olds I would still consider children.
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Jen0125
07/21/22 11:33:00 AM
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Revelation34 posted...
Neither are ok. Nobody thought a teen was killed by reading the thread title.


Teenagers are children.
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Jen0125
07/21/22 11:34:04 AM
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Even if the 15 year old was a participant to the crime how does that not make this a botched raid that killed a child? Lol guilt or innocence has nothing to do with that.
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Far-Queue
07/21/22 11:35:16 AM
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I'm curious if these clowns think it's less sad that the child who died is 15, as opposed to say a 6 year-old or something. Like, what does it matter? It's fucking weird to be this hung up on something they're wrong about in the first place.

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adjl
07/21/22 11:57:41 AM
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Far-Queue posted...
Saying "most people think" is anecdotal at best, and even if it weren't it still doesn't change the facts laid out in the topic title

It does, however, change how that statement of facts is likely to be interpreted. Communication is a two-way street. If you say something in a way that people are likely to misinterpret, you are misleading people (intentionally or otherwise).

VampireCoyote posted...
wtf led you to think this

Why do I think the kid wasn't innocent? Because he was actively participating in a crime (specifically, harbouring a fugitive). Not a crime that deserves capital punishment, obviously, nor any sort of violent response and probably not even a criminal conviction, but he was nonetheless not an innocent bystander.

Why did I think the title suggested he was an innocent bystander? Mostly because catching innocent children in the crossfire is pretty routine for police these days, so my first thought was that this was another example of that and not one of using excessive force irresponsibly against somebody who was actually committing a crime (albeit a non-violent one that didn't warrant such force).

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VampireCoyote
07/21/22 11:59:17 AM
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what did you expect a 15 year old to do in that situation other than just sit tight and wait for it to be over

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Gaawa_chan
07/21/22 12:02:05 PM
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adjl posted...
Because he was actively participating in a crime (specifically, harbouring a fugitive). Not a crime that deserves capital punishment, obviously, nor any sort of violent response and probably not even a criminal conviction, but he was nonetheless not an innocent bystander.
This is a bizarre leap in logic coming from you.

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TheSlinja
07/21/22 12:02:55 PM
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bruh a 15 year old cant "harbour" anybody

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Jen0125
07/21/22 12:04:00 PM
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How can a child harbor a criminal?? Lmao he's 15 years old. Like he's not responsible for that other person and doesn't own the house they're in.
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Far-Queue
07/21/22 12:05:59 PM
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Failing to understand that a child can be 15 years-old isn't misleading on my part.

Bringing up guilt or innocence for whatever bizarre reason isn't misleading on my part.

It's not an issue of interpretation. It's an issue of people jumping to conclusions.

Topic title is straight facts. Nothing misleading about it.

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Far-Queue
07/21/22 12:06:57 PM
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Gaawa_chan posted...
This is a bizarre leap in logic coming from you.
Right? I'm starting to think adjl might've slept poorly last night. Homeboy is usually more on-point

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JigsawTDCII
07/21/22 12:12:40 PM
#62:


adjl trying his hand at PO levels of pedantic here
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Jen0125
07/21/22 12:15:38 PM
#63:


Adjl has been off his game in quite a few topics imo
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darkknight109
07/21/22 12:23:27 PM
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I was about to say "old news"... then I realized it's a *different* kid killed by a flashbang tossed into a house than the one from a few years ago.

What a time to be alive.

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BlackScythe0
07/21/22 12:43:30 PM
#65:


Far-Queue posted...
Failing to understand that a child can be 15 years-old isn't misleading on my part.

Bringing up guilt or innocence for whatever bizarre reason isn't misleading on my part.

It's not an issue of interpretation. It's an issue of people jumping to conclusions.

Topic title is straight facts. Nothing misleading about it.

I called it misleading because this title immediately reminds one of the story from several years ago where cops thought it was cool to throw a flashbang into a crib. You knew what you were doing.
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VampireCoyote
07/21/22 12:49:03 PM
#66:


BlackScythe0 posted...
I called it misleading because this title immediately reminds one of the story from several years ago where cops thought it was cool to throw a flashbang into a crib. You knew what you were doing.

that doesnt even make sense

you think you were misled because this is a new story and not one that you remember from years ago ?

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Far-Queue
07/21/22 12:52:17 PM
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VampireCoyote posted...
that doesnt even make sense

you think you were misled because this is a new story and not one that you remember from years ago ?
Exactly.

Again. It's not misleading. It's you cats jumping to conclusions.

I didn't mention flashbangs or babies in the topic title. Not misleading.

If you came to that conclusion because you want to react to a headline before getting all the details, that's on you bruh. It says "Albuquerque" in the topic title. The crib incident occurred in Georgia. That alone should've prevented you from making rash assumptions but here we are

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Jen0125
07/21/22 12:58:20 PM
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Dude so many people on this board are weird in the bad way
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Far-Queue
07/21/22 1:02:54 PM
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I prefer being weird in the weird way

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AltOmega2
07/21/22 1:16:56 PM
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There's a joke in here somewhere about abortion and pro-lifers/choicers
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adjl
07/21/22 1:33:08 PM
#71:


Gaawa_chan posted...
This is a bizarre leap in logic coming from you.

Reading the article again, they are pretty vague about the kid's involvement. It sounds like he followed the fugitive into the house voluntarily, which on my first pass I assumed meant he was trying to protect him in some way, but it could just as easily be read more neutrally and leave open the possibility that he was taken as a hostage, or even just that he also lived there and chose to stay inside instead of leaving when the police showed up (probably not a bad idea, given the high probability of being shot if he opened the door).

Jen0125 posted...
How can a child harbor a criminal??

The same way anyone else does: By using whatever means they have available to protect the person from the police. Kids have fewer means available, but that doesn't mean it's impossible.

Now, should they be criminally prosecuted for, say, helping to barricade a door that their older brother is hiding behind (not to imply that's what happened here, since there aren't enough details to infer that)? Potentially not. By virtue of being younger, kids (although 15 is pushing into territory where this excuse doesn't work as well anymore) aren't necessarily going to make good decisions in a high-pressure, emotionally charged situation like that, so calling it a legitimate mistake and letting them off with a warning may be reasonable. That's something that needs to be decided on a case-by-case basis, based on the details. More broadly, though, there's no reason to categorically say that a child can't help an adult hide from the law.

JigsawTDCII posted...
adjl trying his hand at PO levels of pedantic here

I've always been PO levels of pedantic.

Far-Queue posted...
I'm curious if these clowns think it's less sad that the child who died is 15, as opposed to say a 6 year-old or something. Like, what does it matter? It's f***ing weird to be this hung up on something they're wrong about in the first place.

Mostly, it's a matter of speaking accurately instead of leaving out details for the sake of appealing more strongly to the reader's emotions, which is what you've come across as doing (intentionally or otherwise). That affects people's understanding of the situation, and once they figure out the whole truth of the matter, may lead to them dismissing your position as being histrionic and alarmist and feeling that the police may have been right (see: BS0 having doubts about the police's culpability). Obviously, the police are wrong and there's zero excuse for this. You don't need to leave out details or appeal to anyone's emotions to convey that conclusion.

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Far-Queue
07/21/22 1:40:37 PM
#72:


"Albuquerque police killed a child during a botched raid"

What is inaccurate about that?


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DirtBasedSoap
07/21/22 1:46:06 PM
#73:


Far-Queue posted...
"Albuquerque police killed a child during a botched raid"

What is inaccurate about that?


nothing. dude needs to find a hobby instead of arguing semantics (that hes completely wrong about) on a dying social board on a dying video game forum.

like join a writing workshop or some shit

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DiScOrDtHeLuNaTiC
07/21/22 2:50:57 PM
#74:


Blightzkrieg posted...
Statements by police are worth less than nothing tbh
"The individual in this case lost their life. But what is life or death to the sky?"

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Zareth
07/21/22 2:57:18 PM
#75:


Everyone is technically someone's child

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JOExHIGASHI
07/21/22 3:47:58 PM
#76:


Zareth posted...
Everyone is technically someone's child
Yes but in this case child means under 18.

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FatalAccident
07/21/22 3:57:04 PM
#77:


Love when an argument about something serious devolves into semantics

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AltOmega2
07/21/22 4:01:36 PM
#78:


FatalAccident posted...
Love when an argument about something serious devolves into semantics
Modern social politics is all about arguing definitions
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Far-Queue
07/21/22 4:15:49 PM
#79:


JOExHIGASHI posted...
Yes but in this case child means under 18.
Oh wow someone else who knows what a child is. Amazing

AltOmega2 posted...
Modern social politics is all about arguing definitions

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/0/9/AAZslrAADej5.jpg

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mario2000
07/21/22 4:30:05 PM
#80:


imagine defending cops murdering a child

imagine defending cops

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ZangsBeard
07/21/22 4:37:15 PM
#81:


Far-Queue posted...
Oh wow someone else who knows what a child is. Amazing

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/0/9/AAZslrAADej5.jpg

Holy shit, Bill was telling us about ISIS ages ago!

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DirtBasedSoap
07/21/22 5:36:56 PM
#82:


saying adjl is as pedantic as PO is honestly an insult to PO, at least he usually has a point.

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Cruddy_horse
07/22/22 1:15:02 AM
#83:


OhhhJa posted...
I consider 20 year olds to be children honestly. Most act like it at least

This.
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JigsawTDCII
07/22/22 2:06:55 AM
#84:


DirtBasedSoap posted...
saying adjl is as pedantic as PO is honestly an insult to PO, at least he usually has a point.


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DirtBasedSoap
07/22/22 2:13:37 AM
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i might not agree with his point but i can at least understand what hes getting at.

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Conner4REAL
07/22/22 10:10:16 AM
#86:


Far-Queue posted...
Tossed flashbangs that set the house on fire with the the kid still inside. Kid was not the suspect they were after.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna38008

That's some quality serving and protecting


are you certain the kid was innocent? I mean the kid could have been waving a firearm at police or worse been targeting them with a Nintendo zapper.

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adjl
07/22/22 1:20:10 PM
#87:


FatalAccident posted...
Love when an argument about something serious devolves into semantics

I mean, there's not much serious argument to be had here. The situation was non-violent, so the use of violent measures to resolve it wasn't justified, made especially irresponsible by the failure to take precautions to avoid causing more serious harm (specifically, preemptively calling the fire department). Pretty much everyone agrees the police were in the wrong, pretty much everyone agrees that they probably won't face any consequences and that that's a reflection of just how fundamentally broken America's police are... what's left to say except to critique each others' writing habits?

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