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pogo_rabid
07/09/22 10:37:26 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiWzUq2J0T4

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gmanthebest
07/09/22 10:39:44 AM
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Good for him for protecting his family

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brotrrwinner
07/09/22 10:39:56 AM
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I'd hate to be shot. It's why I never invaded someone's house

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Pepys_Monster
07/09/22 10:41:58 AM
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brotrrwinner posted...
I'd hate to be shot. It's why I never invaded someone's house
If this doesn't prove the value of the second amendment, I don't know what does.

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Gobstoppers12
07/09/22 10:46:55 AM
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Good shooting, give him a medal.

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HANGtheDJ_86
07/09/22 10:55:58 AM
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I keep a pry bar under my futon for such occasions

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JuanCarlos1
07/09/22 10:56:39 AM
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Pepys_Monster posted...
If this doesn't prove the value of the second amendment, I don't know what does.

Sure didnt need an assault rifle for that.

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Pepys_Monster
07/09/22 11:25:40 AM
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JuanCarlos1 posted...
Sure didnt need an assault rifle for that.
What? A semi-automatic AR-15 (Which is not an assault rifle) also would have stopped the home invasion by these three men.

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Kitt
07/09/22 11:27:20 AM
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That tends to happen when you break into someone's home.

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gmanthebest
07/09/22 4:42:19 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Yep. Sad my country tries to protect scummy home invaders

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UnholyMudcrab
07/09/22 4:44:18 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/3/0/AAUFZqAADbwi.jpg

Edit: Oh, I read the title wrong. I thought it said the home invader was hiding in the closet.

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Priere
07/09/22 4:46:21 PM
#13:


gmanthebest posted...
Yep. Sad my country tries to protect scummy home invaders
"Just hide in the closet and pray they leave"

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RiKuToTheMiGhtY
07/09/22 4:50:37 PM
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gmanthebest posted...
Yep. Sad my country tries to protect scummy home invaders
Some places in the USA do as well and try to punish the person defending themselves and/or others.

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Solution_45
07/09/22 5:04:27 PM
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would have preferred a 100% success rate, but 33% will do i guess
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Lordgold666
07/09/22 5:10:23 PM
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Lol good fair next

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Timmyjinkle
07/09/22 5:15:14 PM
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Same thing happened in the UK, someone tried to protect himself from intruders and got charged with murder:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-49355814

Fortunately, due to UK laws being so lenient towards murder themselves, he was out in 3 years (after his parole got denied at 6 months).

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Collat
07/09/22 5:20:38 PM
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Yup. Fair.

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I've heard of burglars trying to sue the home owner in both countries. Not sure what the success rate is.

Ironically. You are probably less likely to get in trouble if you kill them.
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Kitt
07/09/22 5:20:53 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/3/0/AAUFZqAADbwi.jpg

Edit: Oh, I read the title wrong. I thought it said the home invader was hiding in the closet.
Lmao

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SauI_Goodman
07/09/22 5:21:37 PM
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In america too.

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SSJPurple
07/09/22 5:28:27 PM
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Fair, next.

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Funkydog
07/12/22 6:40:15 AM
#24:


Timmyjinkle posted...
Same thing happened in the UK, someone tried to protect himself from intruders and got charged with murder:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-49355814

Fortunately, due to UK laws being so lenient towards murder themselves, he was out in 3 years (after his parole got denied at 6 months).
The issue with this case was he shot them in the back as they were fleeing. We've plenty of cases where people have killed invaders and not seen jail time.

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MrMallard
07/12/22 6:47:00 AM
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I'm happy for him. He saved the lives of his family.

More shootings still occur in the home from unsecured firearms being used by children than from responsible gun-owning people using firearms to defend themselves.

I genuinely commend the guy for protecting his family. But statements like

Pepys_Monster posted...
If this doesn't prove the value of the second amendment, I don't know what does.
are fallacious and short-sighted.

Dude was one person who was skilled and lucky enough to properly use his firearm as a self defence tool. In an ideal world, he would be the norm. A well-regulated militia would be a standard that America lives up to if this guy was the norm. But statistics show that he's not. There's a higher chance of a gunowner being shot by their own gun or of a child shooting themselves or others than there is of a guy like this successfully preventing a robbery. To say that this justifies every dickhead in America having an equal chance to purchase a gun is fucking moronic.

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Background_Guy
07/12/22 9:23:58 AM
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Pepys_Monster posted...
If this doesn't prove the value of the second amendment, I don't know what does.
Why do right wingers always lie?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9715182/
For every time a gun in the home was used in a self-defense or legally justifiable shooting, there were four unintentional shootings, seven criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2759797/
After adjustment, individuals in possession of a gun were 4.46 (P < .05) times more likely to be shot in an assault than those not in possession. Among gun assaults where the victim had at least some chance to resist, this adjusted odds ratio increased to 5.45 (P < .05).

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gunplagirl
07/12/22 9:27:03 AM
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HANGtheDJ_86 posted...
I keep a pry bar under my futon for such occasions
Under? I keep my stuff to the side so it's easy to grab

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pogo_rabid
07/12/22 9:39:56 AM
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gunplagirl posted...
Under? I keep my stuff to the side so it's easy to grab
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/8/1/AAd2inAADcZ9.jpg

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DipDipDiver
07/12/22 9:44:17 AM
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I keep a gun in my gun so I can shoot while I shoot
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gunplagirl
07/12/22 9:44:41 AM
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pogo_rabid posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/8/1/AAd2inAADcZ9.jpg
Golf club leaning against the wall but yeah, same concept

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thronedfire2
07/12/22 9:48:33 AM
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...
Some places in the USA do as well and try to punish the person defending themselves and/or others.

the only time I've ever heard of this happening is when someone chases the suspects out of the house and shoots them, cause that's no longer self defense.

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The_Creep_2020
07/12/22 9:50:38 AM
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Pepys_Monster posted...
If this doesn't prove the value of the second amendment, I don't know what does.
How about all them unintentional discharges? Just asking because you strike me as an expert.

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Sufferedphoneix
07/12/22 9:53:46 AM
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MrMallard posted...
I'm happy for him. He saved the lives of his family.

More shootings still occur in the home from unsecured firearms being used by children than from responsible gun-owning people using firearms to defend themselves.

I genuinely commend the guy for protecting his family. But statements like

are fallacious and short-sighted.

Dude was one person who was skilled and lucky enough to properly use his firearm as a self defence tool. In an ideal world, he would be the norm. A well-regulated militia would be a standard that America lives up to if this guy was the norm. But statistics show that he's not. There's a higher chance of a gunowner being shot by their own gun or of a child shooting themselves or others than there is of a guy like this successfully preventing a robbery. To say that this justifies every dickhead in America having an equal chance to purchase a gun is fucking moronic.

That's from people being idiots. Maybe we should have people take classes to own a gun maybe.

Most states iirc have laws about how you store guns if children are in the house. At least several do.

Parenting is a thing too. I was the kid who'd fuck around with shit I shouldn't but my mom taught me about gun safety when I was a kid.

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Ilishe
07/12/22 10:03:51 AM
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One of few instances where I have no qualms about applying extreme violence.

They invade your home whatever happens to them is their own fault.

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Background_Guy
07/12/22 10:08:41 AM
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thronedfire2 posted...
the only time I've ever heard of this happening is when someone chases the suspects out of the house and shoots them, cause that's no longer self defense.
The person you're replying to probably considers that self-defense, lol
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ScionTC_07
07/12/22 10:10:14 AM
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If the guy lived in CA, he's getting charged with murder AND the robber can sue the family

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Background_Guy
07/12/22 10:13:18 AM
#37:


ScionTC_07 posted...
If the guy lived in CA, he's getting charged with murder AND the robber can sue the family
California is ranked 44 out of 50 when it comes to rate of shooting deaths.
https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/gun-deaths-by-state-ranked/
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MasterVading
07/12/22 10:46:49 AM
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ScionTC_07 posted...
If the guy lived in CA, he's getting charged with murder AND the robber can sue the family


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kingdrake2
07/12/22 11:05:26 AM
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ScionTC_07 posted...
If the guy lived in CA, he's getting charged with murder AND the robber can sue the family


i don't agree with that least when it comes to home defense. but it's state law unfortunately.

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DuneMan
07/12/22 11:53:31 AM
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IIRC they call it a 'duty to retreat' state. CA has some really stupid laws when it comes to helping criminals though. E.g. if a criminal climbs on your roof, tries to enter through a skylight only to fall onto a table below, lacerating their legs and possibly fracturing bones, they can successfully sue to the homeowner for damages for their injuries.

Nevermind the fact that the criminal never would have received those injuries save for the fact that they were climbing through a skylight to rob a house... Common sense would dictate that there isn't a reasonable expectation of safety when climbing through a skylight in the middle of the night, meaning "you're so stupid you deserve full responsibility for those injuries, and for damage to the house".

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haloiscoolisbak
07/12/22 11:57:46 AM
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DuneMan posted...
IIRC they call it a 'duty to retreat' state. CA has some really stupid laws when it comes to helping criminals though. E.g. if a criminal climbs on your roof, tries to enter through a skylight only to fall onto a table below, lacerating their legs and possibly fracturing bones, they can successfully sue to the homeowner for damages for their injuries.

Nevermind the fact that the criminal never would have received those injuries save for the fact that they were climbing through a skylight to rob a house... Common sense would dictate that there isn't a reasonable expectation of safety when climbing through a skylight in the middle of the night, meaning "you're so stupid you deserve full responsibility for those injuries, and for damage to the house".

I don't even understand how this law can be enforced with a straight face by the people involved

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Lorenzo_2003
07/12/22 12:35:28 PM
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Background_Guy posted...
Every second amendment supporter loves innocent people dying

You asked why these right wingers lie, but then undermined your own post by making that ridiculous claim above.

Why embarrass yourself like that?

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superman_2000
07/12/22 12:38:23 PM
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Every time you try to rob a house, you take a chance on the homeowner having a deadly weapon and blasting your ass. This guy took that chance, and paid that price.

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Solution_45
07/12/22 12:56:49 PM
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DuneMan posted...
IIRC they call it a 'duty to retreat' state. CA has some really stupid laws when it comes to helping criminals though. E.g. if a criminal climbs on your roof, tries to enter through a skylight only to fall onto a table below, lacerating their legs and possibly fracturing bones, they can successfully sue to the homeowner for damages for their injuries.

Nevermind the fact that the criminal never would have received those injuries save for the fact that they were climbing through a skylight to rob a house... Common sense would dictate that there isn't a reasonable expectation of safety when climbing through a skylight in the middle of the night, meaning "you're so stupid you deserve full responsibility for those injuries, and for damage to the house".

newsom must've meant freedom for criminals in his florida ads
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What_
07/13/22 8:55:03 PM
#46:


gmanthebest posted...
Good for him for protecting his family

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Tyranthraxus
07/13/22 8:56:36 PM
#47:


RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...
Some places in the USA do as well and try to punish the person defending themselves and/or others.

No. Nowhere in the USA are you not allowed to shoot a home invader who has breached the interior.

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SoIidLegacy
07/13/22 9:00:08 PM
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Personally I just lock my doors. That seems to work.

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What_
07/13/22 9:11:23 PM
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DuneMan posted...
IIRC they call it a 'duty to retreat' state. CA has some really stupid laws when it comes to helping criminals though. E.g. if a criminal climbs on your roof, tries to enter through a skylight only to fall onto a table below, lacerating their legs and possibly fracturing bones, they can successfully sue to the homeowner for damages for their injuries.

Nevermind the fact that the criminal never would have received those injuries save for the fact that they were climbing through a skylight to rob a house... Common sense would dictate that there isn't a reasonable expectation of safety when climbing through a skylight in the middle of the night, meaning "you're so stupid you deserve full responsibility for those injuries, and for damage to the house".

literally none of this is true. Nice Trump slurping Republican propaganda bullshit.

The only time a case even came close to this in California was when a dude chased a home invader outside of his house the guy was running away and he shot him in the back in the middle of the street as he was running away
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Tyranthraxus
07/13/22 9:31:56 PM
#50:


haloiscoolisbak posted...
I don't even understand how this law can be enforced with a straight face by the people involved
It can't because it doesn't exist.

DuneMan posted...
E.g. if a criminal climbs on your roof, tries to enter through a skylight only to fall onto a table below, lacerating their legs and possibly fracturing bones, they can successfully sue to the homeowner for damages for their injuries.

Nevermind the fact that the criminal never would have received those injuries save for the fact that they were climbing through a skylight to rob a house... Common sense would dictate that there isn't a reasonable expectation of safety when climbing through a skylight in the middle of the night, meaning "you're so stupid you deserve full responsibility for those injuries, and for damage to the house".

You're discussing a hypothetical example brought up in Congress over a legal controversy known as Tort reform. The incident in question, which has appeared in pop culture again and again including huge movies like Liar, Liar never actually happened. It was a hypothetical example of something that MIGHT happen except there are many legal defenses a homeowner could use to avoid liability in such an event.

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