Current Events > So Wait, was the 2016 DNC RIGGED Against Bernie or Not?

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I hear the more edgy Democrats saying "It wasn't rigged, he just didn't get votes"

But I see the more sane Democrats saying "Hillary was literally given the debate questions beforehand, and the DNC rigged it against Bernie the whole step of the way"

Which is it?

Yes.

The Dems wouldnt do that, theyre the good guys.

I think it was

Bernie literally confirmed that he also got debate questions early.

2020 was closer to a rig than 2016.

Okay good, then we are in agreeance

it was absolutely rigged

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rig2
/ri/
verb
past tense: rigged; past participle: rigged
manage or conduct (something) fraudulently so as to produce a result or situation that is advantageous to a particular person.
"charges of vote-rigging"

Its like the Tour De France, everyone was juicing, Lance just did it better.

Its like Baseball, everyone was juicing, Berry Bonds just did it better

Wait, so Bernie was on steroids?

It was ansolutely rigged.

He wasnt gonna win anyway, but youd have to be a tool to think the DNC didnt actively try to eliminate any chance no matter how remote.

wasnt rigged ppl just didnt vote

TheBrainbuster posted...

Wait, so Bernie was on steroids?

Hilary just did it better

It was in that the DNC purposely talked as if he had already lost, gave all their superdelegates before any actual voting and did their best to get the others in line to choose not Bernie.

Of course the opposition gets more votes.

Infact the breach of the DNC undercovered plans to try to tell the public he was an atheist and thus unfit to be potus.
Kinda weird to find such a thing when not... rigged. "he lost anyways!"

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is the system against you?

if so I would call that rigged

and it was

He took the money and ran.

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WAS IT RIGGED OR NOT, holy shit dude. It's a word that 1st graders know.

Zagoth_Triome posted...

You trying to tell me that do nothing Biden just naturally got more votes than ball bustin Bernie? I don't buy it

He did. Granted it was because the whole party endorsed his failing campaign at the last minute.

Now, CE knows that I am a vocal opponent of the death penalty. But if it would put a stop to discussions of the 2016 primary, I could be swayed on the matter.

put it like this

the system worked in the favor of Hilary

the system was designed to keep Bernie out

would you call that rigged?

in other words, to win Bernie has to beat the primary system itself. to win Hilary just had to run

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And aversion to answering a yes or no question is a Politician.

You're a weird meltdown

TheBrainbuster posted...

And aversion to answering a yes or no question is a Politician.

Depends on the context of the yes or no question. I would always specify the usage of "rigged" when describing political scenarios, given what Trump has done with that word.

Well this is interesting...at first everyone in here said yes...but now I'm seeing some no's.

:O

Hoodroar posted...

He did. Granted it was because the whole party endorsed his failing campaign at the last minute.

People keep saying this as if political endorsements are sinister.

Hoodroar posted...

Bernie literally confirmed that he also got debate questions early.

2020 was closer to a rig than 2016.

Agreed. He was winning in polls against every candidate in the pre election, until you mysteriously see candidates step down early to just have Biden left, and all endorse him.

Elizabeth Warren didn't back him up. They had some weird falling out. But maybe she was told to stand down also.

Arcanine2009 posted...

Agreed. He was winning in polls against every candidate in the pre election, until you mysteriously see candidates step down early to just have Biden left really.

So wait...you're saying BOTH 2016 AND 2020 were rigged against Bernie?

Antifar posted...

Now, CE knows that I am a vocal opponent of the death penalty. But if it would put a stop to discussions of the 2016 primary, I could be swayed on the matter.

Only the dead know the end of 2016

TheBrainbuster posted...

So wait...you're saying BOTH 2016 AND 2020 were rigged against Bernie?

absolutely. The establishment DNC does not want a radical like Bernie to run for president.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/us/politics/democratic-superdelegates.html

Democratic Leaders Willing to Risk Party Damage to Stop Bernie Sanders

Interviews with dozens of Democratic Party officials, including 93 superdelegates, found overwhelming opposition to handing Mr. Sanders the nomination if he fell short of a majority of delegates.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senator Chuck Schumer, the minority leader, hear constant warnings from allies about congressional losses in November if the party nominates Bernie Sanders for president. Democratic House members share their Sanders fears on text-messaging chains. Bill Clinton, in calls with old friends, vents about the party getting wiped out in the general election.
And officials in the national and state parties are increasingly anxious about splintered primaries on Super Tuesday and beyond, where the liberal Mr. Sanders, of Vermont, edges out moderate candidates who collectively win more votes.
Dozens of interviews with Democratic establishment leaders this week show that they are not just worried about Mr. Sanderss candidacy, but are also willing to risk intraparty damage to stop his nomination at the national convention in July if they get the chance. Since Mr. Sanderss victory in Nevadas caucuses on Saturday, The Times has interviewed 93 party officials all of them superdelegates, who could have a say on the nominee at the convention and found overwhelming opposition to handing the Vermont senator the nomination if he arrived with the most delegates but fell short of a majority.

From California to the Carolinas, and North Dakota to Ohio, the party leaders say they worry that Mr. Sanders, a democratic socialist with passionate but limited support so far, will lose to President Trump, and drag down moderate House and Senate candidates in swing states with his left-wing agenda of Medicare for all and free four-year public college.

Jay Jacobs, the New York State Democratic Party chairman and a superdelegate, echoing many others interviewed, said that superdelegates should choose a nominee they believed had the best chance of defeating Mr. Trump if no candidate wins a majority of delegates during the primaries. Mr. Sanders argued that he should become the nominee at the convention with a plurality of delegates, to reflect the will of voters, and that denying him the nomination would enrage his supporters and split the party for years to come.
Bernie wants to redefine the rules and just say he just needs a plurality, Mr. Jacobs said. I dont think we buy that. I dont think the mainstream of the Democratic Party buys that. If he doesnt have a majority, it stands to reason that he may not become the nominee.
This article is based on interviews with the 93 superdelegates, out of 771 total, as well as party strategists and aides to senior Democrats about the thinking of party leaders. A vast majority of those superdelegates whose ranks include federal elected officials, former presidents and vice presidents and D.N.C. members predicted that no candidate would clinch the nomination during the primaries, and that there would be a brokered convention fight in July to choose a nominee.
In a reflection of the establishments wariness about Mr. Sanders, only nine of the 93 superdelegates interviewed said that Mr. Sanders should become the nominee purely on the basis of arriving at the convention with a plurality, if he was short of a majority.

GranolaPanic posted...

The fact is that Bernie Sanders is simply unelectable in this country and his supporters refuse to listen. Hes too extreme for middle America because of the undeserved stigma that Socialism has in this country.

Guys, the question was not "Could Bernie have won the 2016 Presidential Election"

The question was "Was the DNC rigged against him in 2016"

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Arcanine2009 posted...

Agreed. He was winning in polls against every candidate in the pre election, until you mysteriously see candidates step down early to just have Biden left, and all endorse him.

Elizabeth Warren didn't back him up. They had some weird falling out. But maybe she was told to stand down also.

yeah its called a primary?

Bernie lost because of his unpopular supporters.

GranolaPanic posted...

If Sanders was the nominee in 2016, he still wouldve lost to Trump. And itd be by far greater margins than Hillary lost by.

how?

https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/ct-dnc-sanders-glanton-talk-20160725-column.html

DNC betrayed Bernie Sanders and the rest of America

The leaked emails from the Democratic National Committee apparently confirmed what they have said all along that the political system was rigged against their candidate in favor of Hillary Clinton.
Top Democrats essentially dismissed Sanders as a viable candidate during the primaries, attempted to undermine him with voters and even took steps to derail his campaign, according to hacked emails that were recently made public by WikiLeaks.

In doing so, Democrats tarnished the electoral process and alienated a large constituency of voters that they will need to help lift Clinton to victory in November.
In other words, the Democrats created a mess. And they are turning to Sanders the very one they betrayed to come in and clean it up.

GranolaPanic posted...

If Sanders was the nominee in 2016, he still wouldve lost to Trump. And itd be by far greater margins than Hillary lost by.

Yeah okay nostradamus

GranolaPanic posted...

I firmly believe had Bernie been the nominee that blue states like Oregon and New Jersey wouldve flipped red.

Sanders supporters cant accept that his policies are too extreme for the middle class who have been indoctrinated to hate anything that contains the word Socialism.

lmfao, this guy

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/23/us/politics/dnc-emails-sanders-clinton.html

The emails appear to bolster Mr. Sanderss claims that the committee, and in particular Ms. Wasserman Schultz, did not treat him fairly. His campaign accused the committee of scheduling debates on weekends so fewer people would see them. And in May, Jeff Weaver, Mr. Sanderss campaign manager, said on CNN that we could have a long conversation just about Debbie Wasserman Schultz and how shes been throwing shade at the Sanders campaign since the very beginning.

In an email exchange that month, another committee official wrote to both Mr. Paustenbach and Amy Dacey, the committees chief executive, to suggest finding a way to bring attention to the religious beliefs of an unnamed person, apparently Mr. Sanders.

It might may no difference, but for KY and WVA can we get someone to ask his belief. Does he believe in a God, wrote Brad Marshall, the chief financial officer of the committee. He had skated on saying he has a Jewish heritage. I think I read he is an atheist. This could make several points difference with my peeps.

Mr. Marshall added in a second email: Its these Jesus thing. Ms. Dacey wrote back, in capital letters: AMEN.

wouldn't go so far as to say the process itself was rigged, but the clinton machine never plays clean

Hoodroar posted...

2020 was closer to a rig than 2016.

True. Bernie was the leading candidate right up until 5 candidates all dropped out at the same time & pledged allegiance to Biden.

But the establishment has been against Bernie the whole time, seeing him as too far left.