Poll of the Day > Someone made a lootbox sim for Diablo Immortal

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Ozmose
07/08/22 1:46:40 AM
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You need six 5/5 gems to max your loadout . . . technically. I guess from there you can rank each gem 10 times with duplicates. Only cost me $17,175 imaginary dollars to get my first six gems. I'm sooo lucky!

https://dimi777.github.io/diablo-rift-simulator/

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streamofthesky
07/08/22 1:26:29 PM
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Only took me 1210 gems and a bit over $3K to get my 5/5 gem. What a bargain? ...You need 6? Holy shit...
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DrPrimemaster
07/08/22 1:54:36 PM
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22725 so far to get 4

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Lokarin
07/08/22 1:55:30 PM
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You can beat the game without paying anything, just get better

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SoreChasm
07/08/22 1:57:35 PM
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Lokarin posted...
You can beat the game without paying anything, just get better
lok stop

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Lokarin
07/08/22 1:59:57 PM
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SoreChasm posted...
lok stop

Am I wrong? I mean... I haven't played the game, and I'm presuming it's free upfront so if there's an initial cost I wasn't counting that.

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SoreChasm
07/08/22 2:08:55 PM
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You're defending predatory monetization in games, lok. Stop.

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adjl
07/08/22 2:09:44 PM
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Lokarin posted...
You can beat the game without paying anything, just get better

If you're playing ARPG's just to beat them, you're kind of doing it wrong.

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Lokarin
07/08/22 2:37:30 PM
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SoreChasm posted...
You're defending predatory monetization in games, lok. Stop.

No... I'm defending playing for free and not paying anything ever

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VampireCoyote
07/08/22 2:40:56 PM
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Lokarin posted...
No... I'm defending playing for free and not paying anything ever

you have to agree with the hive though and hate thing

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Rotpar
07/08/22 2:41:26 PM
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Yeah, you can play a hobbled version of a shitty game for free. If you want to achieve anything you're pushed into paying.

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adjl
07/08/22 2:41:52 PM
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Lokarin posted...
No... I'm defending playing for free and not paying anything ever

Which is a fine strategy for personally avoiding problems, but doesn't change that these practices routinely manipulate people into spending more money than they want to/can and are specifically designed to prey on those with addiction and impulse control issues (for whom "just don't buy anything" is about as useful advice as telling a paraplegic to try walking).

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VampireCoyote
07/08/22 2:44:54 PM
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Rotpar posted...
Yeah, you can play a hobbled version of a shitty game for free. If you want to achieve anything you're pushed into paying.

if you spend a bunch of money on a freemium mobile game, youve achieved less than nothing

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SoreChasm
07/08/22 2:50:46 PM
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VampireCoyote posted...
you have to agree with the hive though and hate thing
Of all the things to defend, you're choosing Blizzard?

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SoreChasm
07/08/22 2:52:58 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

*she

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SoreChasm
07/08/22 2:57:03 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Let's make sure she's okay with it, though.

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

I guess "thing" could be referring to the whole free to play aspect of Diablo Immortal, but I took it as Mead defending Immortal (and Blizzard) in general.

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VampireCoyote
07/08/22 2:57:14 PM
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SoreChasm posted...
Of all the things to defend, you're choosing Blizzard?

indifference is my right and its beyond obnoxious the number of posts and headlines of people pissing and moaning about this game

everyone knows what it is, knew it before it was released and nobody is surprised

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SoreChasm
07/08/22 2:57:59 PM
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Well, there we go.

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

I have not, no. Could you direct me toward them?

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adjl
07/08/22 3:09:41 PM
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VampireCoyote posted...
indifference is my right and its beyond obnoxious the number of posts and headlines of people pissing and moaning about this game

It's not beating a dead horse if the horse is still very much alive and conning obscene amounts of money out of people. People should continue to complain until the problem is fixed, not criticize others for complaining because they're tired of hearing it. Attacking those that are attacking the problem defends corporations who do not in any way deserve your defence and only serves to normalize this nonsense.

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streamofthesky
07/08/22 3:42:49 PM
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VampireCoyote posted...
indifference is my right and its beyond obnoxious the number of posts and headlines of people pissing and moaning about this game

everyone knows what it is, knew it before it was released and nobody is surprised

First of all, there are people who DON'T know (weren't you one of them? when you first posted you were playing it and were unaware of the monetization involved) or who have gambling or other addiction issues that make them vulnerable to this massively exploitative scheme and get taken for thousands of dollars, ruining their lives. Plus the potential for kids to get suckered in and spend their parents' money (not sure what age rating Diablo Immoral has; there was a big story about this happening w/ a Fifa Soccer game rated E, though).

Second of all, "yeah, we know they're evil. so what? stop complaining about it" is a horrible attitude to have.

Acti-Blizz is one of the most evil companies on earth, this game's monetization should not be legal (and is not in Belgium, if only other countries looked out for their own people, too), and too fucking bad if the rest of us calling them out is "obnoxious" to you.
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Lokarin
07/08/22 3:43:47 PM
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if only they made GameShark for mobile... then you can just edit in some gems

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SoreChasm
07/08/22 3:45:29 PM
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Lokarin posted...
if only they made GameShark for mobile... then you can just edit in some gems
Nah, people should just get better at the game.

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Lokarin
07/08/22 3:46:19 PM
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SoreChasm posted...
Nah, people should just get better at the game.

that, too. it's a diablo... you can do them without getting hit at all in the first 3 so IDK about Immortal

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VampireCoyote
07/08/22 3:53:53 PM
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streamofthesky posted...
First of all, there are people who DON'T know (weren't you one of them? when you first posted you were playing it and were unaware of the monetization involved) or who have gambling or other addiction issues that make them vulnerable to this massively exploitative scheme and get taken for thousands of dollars, ruining their lives. Plus the potential for kids to get suckered in and spend their parents' money (not sure what age rating Diablo Immoral has; there was a big story about this happening w/ a Fifa Soccer game rated E, though).

Second of all, "yeah, we know they're evil. so what? stop complaining about it" is a horrible attitude to have.

I played the game for a few hours but that doesnt mean I was ignorant that it was gonna be monetized to hell

if you think every other major company or corporation isnt just as evil(lol) then you really havent been paying attention

all this complaining and all these gaming news articles about how the game that everyone expected to be over-monetized is GASP! overly monetized, is literally free advertising for the game

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SoreChasm
07/08/22 3:58:55 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Hold up now, Zang. I stopped deflecting and answered your question. Now could you answer this question I asked you:

SoreChasm posted...
Could you direct me toward them?

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VampireCoyote
07/08/22 4:01:49 PM
#31:


Why do you need to see them

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SoreChasm
07/08/22 4:02:35 PM
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Because I want to.

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VampireCoyote
07/08/22 4:04:46 PM
#33:


SoreChasm posted...
Because I want to.

welp youre weeks late

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SoreChasm
07/08/22 4:05:59 PM
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I'm sure Zang will pull through somehow.

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adjl
07/08/22 5:26:07 PM
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VampireCoyote posted...
evil(lol)

Do you not think exploiting children and mentally ill people for money is evil? And that's even without considering the whole rampant sexual abuse thing, since last I checked, driving employees to suicide is pretty bad.

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VampireCoyote
07/08/22 5:29:19 PM
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adjl posted...
Do you not think exploiting children and mentally ill people for money is evil? And that's even without considering the whole rampant sexual abuse thing, since last I checked, driving employees to suicide is pretty bad.

every big company does that stuff

the fundamentals of capitalism are predatory

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adjl
07/08/22 6:54:17 PM
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VampireCoyote posted...
every big company does that stuff

the fundamentals of capitalism are predatory

If anything, that's cause to draw attention to more examples, not fewer.

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Ozmose
07/08/22 10:01:28 PM
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SoreChasm posted...
Nah, people should just get better at the game.
From what I can tell, it's actually physically impossible to get anything above a 2* gem in the game without spending money. If it was just campaign based it wouldn't be a big deal, but PvP is a big aspect of the game. There's a bunch of videos out there of people maxing out their characters as far as they can, then jumping in a PvP lobby and their entire team getting wiped by a whale in under a minute.

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SoreChasm
07/08/22 10:04:35 PM
#39:


Ozmose posted...
From what I can tell, it's actually physically impossible to get anything above a 2* gem in the game without spending money. If it was just campaign based it wouldn't be a big deal, but PvP is a big aspect of the game. There's a bunch of videos out there of people maxing out their characters as far as they can, then jumping in a PvP lobby and their entire team getting wiped by a whale in under a minute.
@Lokarin

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Lokarin
07/08/22 10:08:34 PM
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SoreChasm posted...
@Lokarin

but did they beat the game?

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adjl
07/08/22 10:12:17 PM
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Lokarin posted...
but did they beat the game?

Not by the metrics they were using.

Ozmose posted...
From what I can tell, it's actually physically impossible to get anything above a 2* gem in the game without spending money.

Not quite, by my understanding, but it might as well be. The drop off in odds between 2* and 3* is like three orders of magnitude, and it only gets worse from there.

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SoreChasm
07/08/22 10:12:29 PM
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I guess that depends on whether they consider having PvP-viable characters a part of "beating" the game.

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VampireCoyote
07/08/22 10:14:16 PM
#43:


adjl posted...
If anything, that's cause to draw attention to more examples, not fewer.

but its only a few companies that people complain about

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adjl
07/08/22 10:15:26 PM
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VampireCoyote posted...
but its only a few companies that people complain about

Sounds like you've got more shenanigans you could call attention to.

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VampireCoyote
07/08/22 10:16:09 PM
#45:


adjl posted...
Sounds like you've got more shenanigans you could call attention to.

what

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Lokarin
07/08/22 10:16:46 PM
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SoreChasm posted...
I guess that depends on whether they consider having PvP-viable characters a part of "beating" the game.

usually I mean beating the final boss... on the normal difficulty (if applicable, diablo games usually have 3 difficulties, but they did patch diablo 3 a bunch)

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adjl
07/08/22 10:35:06 PM
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VampireCoyote posted...
what

It sounds like the actual problem is that other companies doing comparably bad things are getting a free pass, not that the handful in question are getting the negative attention. Leave the whataboutism to Zeus.

Lokarin posted...
usually I mean beating the final boss... on the normal difficulty (if applicable, diablo games usually have 3 difficulties, but they did patch diablo 3 a bunch)

In ARPG's that's a very tiny fraction of the game, such that "you can do that without paying" is basically useless as an assessment free players' ability to enjoy the game.

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VampireCoyote
07/08/22 10:42:13 PM
#48:


adjl posted...
It sounds like the actual problem is that other companies doing comparably bad things are getting a free pass, not that the handful in question are getting the negative attention. Leave the whataboutism to Zeus.

you have attacked my freedom of speech


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Lokarin
07/08/22 11:51:08 PM
#49:


adjl posted...


In ARPG's that's a very tiny fraction of the game

I tend to think of games in terms of speedruns... what is the speedrunable goal, and that's USUALLY the default difficulty final boss

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adjl
07/09/22 11:20:44 AM
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Lokarin posted...
I tend to think of games in terms of speedruns... what is the speedrunable goal, and that's USUALLY the default difficulty final boss

Most people don't speed run games, though, so that's not a universally applicable metric. Even then, speed run goals are largely arbitrary. The final boss is often an easy one that many people can agree on, but then you get things like Nipple% in Mario Odyssey, and surely you wouldn't be okay with Nintendo paywalling everything after that point.

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