Poll of the Day > Another Day, Another Mass Shooting...(Day...eh, I lost count)

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/police-respond-july-4-parade-161820151.html

6 Dead so far...

Weve tried nothing and were all out of ideas!

I don't think it's safe to gather in large groups anymore. Especially in the states but Canada too.

The introverts win again?

How festive

Republicans couldn't wait to push protections for Supreme Court justices through after Kavanagh was threatened, but lowly commoners actually dying every damn day to gun violence and... nothing

Far-Queue posted...

Republicans couldn't wait to push protections for Supreme Court justices through after Kavanagh was threatened, but lowly commoners actually dying every damn day to gun violence and... nothing

Of course, if something happened to Kavanagh then Biden would get to appoint his replacement.

The numbers are probably there for every living American citizen to Six Degrees their way to a mass shooting victim

When women's bodies are regulated more heavily than guns

In the US 1.6 mass shootings happen every day

rjsilverthorn posted...

Of course, if something happened to Kavanagh then Biden would get to appoint his replacement.

The SC really needs term limits and a less easily-abused system. As it stands now, the only way to fix what Trump did is to murder half of the court and have Biden do what Trump did, which in turn will leave the right with no recourse but to murder half the court and do the same thing again. That's just not a good system.

Alternatively, they could just stop being horrible enough to justify murder as a means of solving the imbalance, but apparently they struggle with that.

Theyre still looking for the shooter

Republicans love this way of celebrating America, mass shootings are the only American value they support.

I wish someone could run the numbers/analytics and tell me what my % of being hit by a bullet today is compared to 20 years ago

Yay, we can play the game where I post actual data and everyone ignores and/or denies it!

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/mass-shootings-by-country

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/theres-a-new-global-ranking-of-gun-deaths-heres-where-the-u-s-stands

teddy241 posted...

I wish someone could run the numbers/analytics and tell me what my % of being hit by a bullet today is compared to 20 years ago

Higher because 20 years ago you were probably smaller and moved faster

Ozmose posted...

Yay, we can play the game where I post actual data and everyone ignores and/or denies it!

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/mass-shootings-by-country

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/theres-a-new-global-ranking-of-gun-deaths-heres-where-the-u-s-stands

Uh... It titles it "mass shootings by country" but then the data is death per million or something... I'm really not sure what your link is trying to do, but given that a country with 1% of the population the US has is at the top and your own personal posting history here I suspect it's disingenuous twisting of data.

BlackScythe0 posted...

Uh... It titles it "mass shootings by country" but then the data is death per million or something... I'm really not sure what your link is trying to do, but given that a country with 1% of the population the US has is at the top and your own personal posting history here I suspect it's disingenuous twisting of data.

So what you're saying is, you didn't read it . . .

Ozmose posted...

So what you're saying is, you didn't read it . . .

Is that what you want?

In a widely publicized study originally released in 2015, the pro-gun nonprofit Crime Prevention Research Center (CPRC)

Well my assumption seems right so far.

For example, Norways world-leading annual rate was due to a single devastating 2011 event, in which far-right extremist Anders Behring Breivik gunned down 69 people at a summer camp on the island of Utya. Norway had zero mass shootings in 2009, 2010, 2012, 2013, 2014, and 2015.

Well I'm still right.

ypical (Median) Annual Death Rate per Million People from Mass Public Shootings (U.S., Canada, and Europe, 2009-2015):

1. United States 0.058
2. Albania 0
3. Austria 0
4. Belgium 0
5. Czech Republic 0
6. Finland 0
7. France 0
8. Germany 0
9. Italy 0
10. Macedonia 0
11. Netherlands 0
12. Norway 0
13. Russia 0
14. Serbia 0
15. Slovakia 0
16. Switzerland 0
17. United Kingdom 0

Using the median analysis, the United States is the only country examined that shows a propensity for mass shootings. The data itself supports this interpretation, as the United States endured mass shooting events all seven years, but the other countries all experienced mass shootings during only one or two years. Thus, in a typical year, most countries experience zero mass shooting deaths, while the US experiences at least a few.

Ok my bad I didn't go to the end, I guess you were promoting that we have a major problem with mass shootings.

he self owned himself lmao

anyways, they got the shooter

he's still alive, in case you were wondering what his skin color was

BlackScythe0 posted...

Ok my bad I didn't go to the end, I guess you were promoting that we have a major problem with mass shootings.

This might legitimately be the first time I've seen someone admit they were wrong on the internet...

BlackScythe0 posted...

Ok my bad I didn't go to the end, I guess you were promoting that we have a major problem with mass shootings.

We do, but we're not the worst. Just felt like ignoring all the other data again?

Like this? BTW guns are highly restricted in Brazil, and the percentage of suicides in their total is much lower than ours.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/1/8/AAMabeAADalW.png

Oops, you missed this one too.

Average (Mean) Annual Death Rate per Million People from Mass Public Shootings (U.S., Canada, and Europe, 2009-2015):

1. Norway 1.888
2. Serbia 0.381
3. France 0.347
4. Macedonia 0.337
5. Albania 0.206
6. Slovakia 0.185
7. Switzerland 0.142
8. Finland 0.132
9. Belgium 0.128
10. Czech Republic 0.123
11. United States 0.089

Adam_Savage posted...

he self owned himself lmao

You can feel free to go through the data and cherry pick it too, just like BlackScythe0.

Ozmose posted...

Oops, you missed this one too.

No I didn't miss it, I literally copy pasted the part of your own article that refutes the bad data you're attempting to push.

As for the rest, I think everyone knows drug cartels are an issue across much of south and central america...

Hope the Supreme court does something about this

BlackScythe0 posted...

No I didn't miss it, I literally copy pasted the part of your own article that refutes the bad data you're attempting to push.

As for the rest, I think everyone knows drug cartels are an issue across much of south and central america...

That's the difference between us. I acknowledge all of it as simply data. I'm not trying to say any of it is good or bad. It just . . . is. You want to pick and choose what bolsters your narrative.

Ozmose posted...

That's the difference between us. I acknowledge all of it as simply data. I'm not trying to say any of it is good or bad. It just . . . is. You want to pick and choose what bolsters your narrative.

You're literally the one who is using data to suggest things that aren't true.

Zeus what is the population of Norway, and what is the population of the United States. If you knew how to read data you'd know that you're not even close to making the point you think you're making.

SinisterSlay posted...

Higher because 20 years ago you were probably smaller and moved faster

Damn. Lol

sad

The parade should have just shot back.

Adam_Savage posted...

anyways, they got the shooter

he's still alive, in case you were wondering what his skin color was

Oof

https://whyy.org/articles/officials-2-officers-shot-during-fourth-of-july-festivities-along-the-ben-franklin-parkway/

Americans are losing their minds. This country is burning down

It's more proof that people are evil.

asshole is a trump supporter
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/6/9/AAfSRzAADapR.jpg

fishy071 posted...

It

Are you referring to the shootings or the American government's collective desire to stand aside and allow them to continue?

xcrimx posted...

Hope the Supreme court does something about this

they did... body armour is illegal

Ozmose posted...

That's the difference between us. I acknowledge all of it as simply data. I'm not trying to say any of it is good or bad. It just . . . is.

If you're not trying to evaluate the validity of your data or it's usefulness in the context in question, you shouldn't try to draw any conclusions from it, nor share it in any context other than "I don't fully understand this data, can somebody help me figure it out?" Data that is not valid or relevant should indeed be considered bad.

What you're calling "cherry-picking" is actually an essential step for analyzing any stats like these: considering the structure of the data to determine which measure of central tendency (average) best represents it. Median is considered to be a "resistant" measure, which means that outliers are less likely to influence it. Mean, on the other hand, is considered to be non-resistant because outliers will influence it.

To put this into practice, consider what would happen to the comparison between Norway and the US if the sample period were extended to 2022: Norway has seen no mass shootings in that time frame, so its mean will decrease to about 0.87, while its median will remain 0. The US, however, has seen plenty of shootings in that time frame (if anything, my rough sense is that it's increasing, but that's not a data-based impression and I welcome empirical correction as appropriate), so while I lack actual statistics to calculate the change, I expect it will remain roughly the same, as will its median, and Norway will be looking better by comparison.

Now, this isn't necessarily enough to draw broader conclusions about trends. That sample size is really too small to accommodate the population difference between the US and the other countries listed, given how relatively rare mass shootings are. Obviously, it's not really feasible to look at 100 years, given the limited availability of older data (plus I remember hearing about a few incidents in the 40's that resulted in a lot of European gun deaths) and the fact that the US' mass shooting epidemic is a relatively recent cultural phenomenon, so it's inevitable that you'll run into some sampling error for countries with 1/100th of the US' population, but that comparison would still greatly benefit from expanding the scope. As it stands, the data suggests that the US is - as The Onion keeps reminding us - the only country where this happens on a regular basis, but a trend (possibly even a worse trend) could be identified elsewhere with a larger data set.

Ozmose posted...

Like this? BTW guns are highly restricted in Brazil, and the percentage of suicides in their total is much lower than ours.

When the rest of the top 5 consists of countries that are experiencing considerable political instability and/or drug cartel problems, and the US is still #2, you should really be questioning whether or not those stats make the point you want.

As it happens, the suicide angle is one of the greatest potential benefits of gun control. Mandatory waiting periods for gun purchases reduce firearm suicide rates pretty substantially, in turn helping overall suicide rates because the suicidal people either attempt suicide using a less reliable method or take advantage of the delay to get the help they need. So... yeah. Most of the US' gun deaths being self-inflicted is not an argument against control measures.

tl;dr: he self owned himself again

Zangulus posted...

Wait, is that Zeus defending constant mass shootings?

No. He's been around for ages. Zeus also has a more distinct posting style.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/here-s-what-we-know-about-the-highland-park-mass-shooting-suspect-so-far/ar-AAZclPC

Apparently he was a Youtube Rapper and his Dad a Possible Trump Supporter...

#MAGAAlert

not possible trump supporter, they both are confirmed trumpians

Blue hair dye.

Adam_Savage posted...

not possible trump supporter, they both are confirmed trumpians

https://heavy.com/news/robert-crimo-iii/

Yep he seems to hold Trumpster beliefs.